Mosque going up in NYC building

[Sir Bandelot]

Would make a great skit, on a show like Saturday Night Live...

"Hey, Muadib, any white folks in the store?"

"No, Habib."

"Alright then, Allahu Akbar!" (Burns poster of wtc).

A white couple walks in... Habib quickly throws down the poster and stomps it out. Then turns to couple and politley asks, "Yes, how can I help you?"

Yeah, they could have a lot of fun with that one.

Edited May 31, 2010 by Sir Bandelot

[Machjo]

Yes indeed. Likewise let there be no muslim shops. No muslim businesses, no residence. a special squad should be formed out of loyal patriots who will inspect the ID of people who are walking around in the streets.

Sounds like Kristallnacht all over again.

Because, there's a chance that some of them could be muslims... and even if they are moderate muslims, not all muslims are moderate, so some who might go into a corner store where muslims work might get together and celebrate when no white people are around...

God forbid. Or some of them might even adopt Islam. I can hear the stomping of boots already.

[Machjo]

... when no white people are around...

Just a correction: some Muslims are very white:

She'd have no issue at an airport now, would she?

[Machjo]

It's interesting that she mentions she's afraid of wearing the veil out of fear of others' reactions.

[lictor616]

I'm against your vision of Western Civilization that you have already tipped us off as being white and Christian. Just as I don't judge everyone professing to be a Christian by what Tim McVeigh did to the Oklahoma City Federal Building, I likewise don't judge every Muslim by Al Qaeda....especially after how much I have learned over the intervening years about how several U.S. administrations have supported the development of Islamists movements as allies against Communism. Sometimes the Frankenstein monster comes back to bite you in the ass!

Now, the trick is to keep the bridges open to the majority of Muslims who don't believe this is a zero sum game, and realize that they have to find ways of living in harmony with the rest of the world that does not share their beliefs. As in Christendom, there are those who want a winner-take-all solution to the so called 'Clash of Civilizations' and those who realize we are all losers if resources continue to be spent on war-making rather than finding solutions to big problems that affect everyone on the planet.

The McVeigh 9/11 analogy is a bit problematic... its fair to say that most people judge white nationalists in the states according to McVeigh (every time he is mentioned in the news, you don`t have to wait long before every anti-immigration, pro-gun ownership types are painted with the same brush).

The second problem with your analogy is that McVeigh actually did what he did for reasons- that many liberals use in defense of muslims: he did it because he wanted to inflict to the US government what IT inflicts on others.

Doesn't that echo what Jeremiah Wright (obizzle's best bud and mentor) said about "america's chickens coming home to roost"

Asked by the judge if he had anything to say, McVeigh quoted from a 1928 dissenting opinion by Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis: "'Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example.' That's all I have." ... government teaches by example... interesting

The problem with your beatific vision is that most muslims do not at all believe in peaceable solutions, theyre not so stupid in fact- If you read the Quran, many utterances and blood oaths to kill infidels are made. They are intractable and hostile when they live in our Western Nations, and the ones who aren't are merely appearing nice as a ploy to fool our own liberal shysters and fools- of course there are exceptions (which you conveniently focus on and take as the norm)

The only rational sane and sober solution is SEPARATION AND NON-INTERVENTION: but with the Israel lobby and leftist NWO meddlers that dominate our governments... that's wont be likely. We will be plunged into another war for israel (Iran potentially)

The global arena is a zero sum game: because as you even conceded: resources are limited... by sharing them they do not INCREASE... as should obvious to anyone with half a brain. You don't get more by cooperating- and states will pursue their interests in an anarchic world: which is based in relative gains vis a vis others.

So here we are: Shabbas Goyim for the slaughter.

[bloodyminded]

The McVeigh 9/11 analogy is a bit problematic... its fair to say that most people judge white nationalists in the states according to McVeigh (every time he is mentioned in the news, you don`t have to wait long before every anti-immigration, pro-gun ownership types are painted with the same brush).

"White nationalists," huh?

Awesome.

The problem with your beatific vision is that most muslims do not at all believe in peaceable solutions, theyre not so stupid in fact- If you read the Quran, many utterances and blood oaths to kill infidels are made.

And the Judeo-Christian God orders his warrior subjects to go out and collect a shitload of foreskins from the enemy; and they obey.

They are intractable and hostile when they live in our Western Nations, and the ones who aren't are merely appearing nice as a ploy to fool our own liberal shysters and fools- of course there are exceptions (which you conveniently focus on and take as the norm)

What you call the exceptions ARE in fact the norm.

The only rational sane and sober solution is SEPARATION AND NON-INTERVENTION: but with the Israel lobby and leftist NWO meddlers that dominate our governments... that's wont be likely. We will be plunged into another war for israel (Iran potentially)

The US will not habitually go against its own perceived interests. That's absurd.

The sectors of the Left and the Right who make the claim that Israel (through the lobby, or otherwise) dominates the US government are mistaken. There IS a Boss-Man in the US-Israeli relationship--and it is the U.S.

[Guest American Woman]

I found this interesting as it's a view from a former Muslim: link

A proposal to build a mosque just two blocks from ground zero is “indecent,” said a former Muslim and bestselling author.

“I couldn’t believe that this is really true,” wrote Sabatina James to The Christian Post in an e-mail. “Building the mosque where thousands of people died because of Islamic terror is just indecent.”

James, whose book My Fight for Faith and Freedom is a bestseller in Germany, is currently living under police protection in Germany because of death threats against her for converting to Christianity. She said her German friends were shocked when they heard that a mosque might be built near the site of the 9/11 terror attacks.

[lictor616]

What you call the exceptions ARE in fact the norm.

In countries that take racial stats and polls (Britain for instance) It is consistently reported that between 40 to 60% of muslims want shariah law in Britain... remeber what I said about being intractable and unassimilable?

Out of students (that's right, young, mtv generation so called "naturalized" immigrants) 40 percent of Muslim students in the United Kingdom support the introduction of Sharia law and 33% support the imposition of an Islamic Sharia-based government worldwide,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

How's that for the peaceable, non intrusive muslim image, dressed in western clothes and smiling politely... still think its genuine?

and even where the muslims themsleves live: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/international-poll-muslims-support-strict-sharia-islamic-supremacism.html still MORE sharia is in demand.

What's more is that the PC media (with typical hypocrisy) didn't even raise a big stink about the potential danger of having these people over for other canadian minorities

our sacrosanct gay's for instance...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

Edited May 31, 2010 by lictor616

[lictor616]

The US will not habitually go against its own perceived interests. That's absurd.

The sectors of the Left and the Right who make the claim that Israel (through the lobby, or otherwise) dominates the US government are mistaken. There IS a Boss-Man in the US-Israeli relationship--and it is the U.S.

what? a moment ago I heard you railing about the vast squander and loss of wealth resulting form america's presence in Afghanistan and Iraq!

How does America benefit from its current ties with israel... They lose 30 billion a year in aid, break the geneva convention by supporting this mediocrity of a state, made the whole region dangerous by giving Israel stockpiles of high yeild 1 to 35 kiloton ICBM's, enormous stockpiles of the internationally banned VX gas, Sarin, Anthrx and numerous other chemical and biological weapons, they incur the hatred of the billion strong muslim world...

and in turn Israel has the largest sex slave operation in the world (with tens of thousands of Ukrainian, Russian and Western European girls being subject to unspeakable rape and humiliation by jews)- and nothing is done in Israel because... guess what .. GOYIM ARE NOT CONSIDERED HUMAN AND HENCE aren't afforded protection under law.

And then you factor treasonous incidents such as the cowardly attack of the USS liberty in an attempt to sink it and bring america into a war against egypt and the rest of the middle east and levant states,

so tell me, what possible benefits are they getting from this relationship?

[Jack Weber]

what? a moment ago I heard you railing about the vast squander and loss of wealth resulting form america's presence in Afghanistan and Iraq!

How does America benefit from its current ties with israel... They lose 30 billion a year in aid, break the geneva convention by supporting this mediocrity of a state, made the whole region dangerous by giving Israel stockpiles of high yeild 1 to 35 kiloton ICBM's, enormous stockpiles of the internationally banned VX gas, Sarin, Anthrx and numerous other chemical and biological weapons, they incur the hatred of the billion strong muslim world...

and in turn Israel has the largest sex slave operation in the world (with tens of thousands of Ukrainian, Russian and Western European girls being subject to unspeakable rape and humiliation by jews)- and nothing is done in Israel because... guess what .. GOYIM ARE NOT CONSIDERED HUMAN AND HENCE aren't afforded protection under law.

And then you factor treasonous incidents such as the cowardly attack of the USS liberty in an attempt to sink it and bring america into a war against egypt and the rest of the middle east and levant states,

so tell me, what possible benefits are they getting from this relationship?

Let's say all that's true...

What's the better option in the region?

Please be specific...

[lictor616]

Let's say all that's true...

What's the better option in the region?

Please be specific...

You dodged my pretty honest question there: WHAT BENEFITS DO WE HAVE BY HAVING THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL?

what better option do we have? Any as far as i'm concerned: here's a 2 dollar solution: cut off all aid, cut off all ties, apply the nuclear weapons bans treaties (remove nuclear and chemical stockpiles), hold Israel to the same standards of conduct as any other nation, and then go about ending the sex slave trade there... then leave them to their own devices... and stay out of the middle east... we should only be meant to purchase oil form that region... we shouldnt be exchanging citizens or meddle in their affairs... just as they shouldn't meddle in ours.

hows that?

[Jack Weber]

You dodged my pretty honest question there: WHAT BENEFITS DO WE HAVE BY HAVING THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL?

what better option do we have? Any as far as i'm concerned: here's a 2 dollar solution: cut off all aid, cut off all ties, apply the nuclear weapons bans treaties (remove nuclear and chemical stockpiles), hold Israel to the same standards of conduct as any other nation, and then go about ending the sex slave trade there... then leave them to their own devices... and stay out of the middle east... we should only be meant to purchase oil form that region... we shouldnt be exchanging citizens or meddle in their affairs... just as they shouldn't meddle in ours.

hows that?

And how would your version of the Middle East look like...say...5 to 10 years after all these momentous things took place...Hypothetically speaking?

[bush_cheney2004]

You dodged my pretty honest question there: WHAT BENEFITS DO WE HAVE BY HAVING THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL?

What relationship does Canada have with Israel?

what better option do we have? Any as far as i'm concerned: here's a 2 dollar solution: cut off all aid, cut off all ties, apply the nuclear weapons bans treaties (remove nuclear and chemical stockpiles), hold Israel to the same standards of conduct as any other nation, and then go about ending the sex slave trade there... then leave them to their own devices... and stay out of the middle east... we should only be meant to purchase oil form that region... we shouldnt be exchanging citizens or meddle in their affairs... just as they shouldn't meddle in ours.

You and what army? Good luck with that Canada...a fading middle power with magic diplomacy mojo long gone.

[lictor616]

And how would your version of the Middle East look like...say...5 to 10 years after all these momentous things took place...Hypothetically speaking?

hypothetically speaking, as long as it doesn't affect westerners in their homelands... what reason do we have to even care. not our backyard ...

[lictor616]

What relationship does Canada have with Israel?

You and what army? Good luck with that Canada...a fading middle power with magic diplomacy mojo long gone.

canada has a similar one sided relationship and suffers from its relationship with israel. Its image as a human right respecter and upholder is certainly damaged by this, and we get to pay billion in aid for it... and receive NOTHING in return... since Israel is a dependency, a beggar state that filches dimes off of western tax payers (whom they religiously hate as profane goyim)... and how right they are to look at us with utter contempt.

Me and what army.. why Israel uses the US army to do its bidding all the time... maybe we could give it a try... oh right! we don't own the media and key positions in the gov and we don't have an AIPAC... tsk tsk... we'll get it right some day! And then the US will OUR little peon, not Israels!

Yes canada is indeed a fading power, as is the US, i wasn,t arguing that point.

Edited June 1, 2010 by lictor616

[Bonam]

Joy, our resident Jew-hater is back.

[bush_cheney2004]

canada has a similar one sided relationship and suffers from its relationship with israel.

Canada has no primary role in the Middle East save for the citizens of convenience who need evacuation from time to time. It is a minor player with little influence over the principal nations involved.

Yes canada is indeed a fading power, as is the US, i wasn,t arguing that point.

Canada can't/won't do anything contrary to American policy, at best/worst staying on the sidelines as was the case in Iraq. Handwringing by Canadians is just chum for the next university protest in Toronto and little more.

[lictor616]

Canada has no primary role in the Middle East save for the citizens of convenience who need evacuation from time to time. It is a minor player with little influence over the principal nations involved.

we were talking about the RELATIONSHIP that we have with Israel... which again is similar to that of the US: being one sided: many casha and benefits flow to israel, and we get crapped on in exchange...

yes canada has a minor role... despite a few ships stationned in Iraq and some troops in "the Ghan"... it isn't a major presence, well done bush_cheney!

[lictor616]

Canada can't/won't do anything contrary to American policy, at best/worst staying on the sidelines as was the case in Iraq. Handwringing by Canadians is just chum for the next university protest in Toronto and little more.

do you have reading comprehension problems?

I never disputed any of these points... I never brought them up! lol

[lictor616]

Joy, our resident Jew-hater is back.

tee-hee! dja miss me!?

no, I kid though, I do not hate the Jews, in fact I admire them enormously.

[Bonam]

tee-hee! dja miss me!?

no, I kid though, I do not hate the Jews, in fact I admire them enormously.

I'm sure...

they religiously hate as profane goyim

[bush_cheney2004]

we were talking about the RELATIONSHIP that we have with Israel... which again is similar to that of the US: being one sided: many casha and benefits flow to israel, and we get crapped on in exchange...

Any similarities in "relationship" are superficial at best...the United States has far more billions, blood, and guts invested in the relationship...Canada has none of these.

yes canada has a minor role... despite a few ships stationned in Iraq and some troops in "the Ghan"... it isn't a major presence, well done bush_cheney!

Canada can pretend all it wants about running with the big boys in this region.

[Michael Hardner]

Joy, our resident Jew-hater is back.

Yes, and as I recall when he left there were a bunch of dead-end threads and links that he didn't provide. The board was a lot better while he was gone, but I'm not sure if that's correlation or causation.

[Jack Weber]

Yes, and as I recall when he left there were a bunch of dead-end threads and links that he didn't provide. The board was a lot better while he was gone, but I'm not sure if that's correlation or causation.

We know how to deal with this,don't we?

[lictor616]

Any similarities in "relationship" are superficial at best...the United States has far more billions, blood, and guts invested in the relationship...Canada has none of these.

wow want a medal? "we americans waste FAR more resources then you in aiding the gangster state of israel... we win" and we don't even flinch when they try to sink our ships as surely as they did when they attacked the USS liberty.

in proportion to our GDP and population, its pretty similar. btw...