Mosque going up in NYC building

[DogOnPorch]

Are you painting all Catholic Priests as pedophiles?

Did I say that? No...but you thought it for me...proving my point re: stereotypre.

Thanks.

[GostHacked]

Did I say that? No...but you thought it for me...proving my point re: stereotypre.

Thanks.

No, I did not help you prove your point. Seems like you are learning from BC on how to troll, good attempt though.

View PostDogOnPorch, on 27 May 2010 - 10:58 AM, said:

Dropping the kids off with the local RC priest anytime soon? Oh? Why not?

Seems like you were thinking about it before you made the post.

[DogOnPorch]

No, I did not help you prove your point. Seems like you are learning from BC on how to troll, good attempt though.

lol...you sure did.

Seems like you were thinking about it before you made the post.

Of course I was...and you fell for it...lol.

[DogOnPorch]

Former NYC Muslim outreach project...

...unlike the new guys...the fellows sending aid to Iran stated right out front they sought to strike a blow against the Great Satan...oh wait...no they didn't. They made the same claims as the new guys.

Edited May 27, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[Sir Bandelot]

Good thing I remembered to wear my rubber boots today.

[DogOnPorch]

Good thing I remembered to wear my rubber boots today.

So the Feds didn't seize all that property for sending bucks to Iran for nukes? Interesting...

[GostHacked]

lol...you sure did.

Alright, I'll be sure to ignore your future posts in this thread.

Of course I was...and you fell for it...lol.

Have fun Dog.

[Sir Bandelot]

So the Feds didn't seize all that property for sending bucks to Iran for nukes? Interesting...

No, they didn't. Because the Feds sent in Oliver North, and called him hero.

[WIP]

That's a very good point Bubber.

We don't pain all Protestants as fanatics after something like Waco with the Branch Davidians.

We do we paint all Mormans as fanatics when we hear about the FLDS.

We don't paint all Jewish people as fanatics when we talk about Israel. (not to stir debate this is just an example)

We don't paint all Christians as fanatics when we hear about some of them blowing up abortion clinics.

We don't even paint all white people as fanatics when we hear about the now essentially marginalized Klu Klux Klan.

We do we seem to paint all muslims as terrorists when we talk about 9/11.

We here in North America have more threats from homegrown religious nuts that are here in our own country (Canada, the US)

It's a waste of time talking to these people, because they refuse to address the threat of homegrown fanaticism that is justified by Christianity. Five or six years ago, when I agreed with virtually every conservative position, it was the growth of Christian Identity and other Christian nationalist movements that started me thinking that the Christian equivalents of Al Qaeda were being spawned at home. Groups motivated by racial supremacy and extreme nationalism are quick to identify themselves as Christian and appeal to scripture for justification of their goals, so should we be surprised that the same appeals to religious justification are made on the other side.

If the anti-Muslim supporters believe all of their own rhetoric, then they also believe that Islam is inherently evil and incorrigible, and anyone connected to that religion cannot be trusted. The obvious implications are that they are advocating for total war against all Muslims. Most rational thinking people realize that is a suicidal strategy in this day and age, and that's why the fomenters of this ideology fall back to the position that they are just fighting Islamofascism. But there doesn't seem to be any Muslim who passes for "moderate" on the Neocon scale.

So, we can expect an unending cascade of every bad news story about Muslims, along with complete silence on the Christian connection to militia movements and growing Orthodox Jewish fanaticism in Israel, which makes a peaceful settlement close to impossible.

[Guest American Woman]

We do we seem to paint all muslims as terrorists when we talk about 9/11.

Who's this "we" you speak of? If you have a problem with painting all Muslims the same, or believing that others do, that's your problem.

[Guest American Woman]

ya, ya - whatever... competing links concerning the closing of a prior tenant's store.

Ya, ya - the truth vs. fiction .... "whatever," eh?

[waldo]

Ya, ya - the truth vs. fiction .... "whatever," eh?

interesting how you would presume one of the competing links... is the truth... while the other of the competing links... is fiction. Which was yours again? More pointedly, you're prepared to 'go to the mattresses' over a relative inconsequential aspect, while ignoring - absolutely ignoring - the most salient point. So... ya, ya... competing links over the inconsequential point of whether or not the former tenant closed up shop prior to or after 9/11. Meanwhile, you'll ignore the highlighted fact that the location has been used for gathered Muslim prayer services - for years. Apparently, your fervent opposition to that fact didn't come forward years back... still hasn't come forward - yet. Oh, the horror! Just 2 blocks away... Muslim prayer services in the same location as the proposed community center... the horror, the absolute insensitivity of it all!

[DogOnPorch]

No, they didn't. Because the Feds sent in Oliver North, and called him hero.

Anything else you wish to deny? The sky not being blue by chance?

[DogOnPorch]

It's a waste of time talking to these people, because they refuse to address the threat of homegrown fanaticism that is justified by Christianity. Five or six years ago, when I agreed with virtually every conservative position, it was the growth of Christian Identity and other Christian nationalist movements that started me thinking that the Christian equivalents of Al Qaeda were being spawned at home. Groups motivated by racial supremacy and extreme nationalism are quick to identify themselves as Christian and appeal to scripture for justification of their goals, so should we be surprised that the same appeals to religious justification are made on the other side.

If the anti-Muslim supporters believe all of their own rhetoric, then they also believe that Islam is inherently evil and incorrigible, and anyone connected to that religion cannot be trusted. The obvious implications are that they are advocating for total war against all Muslims. Most rational thinking people realize that is a suicidal strategy in this day and age, and that's why the fomenters of this ideology fall back to the position that they are just fighting Islamofascism. But there doesn't seem to be any Muslim who passes for "moderate" on the Neocon scale.

So, we can expect an unending cascade of every bad news story about Muslims, along with complete silence on the Christian connection to militia movements and growing Orthodox Jewish fanaticism in Israel, which makes a peaceful settlement close to impossible.

If you think I'm Christian...think again. There is no God, etc...that's right...I'm a dirty, fithy atheist.

Re: Christian terrorism: not a big worry. How many bombs in the market lately involve Christians? The IRA at least tended to phone ahead...except the one I was caught-up in...my luck. I even remember the date...March 8th, 1973.

[Guest American Woman]

interesting how you would presume one of the competing links... is the truth... while the other of the competing links... is fiction.

Considering every major media source I've read backs up my claim, yeah, I'll take it as the truth.

More pointedly, you're prepared to 'go to the mattresses' over a relative inconsequential aspect, while ignoring - absolutely ignoring - the most salient point.

What I'm prepared to do is correct someone who posts incorrect information, as you did.

So... ya, ya... competing links over the inconsequential point of whether or not the former tenant closed up shop prior to or after 9/11.

Let's see. Who was it that made the "inconsequential point" I was responding to? Oh that's right. It was you. And it's quite comical how it became "inconsequential" once you were proven wrong.

[DogOnPorch]

[GostHacked]

Who's this "we" you speak of? If you have a problem with painting all Muslims the same, or believing that others do, that's your problem.

Let me correct myself. SOME people (and a few on this board) paint all Muslims the same. It is irrelevant if I believe it or not, it's just a fact. The posts speak for themselves.

[waldo]

What I'm prepared to do is correct someone who posts incorrect information, as you did.

Let's see. Who was it that made the "inconsequential point" I was responding to? Oh that's right. It was you. And it's quite comical how it became "inconsequential" once you were proven wrong.

ya, ya - whatever... the linked website I offered was countered by your linked website... 2 competing websites. Who cares - it's an inconsequential point as to when the former tenant closed the location for business. You can presume to claim correctness over an inconsequential point, while continuing to ignore the salient point. The salient point you refuse to pick up on. Of course, you could also step up and indicate what consequence you feel the actual closing date holds in the context of this discussion... you know, put it in balance against an almost derelict site, one waiting for redevelopment for almost a decade now... one the city of NY is most anxious to resolve, to redevelop.

In any case, once more - with feeling!

interesting how you would presume one of the competing links... is the truth... while the other of the competing links... is fiction. Which was yours again?

More pointedly, you're prepared to 'go to the mattresses' over a relative inconsequential aspect,

while ignoring - absolutely ignoring - the most salient point. So... ya, ya... competing links over the inconsequential point of whether or not the former tenant closed up shop prior to or after 9/11. Meanwhile, you'll ignore the highlighted fact that the location has been used for gathered Muslim prayer services - for years. Apparently, your fervent opposition to that fact didn't come forward years back... still hasn't come forward - yet. Oh, the horror! Just 2 blocks away... Muslim prayer services in the same location as the proposed community center... the horror, the absolute insensitivity of it all!

will you continue to ignore it... oh my, where was your prior righteous indignation over the location being used as a site for gathered Muslim prayer service - for years! Can one say your righteous indignation is somewhat selective... somewhat self-serving - ya think?

[Shady]

That's a very good point Bubber.

We don't pain all Protestants as fanatics after something like Waco with the Branch Davidians.

We do we paint all Mormans as fanatics when we hear about the FLDS.

We don't paint all Jewish people as fanatics when we talk about Israel. (not to stir debate this is just an example)

We don't paint all Christians as fanatics when we hear about some of them blowing up abortion clinics.

We don't even paint all white people as fanatics when we hear about the now essentially marginalized Klu Klux Klan.

The threats presented by radical Islam outnumber all of the threats by Protestants, Mormans, Jews, Christians, etc, combined. In fact, it's intellectually dishonest to suggest that these threats are similar, or even close to similar. We don't paint all Protestants, Mormans, Jews, Christians, etc, because incidents involving their radical elements are few and far between. If you want to keep your head in the sand, and pretend that radical Islam is no more of a problem than your other examples, be my guest. But it doesn't mean the rest of us have to ignore the facts of reality.

We do we seem to paint all muslims as terrorists when we talk about 9/11.

That's complete nonsense. In fact, we bend over backwards to make sure we utter the "but not all Muslims" every time Islamic extremism is mentioned.

[DogOnPorch]

will you continue to ignore it... oh my, where was your prior righteous indignation over the location being used as a site for gathered Muslim prayer service - for years!

That's pretty tough to do seeing the building has been boarded-up for nearly a decade.

[BubberMiley]

That's complete nonsense. In fact, we bend over backwards to make sure we utter the "but not all Muslims" every time Islamic extremism is mentioned.

But by "we" you obviously mean "other people, not me."

[Shady]

But by "we" you obviously mean "other people, not me."

Yep. I tell it like it is, unlike you and the rest of you stepford wives. Continue to walk on egg shells. All of you!

[waldo]

In any case, once more - with feeling!

interesting how you would presume one of the competing links... is the truth... while the other of the competing links... is fiction. Which was yours again?

More pointedly, you're prepared to 'go to the mattresses' over a relative inconsequential aspect,

while ignoring - absolutely ignoring - the most salient point. So... ya, ya... competing links over the inconsequential point of whether or not the former tenant closed up shop prior to or after 9/11. Meanwhile, you'll ignore the highlighted fact that the location has been used for gathered Muslim prayer services - for years. Apparently, your fervent opposition to that fact didn't come forward years back... still hasn't come forward - yet. Oh, the horror! Just 2 blocks away... Muslim prayer services in the same location as the proposed community center... the horror, the absolute insensitivity of it all!

will you continue to ignore it... oh my, where was your prior righteous indignation over the location being used as a site for gathered Muslim prayer service - for years! Can one say your righteous indignation is somewhat selective... somewhat self-serving - ya think?

That's pretty tough to do seeing the building has been boarded-up for nearly a decade.

from the previously provided New Your Times link - Worshipers exit the old Burlington Coat Factory near ground zero, which now houses a prayer space

[DogOnPorch]

Throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians, it is clear an Islamic state can be established in more than just a single form or mold. It can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of Sharia that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.

Current governments are unjust and do not follow Islamic laws.

New laws were permitted after the death of Muhammad, so long of course that these laws do not contradict the Quran or the Deeds of Muhammad...so they create institutions that assure no conflicts with Sharia

.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf

http://www.hadielislam.com/arabic/index.php

Translation from Arabic

As mentioned...Cordoba House...interesting name. But what is the goal of almost all religions? That's right...bums in the seats...or in the air on the floor in this case.

[DogOnPorch]

Ah...only boarded-up for 8 years. Touche.

(building bought July 2009)

Edited May 28, 2010 by DogOnPorch