Mosque going up in NYC building

[DogOnPorch]

will you continue to ignore it... oh my, where was your prior righteous indignation over the location being used as a site for gathered Muslim prayer service - for years!

For months!

[BubberMiley]

Yep. I tell it like it is, unlike you and the rest of you stepford wives.

You tell it like it is, even if what you tell isn't true? Tell me again how offshore drilling is the result of environmentalism.

[Shady]

You tell it like it is, even if what you tell isn't true? Tell me again how offshore drilling is the result of environmentalism.

When you tell me how 911 has nothing to do with Islam!

[GostHacked]

But by "we" you obviously mean "other people, not me."

Right with you on the lols

But Islam was responsible. All of the terrorists were Muslims. They were all from Muslim countries. The leaders that helped plan the attack were Muslims. They were also all from Muslim countries. But nope, Islam had nothing to do with it. Even indirectly.

I didn't say that all of Islam is responsible.

So what is it Shady.

[waldo]

Ah...only boarded-up for 8 years. Touche.

(building bought July 2009)

even if that were true... which you haven't confirmed... so what?

but you also ignore the salient point about it previously/currently being used as a Muslim prayer service location... even if it's for the last 10 months (only). Obviously there is a wealth of contradicting web sites out there. I have no problem relinquishing suggestion over the length; I presume you equally relinquish your claim/suggestion that it's not being used, and has never previously been used for Muslim prayer service.

as stated previously, the proposed community center is being compared to other adjacent facilities... like, "the 92 Street Y and the Jewish Community Center.

Joy Levitt, executive director of the Jewish Community Center, said the group would be proud to be a model for Imam Feisal at ground zero. “For the J.C.C. to have partners in the Muslim community that share our vision of pluralism and tolerance would be great,” she said.

"

c'mon... who could go wrong with an endorsement from the Jewish Community Center? What say you, DogOnPorch... do you not share the expressed want for a shared vision of pluralism and tolerance?

[Shady]

So what is it Shady.

It's both, in that Islam is responsible, but not the entirety of Islam.

However, I find it heartening that you progressives continue to defend the worst religion in terms of women's rights, gay rights, and fundamentalism in general. Who knows. Maybe you guys will eventually cut some slack for Christians and Jews some day?

[DogOnPorch]

even if that were true... which you haven't confirmed... so what?

but you also ignore the salient point about it previously/currently being used as a Muslim prayer service location... even if it's for the last 10 months (only). Obviously there is a wealth of contradicting web sites out there. I have no problem relinquishing suggestion over the length; I presume you equally relinquish your claim/suggestion that it's not being used, and has never previously been used for Muslim prayer service.

as stated previously, the proposed community center is being compared to other adjacent facilities... like, "the 92 Street Y and the Jewish Community Center.

Joy Levitt, executive director of the Jewish Community Center, said the group would be proud to be a model for Imam Feisal at ground zero. “For the J.C.C. to have partners in the Muslim community that share our vision of pluralism and tolerance would be great,” she said.

"

c'mon... who could go wrong with an endorsement from the Jewish Community Center? What say you, DogOnPorch... do you not share the expressed want for a shared vision of pluralism and tolerance?

Did Jews ram airliners into skyscrapers?

Re: the building purchace. From your posted article...you might wish to read it. You claimed years...in fact less than a year...once a week. So basically, these clowns are sitting aound in an empty building when one of them (or all of them...who knows) came up with the idea of building this Cordoba (capital of conquered Islamic Spain) House thing within stones-throw of the largest Islamic terror attack in the US's history. Also...the fellow says one thing in English and another thing in Arabic. I don't trust folks who speak out of both sides of their mouths.

You're free to.

[GostHacked]

It's both, in that Islam is responsible, but not the entirety of Islam.

However, I find it heartening that you progressives continue to defend the worst religion in terms of women's rights, gay rights, and fundamentalism in general. Who knows. Maybe you guys will eventually cut some slack for Christians and Jews some day?

Gay rights are still an issue here in North America and in many places around the world. Womens sufferage ended in the US in 1920, in Canada is was 1917. So 90 years is not really a long time for us in the west to become 'enlightened' if you will.

But we should be going after the fundamentalists, this I agree with you. Because it is only fundamentalists who hijack a religion to suit their 'interpretation' of it. There are different sects of Islam as well. But again, the whole religion is painted as evil and repressive.

We want to fight extremism within Islam and not Islam itself. Get rid of all the fundamentalists everywhere and you won't have as many issues. Easier said than done obviously.

[DogOnPorch]

Gay rights are still an issue here in North America and in many places around the world. Womens sufferage ended in the US in 1920, in Canada is was 1917. So 90 years is not really a long time for us in the west to become 'enlightened' if you will.

But we should be going after the fundamentalists, this I agree with you. Because it is only fundamentalists who hijack a religion to suit their 'interpretation' of it. There are different sects of Islam as well. But again, the whole religion is painted as evil and repressive.

We want to fight extremism within Islam and not Islam itself. Get rid of all the fundamentalists everywhere and you won't have as many issues. Easier said than done obviously.

Tell that to your GF.

[GostHacked]

Tell that to your GF.

So you got nothing to contribute. I get that.

And for what it's worth. I am single.

[DogOnPorch]

even if that were true... which you haven't confirmed... so what?

...to continue:

The location is not designated a mosque, but rather an overflow prayer space for another mosque, Al Farah at 245 West Broadway in TriBeCa, where Imam Feisal is the spiritual leader.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html?_r=1

Which was the initial mosque I was refering to in Tribeca.

Edited May 28, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

So you got nothing to contribute. I get that.

And for what it's worth. I am single.

No wonder you came up with a gem like that. Perhaps you'll make a good Muslim yet.

[waldo]

Did Jews ram airliners into skyscrapers?

Re: the building purchace. From your posted article...you might wish to read it. You claimed years...in fact less than a year...once a week. So basically, these clowns are sitting aound in an empty building when one of them (or all of them...who knows) came up with the idea of building this Cordoba (capital of conquered Islamic Spain) House thing within stones-throw of the largest Islamic terror attack in the US's history. Also...the fellow says one thing in English and another thing in Arabic. I don't trust folks who speak out of both sides of their mouths.

You're free to.

as you know, the Jewish reference was simply highlighting a received endorsement from an adjacent facility, the Jewish Community Center... a facility the proposed Muslim community center is being compared to. I also thought it might carry a bit of weight with you given your stated recognition that:

I hear Jews control the media and the world's banking system.

as I said, there are competing websites with differing accounts - I linked to one and quoted from it. I also said I have no problem relinquishing suggestion over the length; I presume this, your latest reply, is you equally relinquishing your claim/suggestion that it's not being used, and has never previously been used for Muslim prayer service.

clearly, you're belaboring some point you'd really like to make about the 'Cordoba' name choice for the proposed location/project initiative... why just skirt around the edges - why not just get it out. Perhaps it has something to do with your other statement, referenced within this post that you somehow ignored replying to. Once again, with feeling!:

Seems to me the people who try to connect (or equate) the entire

Muslim

German

world with the few deranged fanatics with

box cutters

tanks

that committed

9/11

Anschluss

, are making what is a very powerless and comical enemy into something much, much greater.

And you don't try and make your enemy larger. You have to divide them up to conquer them.

really? I've highlighted your changes to the actual statement made. That's your go-to analogy... you would presume to equate the Nazi aspirations/path toward unification of Germany and Austria to... to... what? You would presume to equate the proposed redevelopment of a somewhat NY city derelict site to... to... what? - as an aspiration/path toward... toward... what?

[GostHacked]

No wonder you came up with a gem like that. Perhaps you'll make a good Muslim yet.

I'm an agnostic/atheist just like you. Again, you seem to have nothing more to contribute. But go ahead and make some more personal attacks, it should eventually help you out some.

[naomiglover]

No wonder you came up with a gem like that. Perhaps you'll make a good Muslim yet.

You are a hateful racist bigot.

I feel sorry for you and your family.

[Hydraboss]

Just because he says what he thinks doesn't make him a racist or a bigot. it could be worse...he could be some left wing, loudmouthed bitch from Kwebek that only commits drive-by slander on a web forum.

Face facts: Building this "church" for a ridiculously back-assward religion at this site is stupid. How long do you think it will be before a bunch of "good ole boys" from one of the "mostly white American" states blows this thing up as retribution for 9/11? If it happens, maybe I'll drive out to the international airport near my city and sing and dance at the arrival gates cab lane like those bastards did September 11, 2001.

[Jack Weber]

You are a hateful racist bigot.

I feel sorry for you and your family.

And you're a misguided ideologue....But I don't feel sorry for you...You just need to grow up...

[DogOnPorch]

You are a hateful racist bigot.

I feel sorry for you and your family.

Islam is a religion...not a race. Last I looked, I'm free to criticize it and other stupid religions as I see fit the same way you rag on Israel...bigot.

Gosthacked and I are chums, btw.

Edited May 28, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[waldo]

How long do you think it will be before a bunch of "good ole boys" from one of the "mostly white American" states blows this thing up as retribution for 9/11? If it happens, maybe I'll drive out to the international airport near my city and sing and dance at the arrival gates cab lane like those bastards did September 11, 2001.

hee-haw!Right-Wing Radio Host On NY Mosque: ‘I Hope Somebody Blows It Up’

And I’ll tell you this: If you do build a mosque, I hope somebody blows it up. … I hope the mosque isn’t built, and if it is, I hope it’s blown up. And I mean that. … It’s right-wing radicals like me that are going to keep this country safe for you and everyone else from the people who are flying the planes from the country you fled from. If you want to identify with those people, go live with them

[Guest American Woman]

Let me correct myself. SOME people (and a few on this board) paint all Muslims the same. It is irrelevant if I believe it or not, it's just a fact. The posts speak for themselves.

Sure, some people paint all Muslims the same. I don't think anyone would deny that. And some Muslims paint all westerners the same. And some atheists paint all Christians the same. And some (fill in the blank) paint all (fill in the blank) the same. So I'm not sure what your point is, but my point is that just because some people paint all Muslims the same, not everyone who raises a specific concern about Muslims paints all Muslims the same. Yet that's exactly the accusation being thrown about in this thread. Anyone who questions the location of this mosque is a bigot, paints all Muslims the same, thinks Muslims should feel responsible for 9-11, would be against a mosque built anywhere, and on and on it goes. Sometimes "posts don't speak for themselves," which is the way it should be, but rather posters speak for the posts; ie: they make posts into something they're not, they make them say something they don't, in order to apply their preconceived ideas.

[Sir Bandelot]

I'm inclined to give some respect to posters like Shady, DogOnPorch and Ghosthacked. Whether you agree with them or not, at least they have the guts to be honest about their views. Not hide behind excuses or politically correct doublespeak.

[WIP]

If you think I'm Christian...think again. There is no God, etc...that's right...I'm a dirty, fithy atheist.

Yeah I remember! But you forgot that I'm also an atheist. The point is that you have decided to target one religion specifically, whereas I think this Hitchens and Harris strategy of supporting one form of religious fundamentalists against another is plain stupid.

Re: Christian terrorism: not a big worry. How many bombs in the market lately involve Christians? The IRA at least tended to phone ahead...except the one I was caught-up in...my luck. I even remember the date...March 8th, 1973.

I haven't seen you comment about the Hutaree Militia, or other militias and tea party activists that are threatening violence. They will end up as the brown shirts of a new fascist movement...all it would take is an economic decline. Now, to bring it back to this New York mosque issue, If you want a Christian terrorist, how about this right wing radio host in Houston, who is trying to incite someone to blow up the proposed mosque in New York!

just discovered it's already been posted. Oh well, it deserves repeating.

Edited May 29, 2010 by WIP

[DogOnPorch]

If he's breaking the law for threatening violence, he should be arrested immediately. Did you really think I'd believe otherwise?

How do you feel about Imans who are all love and peace in English and Sharia Sharia Sharia in Arabic?

[bloodyminded]

Just because he says what he thinks doesn't make him a racist or a bigot. it could be worse...he could be some left wing, loudmouthed bitch from Kwebek that only commits drive-by slander on a web forum.

Face facts: Building this "church" for a ridiculously back-assward religion at this site is stupid. How long do you think it will be before a bunch of "good ole boys" from one of the "mostly white American" states blows this thing up as retribution for 9/11? If it happens, maybe I'll drive out to the international airport near my city and sing and dance at the arrival gates cab lane like those bastards did September 11, 2001.

Because you support terrorism.

[BubberMiley]

I'm inclined to give some respect to posters like Shady, DogOnPorch and Ghosthacked. Whether you agree with them or not, at least they have the guts to be honest about their views. Not hide behind excuses or politically correct doublespeak.

Sadly some of them feel it necessary to hide behind lies as well. Anyone who says offshore drilling was caused by environmentalism cannot be trusted. I'd rather read politically correct doublespeak than lies, and lies are the worst kind of excuses.