Conservatives eat one of their own.

[madmax]

Guergis says its "UNFAIR"

Tossed out with the dirty laundry. Is she being treated like dirt by her own party?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/805327--guergis-bounced-as-candidate-for-next-election-report

Other then her choice of a Husband, and her own public tantrums, just what makes her not good enough for the CPC? She has more to offer then much of the dead wood and other donkeys butts that are nominated by the CPC or sit as MPs.

She is not alone in being a bit crazy and over the top or incompetent? She is not alone in scheming and scamming. Why her and if she is so bad, why not start cleaning house all around?

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Guergis+says+stripping+nomination+unfair/2993452/story.html

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/05/05/13840386.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/guergis-removed-as-candidate-ctv-reports/article1558444/

And she had had such a positive response at the riding association meeting. What went wrong.

[Wild Bill]

Guergis says its "UNFAIR"

Tossed out with the dirty laundry. Is she being treated like dirt by her own party?

Other then her choice of a Husband, and her own public tantrums, just what makes her not good enough for the CPC? She has more to offer then much of the dead wood and other donkeys butts that are nominated by the CPC or sit as MPs.

She is not alone in being a bit crazy and over the top or incompetent? She is not alone in scheming and scamming. Why her and if she is so bad, why not start cleaning house all around?

And she had had such a positive response at the riding association meeting. What went wrong.

Oh boohoo, boohoo! Max, get a grip! She's a POLITICIAN, for Pete's Sake! Save your sympathy!

She'll live!

[Molly]

Oh boohoo, boohoo! Max, get a grip! She's a POLITICIAN, for Pete's Sake! Save your sympathy!

She'll live!

And if she stays put, even as an independent, until the 28th day of June, she'll have a full 6 years of service in....

[Moonbox]

She's made HERSELF to be a liability. Nobody else did that for her. She married a scum bag (and an argument could be made of how that reflects on her) and she's done little but embarrass herself over the last few months.

[Topaz]

Since we don't know why Harper booted her, it seems kinda way out, to do so. Jaffer, saw he was thrown under the bus and now his wife is there with him BUT IF they think the Tories have wrong them, they will get their chance to have their last say before the committee on June 9th, I believe. If they want to OUT the Tories, they could out the present and former Ministers of Natural Resources, which has alot more money for projects and theses two refused to come before the committee. This could heat up and it all depends on this couple and what they will say.

[kimmy]

Allowing a lobbyist to use a her parliamentary e-mail and phone casts doubt on her character. Blowing up at airport security staff is forgivable, but allowing Jaffer to use parliamentary resources for his lobbying business is a poor ethical decision that could (and has) brought the whole government under suspicion. They're absolutely justified in ditching her. If she didn't see a problem with what she's done, she just doesn't belong in public office.

-k

[Keepitsimple]

Allowing a lobbyist to use a her parliamentary e-mail and phone casts doubt on her character. Blowing up at airport security staff is forgivable, but allowing Jaffer to use parliamentary resources for his lobbying business is a poor ethical decision that could (and has) brought the whole government under suspicion. They're absolutely justified in ditching her. If she didn't see a problem with what she's done, she just doesn't belong in public office.

-k

I agree - you have to practice what you preach

[fellowtraveller]

In reality, her crimes are insignificant and barely register on the Corrupt-O-Meter.

What Harper and crew are doing is sending a message to the caucus about consequences......

[ToadBrother]

Allowing a lobbyist to use a her parliamentary e-mail and phone casts doubt on her character. Blowing up at airport security staff is forgivable, but allowing Jaffer to use parliamentary resources for his lobbying business is a poor ethical decision that could (and has) brought the whole government under suspicion. They're absolutely justified in ditching her. If she didn't see a problem with what she's done, she just doesn't belong in public office.

-k

I agree that it makes her unsuitable for a cabinet post. Since meaningful allegations against her have never been made in any specific measure, and it's more about damning her over who she is married to, I'm not sure throwing her out of caucus was entirely justified. But this is brewing to be a very ugly fight between the riding association and the party HQ, and that can only make everything look bad.

Harper should have suspended her from caucus, but to begin the process of totally excising her from the party with an investigation still under the way? No, that I can't agree with. They're just trying to get rid of her post haste because with a minority government, you never know when the election is coming. It has nothing to do with justice or integrity, it has everything to do with political expediency.

[wyly]

What Harper and crew are doing is sending a message to the caucus about consequences......

ya..if you want your pension sit down and keep your mouth shut, the PMO will tell you when to vote and how to cast that vote...

[wyly]

But this is brewing to be a very ugly fight between the riding association and the party HQ, and that can only make everything look bad.

no different than the riding for MP rob anders, when those in the riding tried to hold nominations to oppose him they were overruled by the PM, democracy doesn't mean much in a party where the PM is in 100% in control...

[eyeball]

In reality, her crimes are insignificant and barely register on the Corrupt-O-Meter.

What Harper and crew are doing is sending a message to the caucus about consequences......

Yes, that breaking the Golden Rule, getting caught that is, will be met with the swiftest of justice and no chance of parole.

[Dave_ON]

It has nothing to do with justice or integrity, it has everything to do with political expediency.

Absolutely, though I believe the full boot was the best possible option for Mr. Harper given his increasingly tenuous grip on power. Jaffer, and by association Guergis, is a toxic asset and can do nothing but harm to the party. They're trying to expunge every last bit of Guergis’ association from the party. Is it particularly ethical? Not really, but it is smart and that's generally the road Mr. Harp takes.

Now we'll have to wait and see how Mr. Harper handles the whole Shory fiasco. Since he's not a minister I doubt we'll see any type reaction like we did over Guergis, but the whole affair certainly couldn't have happened at a worse time. Precedence has just been set, will he booted from caucus also, or will Mr. Harper wait until the allegations have substance and a verdict is delivered?

[Born Free]

They're trying to expunge every last bit of Guergis’ association from the party. Is it particularly ethical? Not really, but it is smart and that's generally the road Mr. Harp takes.

Harper wasnt smart. Guergis should have been dumped right after the airport affair. Ministers of the Crown are expected NOT to do what she did. She gave up her privilege of office by her very own asshole actions.

Harper has already shown us HIS version of ethics (or lack there of) on several occasions.

[wyly]

Now we'll have to wait and see how Mr. Harper handles the whole Shory fiasco. Since he's not a minister I doubt we'll see any type reaction like we did over Guergis, but the whole affair certainly couldn't have happened at a worse time. Precedence has just been set, will he booted from caucus also, or will Mr. Harper wait until the allegations have substance and a verdict is delivered?

that's a very good point, how can he not kick out Shory, isn't he being charged/investigated with fraud? Geurgis has not been charged with anything, is she even being investigated for any wrong doing?

[Muddy]

I don`t know if she is guilty of anything other than allowing her husband to use her office and equipment that you and I pay for. Is that enough to oust her from her post,caucus and now the party? I think she would be toxic material if allowed to run in the next election however. So I agree with the reasons for Harper`s action. It is self preservation of the CPC.

[M.Dancer]

I don`t know if she is guilty of anything other than allowing her husband to use her office and equipment that you and I pay for.

That and writing a letter to her cousin, who sits on a municiple board, and endorsing a company her husband is said to have been involved with and were trying to work towards an IPO...

[DrGreenthumb]

So doesn't everyone feel sorry for poor widdle Helena after watching her tearful interview with Mansbridge?

Any thoughts?

Was she telling the whole truth?

Is Harper just an evil mysogynistic piece of crap?

Why does Harper hate women?

Should MRs Guergis-Jaffer be allowed to run as a CONdidate?

[ZenOps]

So doesn't everyone feel sorry for poor widdle Helena after watching her tearful interview with Mansbridge?

Any thoughts?

Was she telling the whole truth?

Is Harper just an evil mysogynistic piece of crap?

Why does Harper hate women?

Should MRs Guergis-Jaffer be allowed to run as a CONdidate?

Hey, she admits to trying marijuanna at 14. Tried to inhale, but coughed - which is a *very* very typical first reaction to trying to inhale pot. Thats pretty honest.

I think its just the PC party playing hardball against Jaffer - the *only* Conservative (formerly Reform) MP to lose a seat in Alberta (to New Democrat Linda Duncan) in practically decades. That he hung around parliament after he lost the seat - probably pissed them off no amount.

[wyly]

Hey, she admits to trying marijuanna at 14. Tried to inhale, but coughed - which is a *very* very typical first reaction to trying to inhale pot. Thats pretty honest.

I think its just the PC party playing hardball against Jaffer - the *only* Conservative (formerly Reform) MP to lose a seat in Alberta (to New Democrat Linda Duncan) in practically decades. That he hung around parliament after he lost the seat - probably pissed them off no amount.

I'm not believing Jaffer didn't know how cocaine got into his pocket...

I can accept that she wouldn't know about drugs and hookers at a dinner, I've been in similar situations myself.

the opposition to attack her was and should be expected it goes with the job...her own party and Harper turning on her without telling her why or producing any evidence was shitty, it says a lot about the CPC and Harper ethics or lack of....

[scribblet]

Actually what it said was, that he was acting in everyone's interest, he acted quickly to defer further partisan attacks from the opposition. Had he not acted quickly, they would be foaming at the mouth because he hadn't acted quickly.

So far, all we know about her is that she allowed Jaffer to use her office and emails, which she should not have done.

We do that the drugs and hookers were simply creative thinking on the part of the reporter, there was no backroom in that place, the so called 'busty hoooker' was Gillani's girlfriend, and there is no proof of any cocaine use. So far it's all third party allegations, so I'll wait to pass judgement until we know the whole truth.

As for the rest of the first post, it's not worth replying to.

[Molly]

Riiiiiight.

He acted quickly to remove her from cabinet until the air should be cleared. The opposition would have harped that more should be done, but would have made no points by doing so.

Then, IN ADDITION, he acted quickly to remove her from caucus, which is a fate generally reserved for those whose guilt is beyond refutation, or those who have acted directly to harm the party.

And THEN he acted quickly to block her nomination, thus certainly snuffing her political career, even if no substnce is found in any accusation and it all does blow over.

............

So.. does he actually know something that the rest of us don't, or is it personal?

[Topaz]

Even though I don't think too much of her, she still has the right to know why she was let go and so far as the public knows she only guilty by Harper. I think she was a thorn in Harper's side and when her hubby got in trouble and the opposition parties and the media kept pressing the questions about her and Jaffer, Harper decided to get rid of her. Harper or his lawyers won't even tell her what she is guilty of. My question is, does the RCMP REALLY have an investigation going on her and if not, why they haven't come out and said one way or other? We all know how dirty the Tories can play and now one of their own knows too!

[Argus]

So.. does he actually know something that the rest of us don't, or is it personal?

She was bad news for the party, pure and simple. That wasn't entirely her own fault, but there's been nothing but bad press on her from the beginning. She's also still attached to Jaffar, who is trouble waiting to happen. And if Harper has an ideology it's pragmatism. By booting her out he limited the damage to the party. If he allowed her back then her or her husband would be an accident waiting to happen. The first little thing the press would be all over it and he'd take the blame for allowing her back.

[Topaz]

She was bad news for the party, pure and simple. That wasn't entirely her own fault, but there's been nothing but bad press on her from the beginning. She's also still attached to Jaffar, who is trouble waiting to happen. And if Harper has an ideology it's pragmatism. By booting her out he limited the damage to the party. If he allowed her back then her or her husband would be an accident waiting to happen. The first little thing the press would be all over it and he'd take the blame for allowing her back.

So what about the Tory who was the lawyer of the BMO fraud? Shouldn't he step down until the investigation is done. This shows his character as a lawyer and as a person and now he's in governmentand it would look better if he step aside.