Obama's Katrina

[Shady]

It's funny that before Shady got his talking points about how to blame Obama for the spill, when he was still taking it at face value that the "drill, baby, drill" position was in trouble, his argument was that it wasn't even something political.

Yes, it's amazing how a month later, when the full damage is known, and the full incompetence of Obama is realized, how things change.

Your hindsight is the best ever! Btw, tell us all again how by November (2009), Sarah Palin's going to be irrlevant?

You're still posting status updates about her! (June 2010)

[BubberMiley]

I agree that Obama has to take bolder steps on this issue. There needs to be greater regulations, and perhaps a complete ban on deep-water drilling, until clean-up technology is improved. It's nice to see you onboard for such action.

As for Palin, she continues to prove her total irrelevance by repeating your talking point that deep-water drilling is a result of the ban on some drilling closer to shore. I'm certain when asked to back up her claim, she would be as impotent as you were in providing any data to support that point.

She continues to be a joke, and she will therefore continue to be irrelevant.

But it's no surprise you think otherwise.

[Shady]

There needs to be greater regulations

Nope. They just need to enforce existing regulations, and not give out permits to BP in a 5 minute time frame.

I'm certain when asked to back up her claim, she would be as impotent as you were in providing any data to support that point.

I already provided you with the map illustrating the offshore ban on drilling along the coasts. Apparently you can't read. That ain't my fault.

[GostHacked]

Yes, it's amazing how a month later, when the full damage is known, and the full incompetence of Obama is realized, how things change.

Funny how you blame Obama for policies that Bush had put into place, which potentially is the real reason why this thing blew up.

Your hindsight is the best ever!

Yup and so is yours, because you never look back.

Btw, tell us all again how by November (2009), Sarah Palin's going to be irrlevant?

You're still posting status updates about her! (June 2010)

[Shady]

Funny how you blame Obama for policies that Bush had put into place, which potentially is the real reason why this thing blew up.

Nice lie. That's complete nonsense.

[punked]

Nice lie. That's complete nonsense.

Shady you are the only who thinks that.

[Shady]

Shady you are the only who thinks that.

Prove me wrong.

[Shady]

Jon Stewart rips the hell out of Obama!

Video

[Jack Weber]

Jon Stewart rips the hell out of Obama!

Video

Was this from last nights show?

If it was,it was pretty funny....

[punked]

Prove me wrong.

Prove me wrong.

[Shady]

Prove me wrong.

You're the one making the claim that the spill is somehow related to a Bush policy. You're full of crap. And you've yet to back up your lie.

[punked]

You're the one making the claim that the spill is somehow related to a Bush policy. You're full of crap. And you've yet to back up your lie.

When you let the oil companies police themselves that is what happens.

But you want proof go ahead and read.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-14/its-bushs-oil-spill/

Edited June 3, 2010 by punked

[BubberMiley]

I already provided you with the map illustrating the offshore ban on drilling along the coasts. Apparently you can't read. That ain't my fault.

Once again, I questioned your implication that there would be no deep-water drilling if the ban did not exist. Oddly, you keep pretending I'm asking for proof that the ban exists. Apparently you either can't read or you're intellectually dishonest. Either way, that ain't my fault.

Edited June 3, 2010 by BubberMiley

[punked]

Once again, I questioned your implication that there would be no deep-water drilling if the ban did not exist. You keep pretending I'm asking a different question. Apparently you either can't read or you're intellectually dishonest. Either way, that ain't my fault.

Only Shady thinks that it is the fact that the leak is deep water, is what the problem is.

We have been here before with the second largest oil spill ever. It happened 30 years ago in the gulf and they did the samethings they are doing now. None of them worked.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/weve_been_here_before.php

[bush_cheney2004]

We have been here before with the second largest oil spill ever. It happened 30 years ago in the gulf and they did the samethings they are doing now. None of them worked.

Right...so surely "we" will survive....but something more interesting was proposed by a talking head tonight. This thing is not so much Obama's Katrina as it is his Iranian Hostage Crisis, where he can do absolutely nothing but wait...totally impotent.

[BubberMiley]

...totally impotent.

No, there's lots of cleanup planning to be done, and that's something that is physically possible for him to do.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, there's lots of cleanup planning to be done, and that's something that is physically possible for him to do.

Anybody can do that....this is about stopping the spill, not mopping up. To hold Mr. Obama to a lower standard would be insulting. He is the president, and like those who have gone before, is expected to lead. Even Carter tried (and failed) in the desert.

[Oleg Bach]

But you say all die because of Bush.....so all die because of Obama too....and Clinton....and Bush Sr....and Reagan....and Carter...and Ford....and Nixon....all killed with hurricane. Amazing logic!

They all suffer from the grand disconnect...besides how honest and caring can lawyers be?

[BubberMiley]

He is the president, and like those who have gone before, is expected to lead.

I agree. Time for them to nationalize the oil industry.

[Shady]

When you let the oil companies police themselves that is what happens.

But you want proof go ahead and read.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-14/its-bushs-oil-spill/

Your Democrat written opinion piece doesn't assert even one Bush policy. Again, I'd love to see some proof of your accusation. But alas, nothing.

I agree. Time for them to nationalize the oil industry.

Yep. Because government workers never do anything wrong.

Edited June 3, 2010 by Shady

[BubberMiley]

Yep. Because government workers never do anything wrong.

But if we agree the government is ultimately responsible for this mess, the government needs to put itself in the position where it can better control the situation. You can't have it both ways.

[GostHacked]

Prove me wrong.

You prove me wrong first. I dare and challenge you. I seriously don't expect squat from you. Your reputation on that is very clear.

[Shady]

But if we agree the government is ultimately responsible for this mess, the government needs to put itself in the position where it can better control the situation. You can't have it both ways.

That's some interesting logic. I guess you could apply it to any industry and business.

You prove me wrong first.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[GostHacked]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37389981/ns/business-oil_and_energy/

The war over offshore drilling has been under way at least since 1990, when President George H.W. Bush imposed a moratorium on new offshore drilling after the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska’s Prince William Sound, the worst in U.S. history until now.

Bush Sr. put the plan in place to restrict drilling.

In 2008, with the U.S. increasingly dependent on foreign oil, President George W. Bush lifted the moratorium, part of a policy to encourage more drilling that included tax breaks for deepwater projects. But opposition from state officials and congressional delegations, along with a federal lawsuit seeking to block the expansion, effectively stalled approval of new areas for drilling.

Bush Jr. lifted it.

Eat it Shady.

Obama admits he failed. Obama also says it is his responsibility now. Bush never did any of this for Katrina.

“I think (the decision to expand drilling) continues to be the right one,” Obama told reporters Thursday. “Where I was wrong was in my belief that the oil companies had their act together when it came to worst-case scenarios.”

http://www.ufppc.org/us-a-world-news-mainmenu-35/9582-background-thanks-to-bush-cheney-deepwater-horizon-had-no-eia-and-no-acoustic-switch.html

The Washington Post revealed Wednesday that the Interior Department's Mineral Management Service (MMS) gave BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" that exempted it from a detailed environmental impact analysis in 2009.[1] -- What's more, BP was engaged in lobbying efforts to expand such exemptions only eleven days before the Apr. 20 explosion. -- Writing on Wednesday on the Huffington Post website, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the MMS had been corrupted and captured during the eight years of the George W. Bush administration. -- An acoustic switch could have averted the disaster, and, Kennedy said, "n 2000, the Minerals Management Service while weighing a comprehensive rulemaking for drilling safety, deemed the acoustic mechanism 'essential' and proposed to mandate the mechanism on all gulf rigs."[2] -- But "between January and March of 2001, incoming Vice President Dick Cheney conducted secret meetings with over 100 oil industry officials allowing them to draft a wish list of industry demands to be implemented by the oil friendly administration. Cheney also used that time to re-staff the Minerals Management Service with oil industry toadies including a cabal of his Wyoming carbon cronies. In 2003, newly reconstituted Minerals Management Service genuflected to the oil cartel by recommending the removal of the proposed requirement for acoustic switches. The Minerals Management Service's 2003 study concluded that 'acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.'" -- MMS is now "the poster child for 'agency capture phenomena,'" Kennedy said. -- "[T]he real culprit in this villainy is a negligent industry, the festering ethics of the Bush Administration and poor oversight by an agency corrupted by eight years of grotesque subservience to Big Oil." ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html?_r=1

Mr. Bush called on Congress Wednesday to end a longstanding federal ban on offshore drilling and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil exploration, arguing that the steps were needed to lower gasoline prices and bolster national security. But even as oil trades at more than $135 a barrel — up from $68 a year ago — the world’s existing drill-ships are booked solid for the next five years. Some oil companies have been forced to postpone exploration while waiting for a drilling rig, executives and analysts said.

Do you want more Shady?????

[GostHacked]

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Not surprised.