A Canadian woman said she is ashamed to be a Canadian

[bjre]

Canada has a culture and I believe those immigrating here should remember why they immigrated here. The culture that exists is the reason why Canada is such a great place to start a new life. Why not accept the norms of Canadian culture ? Why bring prejudices and tribal wars to these shores from a previous homeland? As a Canadian man I can not accept the enslavement of females by their male dominated culture anymore than I can accept slavery of any race. People have a right to be free to make personal choices.Male or Female.

Canada’s leaders claim that Canada will always bo the truth north, strong and free.

However, many every day, hard working Canadians say otherwise.

Canada’s leaders claim that Canaadians have a great country that all Canadians believe in.

However, many everyday, hard working Canadians say otherwise.

Canada’s leaders claim to be doing all that they can to protect the earnings, savings and the opportunities of all Canadians.

However, many everyday, hard working Canadians say otherwise.

Here is the video:

I am ashamed to be a Canadian.

So much so, I don’t want anything to do with this country.

I am leaving this week, and hopefully, I won’t ever be back.

I think the system here, it’s an embarrassing.

I used to be really proud to be a Canadian (with crying voice), since I was raised to believe about justices, and human rights, and community…… but I’ve found out that it is so not true. … you have no rights, and your rights you try to exercise, they squash you right from the start, … and you pretty much know that the decisions that have been made are because the fact that you try to exercise your right, Canada is supposed to be known worldwide for all the work we do for human rights, yet we don’t have any here. I am truly ashamed to be a Canadian, … I was born and raised in Canada, I have what I thought Canadian values, I am leaving this country now, and I feel that I have to, just in order to retain my basic human rights…

[Smallc]

I wonder if she's going to China?

[eyeball]

Canada’s leaders claim to be doing all that they can to protect the earnings, savings and the opportunities of all Canadians.

Tell that to Canadian fishermen. Ottawa accepted $30 million from the US to shut down Canadian fishermen so Americans could catch the fish instead.

The $30 million was supposed to compensate dispossessed Canadian fishermen who are now being forced to sue Canada to get their money.

Although the treaty was ratified a year ago, U.S. funds have not been released to B.C. fishermen, said the association, which fears some of the money could go to those not directly affected by the cuts.

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Canadians have plenty of reasons to be ashamed.

[noahbody]

This video starts with the testimony of a young mother who lost everything she ever worked for in Canada as a result of the family court system and the Children's Aid Society, clearly shows that Mr. Harper's words and promises during an election mean nothing when it comes down to the real every day world of hard-working Canadians.

This thread should be titles "A stupid woman said she is ashamed to be Canadian."

[bjre]

This thread should be titles "A stupid woman said she is ashamed to be Canadian."

Shouldn't a "stupid" woman have some basic human rights?

Edited April 2, 2010 by bjre

[Guest TrueMetis]

Shouldn't a "stupid" woman have some basic human rights?

What rights exactly were violated? Doesn't exactly give detail in the "cite" you gave.

[Guest American Woman]

What rights exactly were violated? Doesn't exactly give detail in the "cite" you gave.

I was wondering the same thing. It appears to be a one-sided video with this woman telling her feelings, but there's really no facts about the case.

I also wonder where she's going. It can't be the United States since we don't value family and community first. I'm not sure what we do value first, but it's not family and community. Because her uncle said so.

[dizzy]

This is a woman who lost her daughter to the child welfare system because of a substantiated accusation of abuse or neglect. My girlfriend worked for years on child welfare policy reform and I'll agree that there is much to be embarrassed about in that system. But where in is she going where she will be promised a better option?

She talks about the wonderful life she had before the CAS showed up at her door, but she never explains why the CAS showed up at her door. If we knew some of these details, we'd at least have enough info for a conversation...

[kimmy]

This is a woman who lost her daughter to the child welfare system because of a substantiated accusation of abuse or neglect. My girlfriend worked for years on child welfare policy reform and I'll agree that there is much to be embarrassed about in that system. But where in is she going where she will be promised a better option?

She talks about the wonderful life she had before the CAS showed up at her door, but she never explains why the CAS showed up at her door. If we knew some of these details, we'd at least have enough info for a conversation...

All of this is very well said.

-k

[Muddy]

She never fot one minute explained why she had trouble with social services. I certainly would like a lot more information about her history from authotities. Why is Harper to blame by the way? Any misfortune she may have incountered with the system would be Municipal or Provincial I would assume. Why is she blaming Canada and Harper for any percieved injustice? It has been my experience watching life that CAS is not perfect. But that the system is very reluctant to take a child from the home. I think this Gal is very much a maker of any misfortune she has suffered since she never once explains why ,where and how she finds her self so disenfranchised. Was she doing drugs, leaving her child in dangerous situations? Or something worse? She has public houseing and welfare but she has no appreciation of that safety net that the system has given her.There are too many questions left out of her story and of course the system must protect her privacy and can not defend themselves.

Where does she wish to immigrate too that has a better socialistic system. I think this is a person that is looking for sympathy for a plight of her own doing. As Kimmy asks. Why did CAS show up at her door? They must have had some reason.

[KeyStone]

All of this is very well said.

-k

If she lost her natural-born child to CAS, it's pretty much certain that she was a negligent parent.

There are many reasons to be ashamed of being Canadian, but Canada's refusal to not be more lenient to negligent mothers is not one of them.

[Smallc]

There are many reasons to be ashamed of being Canadian

For example?

[bush_cheney2004]

For example?

Stephane or Celine Dion ?

[Machjo]

I agree with the OP. Just look at the Anglo-French wars. It seems they're still not over to this day.

[kimmy]

I agree with the OP. Just look at the Anglo-French wars. It seems they're still not over to this day.

Que?

-k

[Smallc]

I agree with the OP. Just look at the Anglo-French wars. It seems they're still not over to this day.

They are? Where?

[Guest American Woman]

This is a woman who lost her daughter to the child welfare system because of a substantiated accusation of abuse or neglect.

The odd thing is, there's never so much as a hint as to why she lost custody of her child. There's no mention of the allegations. If she were falsely accused, which is what's being said, why aren't the false allegations discussed and refuted/disproved at all? And why would anyone look at a totally one-side-of-the -story emotional reaction, without so much as a mention of the allegations, as proof of anything negative about CAS? Makes no sense.

[Muddy]

The odd thing is, there's never so much as a hint as to why she lost custody of her child. There's no mention of the allegations. If she were falsely accused, which is what's being said, why aren't the false allegations discussed and refuted/disproved at all? And why would anyone look at a totally one-side-of-the -story emotional reaction, without so much as a mention of the allegations, as proof of anything negative about CAS? Makes no sense.

You have asked all the unanswered questions.This womans plea falls on deaf ears in this case.

Besides this thread should be in Federal politics. This is not a federal issue. This is a left wing snow job on Harper. Don`t fall for this one folks.

[xul]

I wonder if she's going to China?

If she goes to P.R.China as a honorable citizen, she will not be able to open all of the video links in bjre's post nowadays like me. :angry:

[bjre]

The odd thing is, there's never so much as a hint as to why she lost custody of her child. There's no mention of the allegations. If she were falsely accused, which is what's being said, why aren't the false allegations discussed and refuted/disproved at all? And why would anyone look at a totally one-side-of-the -story emotional reaction, without so much as a mention of the allegations, as proof of anything negative about CAS? Makes no sense.

Even if it was her fault (but actually it was not), she still is a human being.

Do you mean if CAS got some testimony, they can take away all her human rights?

Does anyone perfect here. Did you ever do something wrong? So your human right can be taken away due to your im-perfect?

Edited April 2, 2010 by bjre

[xul]

I am ashamed to be a Canadian.

So much so, I don’t want anything to do with this country.

I am leaving this week, and hopefully, I won’t ever be back.

I think the system here, it’s an embarrassing.

I used to be really proud to be a Canadian (with crying voice), since I was raised to believe about justices, and human rights, and community…… but I’ve found out that it is so not true. … you have no rights, and your rights you try to exercise, they squash you right from the start, … and you pretty much know that the decisions that have been made are because the fact that you try to exercise your right, Canada is supposed to be known worldwide for all the work we do for human rights, yet we don’t have any here. I am truly ashamed to be a Canadian, … I was born and raised in Canada, I have what I thought Canadian values, I am leaving this country now, and I feel that I have to, just in order to retain my basic human rights…

The statements are wrong because it is based on such false belief or premise:

her or his rights = Canadian's rights = human rights.

[Guest American Woman]

Even if it was her fault (but actually it was not), she still is a human being.

Do you mean if CAS got some testimony, they can take away all her human rights?

Does anyone perfect here. Did you ever do something wrong? So your human right can be taken away due to your im-perfect?

Ummmm. People's "rights" are being taken away all the time due to 'something they do wrong.' Try killing someone and see how long you maintain your "rights."

CAS didn't take away "all her human rights," it took away her right to custody of her child. But please enlighten me. How do you know "it wasn't her fault," and what, exactly, is "it?" Nowhere in that video does it so much as touch on either one of those issues.

[bjre]

What rights exactly were violated? Doesn't exactly give detail in the "cite" you gave.

In the video, the woman said:

I want my right of privacy. I want my right to choose how it is I want to live, where I want to live, I want to have my own control over my successes. I want to be able to follow my faith, and pick myself up without fear of what people gonna to do to me, and what they are gonna to do to my child, I don't feel like I can live like any other human being here, I can't meet a man and get married without that hell against me, I can't chase good things without them constantly coming in here and empty my life and destroy everything. So, I don't even want to leave my home, because I am so afraid of what's gonna happen, when I am not there what they're gonna do, what they're gonna bring, what they're gonna destroy, I am terrified for my daughter's future family, and I am tried to be force into poverty, I was forced to live in public housing for 6 years now. And every attempt I have ever made is to get out of it, to get off the system...

The family courts together with Canada's child protection industry have destroyed everything this mother once had and have relentlessly kept her knocked down every time she has tried to get back up.

From the emotion, this woman is obliviously been bully for a long time, although she was not wearing a burka.

[xul]

Even if it was her fault (but actually it was not), she still is a human being.

Do you mean if CAS got some testimony, they can take away all her human rights?

Does anyone perfect here. Did you ever do something wrong? So your human right can be taken away due to your im-perfect?

I think I have got you point now. I suppose your purpose of this post is to tell everyone here that foreign-born Canadians also have the same rights as their native-born countrymen, even if the right of complain or whine. If native-borns can complain, why are foreign-borns surposed to have no rights to complain? If this is your purpose, I'll agree with you.

But on the other hand, I agree with Muddy's statements you quoted here (I have not read the original post or debate.) I believe there is not a perfect nation or state or paradise in the world available for people to migrate to. When a person has decided to migrate to another country, he or she has to accept both the advantage and disadvantage of his or her destination. If he or she wants the country he or she will migrate to just as the same as the country he lives now, what is the purpose of the migration?

I'm also a "native-born" in my hometown Beijing, where also have a large group of migrate workers and other-provinces-born citizens, though as you know most of them are pure-blood han Chinese so there is not any religionary or racial problem. And I also have read a lot of complains from internet, some are correct and others, I have to say, are just whines. I remember I once posted a post with almost the same statement as Muddy's in a Chinese forum years before I knew Canada recruited immigrants. I also asked them the same question---"if you want everything just as the same as your hometown, what is the purpose that you come here?"

[bjre]

I think I have got you point now. I suppose your purpose of this post is to tell everyone here that foreign-born Canadians also have the same rights as their native-born countrymen, even if the right of complain or whine. If native-borns can complain, why are foreign-borns surposed to have no rights to complain? If this is your purpose, I'll agree with you.

But on the other hand, I agree with Muddy's statements you quoted here (I have not read the original post or debate.) I believe there is not a perfect nation or state or paradise in the world available for people to migrate to. When a person has decided to migrate to another country, he or she has to accept both the advantage and disadvantage of his or her destination. If he or she wants the country he or she will migrate to just as the same as the country he lives now, what is the purpose of the migration?

I'm also a "native-born" in my hometown Beijing, where also have a large group of migrate workers and other-provinces-born citizens, though as you know most of them are pure-blood han Chinese so there is not any religionary or racial problem. And I also have read a lot of complains from internet, some are correct and others, I have to say, are just whines. I remember I once posted a post with almost the same statement as Muddy's in a Chinese forum years before I knew Canada recruited immigrants. I also asked them the same question---"if you want everything just as the same as your hometown, what is the purpose that you come here?"

No, that is not my point. I want more people to care about the human right issues in Canada because everyone who is living here cares about his/her living environment.

If you have a kid or you want a kid in future, do you want to live in fear, do you want to let it be when you find his problem. If you have friends here and they meet problem with kids, do you want to say something for them? If you see evil here, do you want some change to make life better? If you see bully, do you yourself want to be bullied someday. Do you think you should not have human right just because you were from a certain country?

It is not a problem of immigrant. The original post is about a white woman who was born and raised in Canada.

Do you mind start a new thread if you want to talk about immigrant issues?

Edited April 2, 2010 by bjre