A Canadian woman said she is ashamed to be a Canadian

[Guest TrueMetis]

So Tibet is the reason the Canadian woman's basic human right should be taken away?

Until you can show what rights have been taken away, and whether it was unjustfied or not your not making an arguement.

[Alta4ever]

I don't blame him for being unable to form an argument.

Not much of a base to deal with when it comes to China.

I don't know why bjre tries to argue from a place of moral authority on this and compare Canada to China as China was in the 90's on a list of the 10 biggest abusers of Human Rights in the world.

[Alta4ever]

So Tibet is the reason the Canadian woman's basic human right should be taken away?

CAS would only show up if there was an allegation this woman was abusing the rights of her children.

You may want to first do some research on these topics before you post them.

[bjre]

Until you can show what rights have been taken away, and whether it was unjustfied or not your not making an arguement.

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[Dithers]

post #23

You are posting her biased version of events as though they are fact.

Get real.

[bjre]

I don't know why bjre tries to argue from a place of moral authority on this and compare Canada to China as China was in the 90's on a list of the 10 biggest abusers of Human Rights in the world.

Yes you can always make such a list by ignoring human rights violation in your own country.

[Guest TrueMetis]

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That's her opinion. It is not fact.

[Dithers]

That's her opinion. It is not fact.

I beat you.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I beat you.

Damn.

[bjre]

That's her opinion. It is not fact.

There is fact inside it.

Canada’s leaders claim to be doing all that they can to protect the earnings, savings and the opportunities of all Canadians.

But this woman lost her earnings, savings, and opportunities because of CAS.

Her financial situation was not bad before CAS came:

I used to have a full time job at Royal Bank… I was not getting child’s support or anything, I’ve done everything on my own, and I used to have a beautiful 2 bedroom apartment…

But the family courts together with Canada’s child protection industry have destroyed everything this mother once had and have relentlessly kept her knocked down every time she has tried to get back up.

Financially, I have nothing left. I’ve closed my business. Because every attempt I have made I getting ahead, they just keep coming in and kicking me back, and using lies, just evil things…

It is not her fault, because otherwise, it will not be possible for her to go abroad together with her daughter and with a quickly case closed by CAS.

Everybody keeps telling me you know you are really really strong, you’ve made it, you’ve gone so far, you can do it again, but I don’t want to…

Why she has to fight with CAS? Why she has to lost her earnings because of CAS? Why she has to prove she did nothing wrong?

Because I was still currently in the battle with the Children’s Aid Society, I was still in the middle of proving who’s right, proving who’s wrong, and try to convince them that my daughter comes first, everything achieved in my life was for her…

Do you like the idea if only someone charge you with no reason and simply because it come with strong lawyers funded by taxpayers, and you have to spend time to deal with them and with all what you have earned?

[Dithers]

There is fact inside it.

Canada’s leaders claim to be doing all that they can to protect the earnings, savings and the opportunities of all Canadians.

But this woman lost her earnings, savings, and opportunities because of CAS.

Her financial situation was not bad before CAS came:

But the family courts together with Canada’s child protection industry have destroyed everything this mother once had and have relentlessly kept her knocked down every time she has tried to get back up.

It is not her fault, because otherwise, it will not be possible for her to go abroad together with her daughter and with a quickly case closed by CAS.

Why she has to fight with CAS? Why she has to lost her earnings because of CAS? Why she has to prove she did nothing wrong?

Do you like the idea if only someone charge you with no reason and simply because it come with strong lawyers funded by taxpayers, and you have to spend time to deal with them and with all what you have earned?

Once again, you are taking her word as gold.

Go to a prison and I'm sure you can round up a pack of "innocent" child abusers.

[bjre]

Once again, you are taking her word as gold.

Is she in jail now?

Go to a prison and I'm sure you can round up a pack of "innocent" child abusers.

Definitely.

Massive review of baby deaths sought

http://www.thestar.com/article/291223

More than 200 cases could be revisited amid fears of errors by other pathologists

All the cases in question involve about 200 criminally suspicious deaths and homicides of children. They include 50 deaths that occurred between 1991 and 2001 and more than 50 head injury deaths deemed homicides between 1986 and 2000. Also included are 142 deaths caused by "shaken baby syndrome" between 1986 and 2006.

The inquiry has heard that there was little oversight of pathologists going back to 1981. While Smith's errors were the most egregious, others made mistakes, too. For example, in the highly publicized wrongful conviction of William Mullins Johnson, it was a Sault Ste. Marie pathologist, with others in attendance, who first determined that his niece had been the victim of chronic abuse and had likely been strangled or smothered. Smith was only the consulting pathologist in the case, which resulted in Mullins Johnson spending 12 years in jail.

[Dithers]

Is she in jail now?

Definitely.

Massive review of baby deaths sought

http://www.thestar.com/article/291223

More than 200 cases could be revisited amid fears of errors by other pathologists

All the cases in question involve about 200 criminally suspicious deaths and homicides of children. They include 50 deaths that occurred between 1991 and 2001 and more than 50 head injury deaths deemed homicides between 1986 and 2000. Also included are 142 deaths caused by "shaken baby syndrome" between 1986 and 2006.

The inquiry has heard that there was little oversight of pathologists going back to 1981. While Smith's errors were the most egregious, others made mistakes, too. For example, in the highly publicized wrongful conviction of William Mullins Johnson, it was a Sault Ste. Marie pathologist, with others in attendance, who first determined that his niece had been the victim of chronic abuse and had likely been strangled or smothered. Smith was only the consulting pathologist in the case, which resulted in Mullins Johnson spending 12 years in jail.

Yes. Here in Canada we actually review past cases where we believe there may have been error. It's called justics. That does not correlate to the circumstances in this woman's case.

This is in stark contrast to China where we execute at will for not believing in the divine right of the politboro to rule. Nice try propagandist.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Dithers

[bjre]

Yes. Here in Canada we actually review past cases where we believe there may have been error. It's called justics. That does not correlate to the circumstances in this woman's case.

This is in stark contrast to China where we execute at will for not believing in the divine right of the politboro to rule. Nice try propagandist.

Just enjoy the higher homicide rate and pay the jail cost.

[xul]

Is she in jail now?

I think, after all these disputes over the topics which you posted here, you still don't understand why you can hardly convince anyone, because you don't understand how the system works here. There is a joke:

If I post in a Chinese political forum, "Do you know why Mr.H.China lived in a cheap motel when he attended the G20 meeting? He was not for saving taxpayers' money, but for convenient to procure whores inconspicuously." A minute later, I received a message from the webmaster, "Are you sure the CPC boss has fallen and has been put in jail now by his colleagues?" If the answer is "no", my post will be deleted; and if the answer is "yes", my post will be sticked on the topmost place of the forum regardless whether I'm telling the truth or not.

But if I post here, said with the same way, "Do you know why Mr.H.Canada lived in a cheap motel when he attended the G20 meeting? He was not for saving taxpayers' money, but for meeting some cheerleader conveniently....", I think I will get a lot of questions, such as "Do you have any proof?" If I have, such as "I saw him, and August1991 was with me." ,my story may make the topmost headline of theStar's front page. But if I don't have any proof, my post may still make the topmost place of this forum for weeks----just being busted by angry Mr.H supporters.

If all your posts were just for against CAS, you can not convince others by posting those, such as, "a immigrant whose kid was taken by CAS said CAS was wrong", "a pure blood Canadian mother whose kid was taken by CAS said CAS was wrong" or "PM said CAS was wrong"(A PM may have more influence than common Canadian, but he is not a King.) ....,etc. You must present proofs to support you point, such as "there is a person whose kid was taken just because he slightly patted his mischievous computer-game-addictive kid's ass twice, for the kid refused to attend to an important political rally with his parents for showing family value." Only such kind of proofs can prove that the CAS has been abused.

Personally, I don't like the idea of taking kids away from their parents because it is against nature. When a child is taken, psychologically it is harmful not only to the parents but also to the child. I think CAS should more concentrate on effectively instructing parents how to properly educate their children, not simply take the child to a "better" family "for the child own good". Though in some extreme circumstance, such as the parents who have been proved having some mental problem and may seriously hurt their children, the children should be taken for their protection.

[bjre]

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I could reply these if you posted it in another thread.

Personally, I don't like the idea of taking kids away from their parents because it is against nature. When a child is taken, psychologically it is harmful not only to the parents but also to the child. I think CAS should more concentrate on effectively instructing parents how to properly educate their children, not simply take the child to a "better" family "for the child own good". Though in some extreme circumstance, such as the parents who have been proved having some mental problem and may seriously hurt their children, the children should be taken for their protection.

Education is not what CAS care about, they want money, each child they take "in care" they can ask for government for over $30k a year.

From internet I find the information that when they send a kid to foster care,they give foster parents something like $1k a month.

Edited April 4, 2010 by bjre

[Alta4ever]

I could reply these if you posted it in another thread.

Education is not what CAS care about, they want money, each child they take "in care" they can ask for government for over $30k a year.

From internet I find the information that when they send a kid to foster care,they give foster parents something like $1k a month.

go away you fool. You fail to comprehend anything you write about.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Just enjoy the higher homicide rate and pay the jail cost.

You know what I really enjoy? Not getting shot at by the military.

[bjre]

You know what I really enjoy? Not getting shot at by the military.

Because you did not catch a friendly fire in Afghanistan.

And you did not behave like this man: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1093438524038_10/?hub=CTVNewsAt11

Edited April 4, 2010 by bjre

[bjre]

go away you fool. You fail to comprehend anything you write about.

It is you who failed the argument. not me.

[Alta4ever]

It is you who failed the argument. not me.

This from the person that doesn't even know his own history. You are a willfully ignorant fool, that has been outclassed, out maneuvered and out debated, by everyone who posts in your threads.

You have been made to look the fool by your willful blind ignorance of fact.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Alta4ever

[Smallc]

Just enjoy the higher homicide rate and pay the jail cost.

Who has the higher what now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Latest numbers for China: 2.36. The same year, Canada was 1.86...and Canada's has fallen since.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Smallc

[xul]

I could reply these if you posted it in another thread.

Education is not what CAS care about, they want money, each child they take "in care" they can ask for government for over $30k a year.

From internet I find the information that when they send a kid to foster care,they give foster parents something like $1k a month.

Doctors also asks for government or insurance companies to pay their bill(maybe via their patients) after they treat their patients. That doesn't mean they will intentionally spread disease. It's is not odd that the CAS only pays a part of the fund which it gets from the government to foster parents, becasue it also needs to pay the bills such as the rent of its office and the salaries of its workers to keep itself operational. And in Canada, the price of almost everything is high so the cost of running the CAS may exceed the spending of fostering the children.

[bjre]

Who has the higher what now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Latest numbers for China: 2.36. The same year, Canada was 1.86...and Canada's has fallen since.

Thanks, you have find a mistake. I did not know the new number, I have moved to Canada too many years, I did not know western culture (especially movies from Hollywood) has changed China so much.

[bjre]

Doctors also asks for government or insurance companies to pay their bill(maybe via their patients) after they treat their patients. That doesn't mean they will intentionally spread disease.

I did not say that. However, doctors has their own problems, it is not this topic, there is some here.

It's is not odd that the CAS only pays a part of the fund which it gets from the government to foster parents, becasue it also needs to pay the bills such as the rent of its office and the salaries of its workers to keep itself operational. And in Canada, the price of almost everything is high so the cost of running the CAS may exceed the spending of fostering the children.

They use the money in findings, hired public relations firm; buying Luxury SUVs, Personal trips, all-inclusive resorts, and others. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/30/ont-childrensaid.html

Edited April 5, 2010 by bjre