Shwa Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Now, how are you going to end that ? You need a machine that looks into peoples' hearts to make it work. My friend had a marriage arranged for him in the old country from infancy. They had just arrived in Canada. When they reached adulthood, both parties thought the idea was quaint but had no intention to carry it through. And who says that Canada does not have any culture? Quote
Muddy Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 And who says that Canada does not have any culture? Trudeau did! Thats why we are discussing this today. He said he would create a culture for us since we lacked one based on Multiculturism. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Something like that... This is why it's called "reasonable accommodation". A good line in the sand is the turban/hat thing that RCMP agents may wear if required to. Well, I suppose I've no real problem with that. "Guarantee" just seemed to invoke the notion of inflexible absolutes, leading me to think of all sorts of costly inconveniences forced upon Crown institutions merely to accommodate the personal choices of some women. Quote
myata Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 In the meanwhile, Ignatieff's position coincides with that of CPC and on this issue as well: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100326/ignatieff_veil_100326/20100326?hub=TopStoriesV2 Looks like we're finally zeroing in on the perfect (and final) absolute consensus in the federal politics here. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
wyly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 1 .When a Gal does not have free choice because the culture dictates that the Father will make the choice should not be allowed in Canada. 2 and 3 There are decent people across canada are horrified ,me being one that this practice is allowed even though it is afainst the law. 4 As for who ever compared circumscion because of little boys are routinely done , the difference is obvious. It is for health reason as the parent sees fit with guidance from a Doctor when the boy child is an infant. The mutilation of a grown girl against her will for cultural reasons is a completely different matter. It has nothing to do with physical health, unless one pictures health as deterring sexual drive and enjoyment by a women. 1-it's cultural and none of your business they do as they please...2-arranged marriages are legal in Canada, traditionally we called it matchmaking 3-child marriages are illegal but if no one complains they continue 4-there is no difference, circumcision is ritual cultural mutilation it is not done for health reasons except on rare occasions on older boys and men... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Muddy Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 1-it's cultural and none of your business they do as they please... 2-arranged marriages are legal in Canada, traditionally we called it matchmaking 3-child marriages are illegal but if no one complains they continue 4-there is no difference, circumcision is ritual cultural mutilation it is not done for health reasons except on rare occasions on older boys and men... Pedophelia continues too but it is my business and yours as decent people to try and stop it. These cultural differences are beyond reasonable accomadation. I had no problem with the turban on mounties. In fact I think it looks darn sharp. The commonwealth had great Sihk allies in two world wars wearing the turban. Allies could be sure of bravery and the line not breaking with Sihk troops on your flank. Quote
wyly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Pedophelia continues too but it is my business and yours as decent people to try and stop it. These cultural differences are beyond reasonable accomadation. well you go down to Bountiful BC and tell the local RCMP you want to them to step in a lay charges and they'll tell you we need someone to come forward and verify they were forced into a child marriage...good luck with that... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Peter F Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 We can do something about female circumscion of pubescent Muslim females by outlawing and condemning this cultural practice here in Canada. Reasonable accomadation ? I don`t think that Canada should give reasonable accomadation to this practice or arranged marriages. Remember some of these arranged marriages are between children and old men. Toleration of our differences should end at a certain points. I find it so hard to believe ,that men and women on this board ,living in a free and civilized country can condone and defend these so called cultural differences.. Reasonable accomodation means reasonable accomodation - not unreasonable accomodation. Is female circumcision taking place in our hospitals? I have not heard that it is. Are marriages between children and old men (arranged or not) taking place in this country? Could be. I have not heart that they are. Considering the laws of sexual assault I can't imagine such marriages are being allowed. It seems to me you think these things are openly occurring despite the law. If they occur they are hidden and occur secretly for fear of the law. Just like all other crime. I have yet to hear of any immigrant accused of criminal action being excused by law due to 'reasonable accomodation'. I too find it " hard to believe ,that men and women on this board ,living in a free and civilized country can condone and defend these so called cultural differences..". I find it hard to believe because nobody does. at least in regards to the laws of the land. But I'll defend the wearing a burkha's. Even the Quebec Bill doesn't Ban the Burka as the OP claims. Even if passed as is people could still walk around wearing burkas. The burka isn't being banned. Nor should it be. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Even the Quebec Bill doesn't Ban the Burka as the OP claims. Even if passed as is people could still walk around wearing burkas. Many posters here seem to miss that rather important point. Quote
Argus Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Who has such a belief ? Are you kidding? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 ya but I don't feel the need to cover my butt in the city... really? Toronto has an estimated half million gays. Most of the rest seem to live in Vancouver or Montreal. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 Are you kidding? No. Can you answer it ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ToadBrother Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 well you go down to Bountiful BC and tell the local RCMP you want to them to step in a lay charges and they'll tell you we need someone to come forward and verify they were forced into a child marriage...good luck with that... You can lay all the charges you want, but without co-operative witnesses, your odds of a successful prosecution are so low as to be well-nigh impossible. Worse, if you keep trying to lay charges, eventually the courts are going to find you guilty of prosecutorial misconduct. You can't just keep charging people in the hopes that eventually you'll get a judge or a jury that will go along with it. That's abuse of process at its worst. I would love to shut down the guys in Bountiful, but until some credible individuals in the community are willing to co-operate, there's nothing to prosecute. Quote
wyly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 really? Toronto has an estimated half million gays. Most of the rest seem to live in Vancouver or Montreal. one in five T.O. residents are gay ....and there are no gays in the rural areas Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Mr.Canada Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Posted March 31, 2010 one in five T.O. residents are gay .... and there are no gays in the rural areas I don't understand what you're saying. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
wyly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 I don't understand what you're saying. Argus would have us believe all the gay people live in T.O., Vancouver and Montreal and it doesn't exist in rural regions...that out of 2.4 million people in T.O. 500,000 or 1 in 5 is gay... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Oleg Bach Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 ya but I don't feel the need to cover my butt in the city... The burka babes have their butts covered and no objectifying modernist western male is going to home and wack off about some Muslims wife...having said that- burkas breed arrogance and create a new elite...they actually think us infidels are dirt..and we are not fit to gaze upon them. Quote
wyly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 The burka babes have their butts covered and no objectifying modernist western male is going to home and wack off about some Muslims wife...having said that- burkas breed arrogance and create a new elite...they actually think us infidels are dirt..and we are not fit to gaze upon them. that's the same kind of generalizations I've heard a number forum members use to describe muslims... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wulf42 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) I think it should be banned but not because of any culture issues, it just makes for a more secure society.The Muslim community wants to fit into Canada they should at least meet us half way on certain customs. Edited March 31, 2010 by wulf42 Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 that's the same kind of generalizations I've heard a number forum members use to describe muslims... I AM joking for the most part...call it rhetorical humor and entertainment...Putting my foolishness aside...I do not stereo-type any group. But as my brothers used to say about me as a kid...'if you are wearing a suit of armor and there is a tiny hole in it - Oleg will find it and stick a pin in it".....it's a trait I inherited from my dominating and arrogant mother... Quote
wyly Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 I AM joking for the most part...call it rhetorical humor and entertainment...Putting my foolishness aside...I do not stereo-type any group. But as my brothers used to say about me as a kid...'if you are wearing a suit of armor and there is a tiny hole in it - Oleg will find it and stick a pin in it".....it's a trait I inherited from my dominating and arrogant mother... ok, if I re-read it with my rhetorical humor turned on it reads differently... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Oleg Bach Posted March 31, 2010 Report Posted March 31, 2010 ok, if I re-read it with my rhetorical humor turned on it reads differently... Frankly - the Europeanization and secularization is bull shit- no state should dictate against any tradition or religion when it comes to dress and symbols. THAT is what I truely believe--besides a hot chick in a full Berka was checking me out the other day-- there are human beings under there--and it is not oppressive..Watching a documentary about woman who wore the full burka..at home they have very liberating and even sexy outfits..it is a tradition about privacy and not ownership of woman...we want to secularize and slutify all woman in our society-- Our system fakes giving woman power-..the create the illusion-- and now in the work force woman are slaves just like men. Quote
Battletoads Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 I see no problem with this. If anyone has a problem with it we can give them the option of going back to their theocracy. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
myata Posted April 1, 2010 Report Posted April 1, 2010 How about giving ourselves an option to follow our own preachings - for others (something about personal liberties; freedom of thought; and as a consequence, to dress - no?) No, no such luck? Our western principles all so often only reach half of way - i.e exactly as far as they serve us. I'm free to dress as I like; you are also free - to do it in a way I like you to. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Mr.Canada Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Posted April 1, 2010 How about giving ourselves an option to follow our own preachings - for others (something about personal liberties; freedom of thought; and as a consequence, to dress - no?) No, no such luck? Our western principles all so often only reach half of way - i.e exactly as far as they serve us. I'm free to dress as I like; you are also free - to do it in a way I like you to. The face mask isn't a style of dress but a form of oppression. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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