Ban the Burka?

[Dave_ON]

I'd find nothing wrong with women walking down the street topless if they want. By all means

I think you'll find that the women that are inclined to do so, you'd prefer that they didn't. Much like most men who exercise this freedom.

[Wild Bill]

This burka owner most definitely did not win:

A young Muslim woman had died after her burkha became snagged in a go-kart.

The 24-year-old woman, who has not yet been named, died a terrifying death today when a fluttering part of her burkha became caught in the wheels of a go-kart she was driving near the town of Port Stephens, north of Sydney.

The Muslim clothing the woman was wearing flew back as she sped around the track and part of it became entangled in the go-kart's wheels.

This is indeed a tragedy. Still, this being Canada, I'm waiting for her family to sue the go-kart operation for providing inadequate safety...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1264535/Muslim-woman-strangled-burkha-freak-kart-accident.html

[Michael Hardner]

I saw a burka in the Eaton Centre today. I think there may have been a person inside it.

A different woman on the escalator said to another woman "where ? I don't see her".

It's a tourist thing now, apparently.

[GostHacked]

Nonsense...there were several more cases after 1991. Can women walk down the street topless in Ontario today without risking arrest? The answer is that a complaint will result in a citation or arrest, but prosecution will be arbitrary.

Now why don't you go back to high school...

IN Ontario they have the legal right to go topless. been like that for about 10+ years. It was party due to the incident you raised in your last post.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001737-504083.html

Topless women promoting the idea of being topless, hates it when other people stare or take pictures of them being topless. Mind you this is Maine USA.

[bush_cheney2004]

IN Ontario they have the legal right to go topless. been like that for about 10+ years. It was party due to the incident you raised in your last post....

Legal right, or legal right wherever men can go topless? That would mean some public places, but not all.

[Michael Hardner]

Legal right, or legal right wherever men can go topless? That would mean some public places, but not all.

Where is it illegal for men to go topless ?

[Mr.Canada]

Where is it illegal for men to go topless ?

This is slightly unrelated so I'm sorry but this post has already been derailed anyways. This is what the socialists do. If they cannot win a fight they derail the conversation in order to change the channel.

Now. Since this new and even before it I have never, ever seen a woman walking around topless, neither has anyone I know. If anyone has, post on it.

[Michael Hardner]

This is slightly unrelated so I'm sorry but this post has already been derailed anyways. This is what the socialists do. If they cannot win a fight they derail the conversation in order to change the channel.

Now. Since this new and even before it I have never, ever seen a woman walking around topless, neither has anyone I know. If anyone has, post on it.

I have seen it during Pride, I think.

And - by the by - I have been proactive on this post asking questions, and responding if I have a point to make. As I have said, I don't think it's unreasonable to provide some kind of accommodation here, and I suspect Charest of grandstanding.

Nobody has put together a good reason why some effort shouldn't be made.

[Mr.Canada]

I have seen it during Pride, I think.

And - by the by - I have been proactive on this post asking questions, and responding if I have a point to make. As I have said, I don't think it's unreasonable to provide some kind of accommodation here, and I suspect Charest of grandstanding.

Nobody has put together a good reason why some effort shouldn't be made.

Obviously during Pride, I cannot believe I of all people missed that one...lol too early when I posted I guess and before my morning tea. Ok any time other then Pride hehe.

Their must be a limit to accommodation. Women being forced to cover their entire bodies from head to toe is out of step with Canadians society. If they wish to live in an oppressed environment why not go live where this is the norm. This is a step in an effort is Islamify(sic) our society as they're doing in parts of Europe right now. I suspect that Sharia Law will make a come back at some point as well.

[CANADIEN]

Their must be a limit to accommodation. Women being forced to cover their entire bodies from head to toe is out of step with Canadians society. If they wish to live in an oppressed environment why not go live where this is the norm. This is a step in an effort is Islamify(sic) our society as they're doing in parts of Europe right now. I suspect that Sharia Law will make a come back at some point as well.

Here we go with the hyperbole again... A few hundreds women wearing the burka today, all being forced to convert tomorrow.

I am not in favour of the burka, and it is not unreasonable to expect people to uncover their face when using public services that requires identification. But the State has no business dictating what people should or should not wear.

[GostHacked]

Legal right, or legal right wherever men can go topless? That would mean some public places, but not all.

They have the legal right, period. I know you are trolling for something, but there is nothing to troll buddy.

[Michael Hardner]

Their must be a limit to accommodation. Women being forced to cover their entire bodies from head to toe is out of step with Canadians society. If they wish to live in an oppressed environment why not go live where this is the norm. This is a step in an effort is Islamify(sic) our society as they're doing in parts of Europe right now. I suspect that Sharia Law will make a come back at some point as well.

We don`t step in to stop oppressive practices of Judaism or Catholicism so why Islam ? And nobody is talking seriously about banning this form of dress across the board. There is no effort to Islamify Canada, but rather a general acceptance of other cultures.

You can`t in one breath accuse socialists of not being able to win an argument, then peppering your arguments with hyperbole and exaggeration such as saying `Sharia Law will make a come back`.

When you stop making silly statements like that, a lot of what you perceive as persecution will stop.

[bush_cheney2004]

They have the legal right, period. I know you are trolling for something, but there is nothing to troll buddy.

No shoes...no shirt...no service...buddy.

[Bonam]

No shoes...no shirt...no service...buddy.

Should try walking into restaurants in socks some time. Most of them will never notice you don't have shoes on.

[bush_cheney2004]

Should try walking into restaurants in socks some time. Most of them will never notice you don't have shoes on.

The abstraction vis-a-vis "burkhas" escaped Gosthacked. The observed behaviour and social expectation is that most men and women in Canada do not go topless in certain public and private venues. Still waiting for a topless HGTV home remodeling show with a topless Candice Olson.

[Bonam]

Still waiting for a topless HGTV home remodeling show...

Sounds like a moneymaker.

[a10khan]

I find it appalling that (what?) two dozen women who don the naqab in Quebec are dominating the national political agenda. There might have been one or two odd cases where women refused to remove the veil for security or identification purposes. Which indicates that a large majority of them would not have any problems with removing it for the aforementioned reasons.

Also, it is painfully ignorant to consider all women wearing a burkha (burkha and naqab are not one and the same things!) as being oppressed and rendered unequal. These women, generally, feel more protective wearing it and strongly believe it is a requirement in the religion. Whether it is really so is, is something which divides many a scholarly opinions. If the dress code offends others, well, that is just unfortunate than. I get offended by almost-naked men jogging or biking in summer or by micro-shorts, about to tear apart, worn by women in those 35 Celsius days in malls. But I understand it is their choice and they are not really harming or hurting anyone.

Point being, we don't live in a primitive society. This is the exact argument given by advocates of the ban. In a primitive culture, there is a lot of force used on implementing codes of conduct. Also, there is little, if any, choice in religion, lifestyle, etc. Canada can do better than that, much better.

Edited April 14, 2010 by a10khan

[Michael Hardner]

I find it appalling that (what?) two dozen women who don the naqab in Quebec are dominating the national political agenda. There might have been one or two odd cases where women refused to remove the veil for security or identification purposes. Which indicates that a large majority of them would not have any problems with removing it for the aforementioned reasons.

It's Charest who is making an issue of this, I suspect in order to grab headlines.

[MysTerri]

Would you disagree with my terming middle eastern cultures backward? Is it an opinion or is it a trueism?

Any culture that would want me to cover my head (just because I am a woman) can't possibly stand for anything I believe in. I don't want that kind of thinking sneaking its way into my wardrobe. And it makes everyone uncomfortable to see someone who is covered head to toe. Dressing like that only states, "I am separate from you and not part of your culture and I don't want to even try to be part of your culture. Who are you with no cover on your head?" How effing arrogant of these women. Don't they realize we don't WANT to HAVE to hide our heads in shame for being born women; it's not OUR culture and in fact it intrinsically stands AGAINST our culture with its meaning.

Those who engage in this form of dress don't mix well with Canadians and stay off to themselves, sending an air of not wanting to BE a part of OUR culture. Which only leaves one to wonder, with all their wife-in-laws and the one husband with their many, many children, are they remaining separate so that their kids will also NOT be a part of Canadian culture? Are they raising their kids to one day replace our culture with theirs? Why are we being so generous?

Didn't Omar Khadr's mother publicly state that she was PROUD to have raised a martyr?

Edited April 19, 2010 by MysTerri

[bloodyminded]

Are they raising their kids to one day replace our culture with theirs?

Nope.

[Muddy]

Any culture that would want me to cover my head (just because I am a woman) can't possibly stand for anything I believe in. I don't want that kind of thinking sneaking its way into my wardrobe. And it makes everyone uncomfortable to see someone who is covered head to toe. Dressing like that only states, "I am separate from you and not part of your culture and I don't want to even try to be part of your culture. Who are you with no cover on your head?" How effing arrogant of these women. Don't they realize we don't WANT to HAVE to hide our heads in shame for being born women; it's not OUR culture and in fact it intrinsically stands AGAINST our culture with its meaning.

Those who engage in this form of dress don't mix well with Canadians and stay off to themselves, sending an air of not wanting to BE a part of OUR culture. Which only leaves one to wonder, with all their wife-in-laws and the one husband with their many, many children, are they remaining separate so that their kids will also NOT be a part of Canadian culture? Are they raising their kids to one day replace our culture with theirs? Why are we being so generous?

Didn't Omar Khadr's mother publicly state that she was PROUD to have raised a martyr?

Finally a women who appreciates the freedoms hard won by strong women of yesterday. Thank you MysTerri.

[Michael Hardner]

Finally a women who appreciates the freedoms hard won by strong women of yesterday. Thank you MysTerri.

Yes, and to anyone who thought that 'Thought Police' were the exclusive fancy of the left...

I don't want that kind of thinking sneaking its way into my wardrobe.

[bloodyminded]

Finally a women who appreciates the freedoms hard won by strong women of yesterday. Thank you MysTerri.

"Finally," huh?

Speaks for itself, I guess.

[bloodyminded]

Yes, and to anyone who thought that 'Thought Police' were the exclusive fancy of the left...

I think only the political Right believes such a demonstrably foolish thing. Now, why don't you "support the troops," Michael?

Edited April 19, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Muddy]

Reading today that in Somalia in some quarters reminiscent of the Taliban women are now being tortured for improper Islamic dress. One wonders why any free women in North America would want to wear a symbol of male oppression.