South Korean Warship Allegedly Torpedoed by North Korea

[DogOnPorch]

Thats funny I see the opposite... It's South Korea thats taking a very carefull approach to this and trying to avoid the type of kneejerk reactionism you guys are recommending... VS a couple of guys on an internet forum thousands of miles outside potential blast radius that are beating the drums of war. Go figure.

Errr...I think it is NK that is beating the drums of war. Last I checked, M.Dancer hasn't sunk any ships.

[M.Dancer]

Errr...I think it is NK that is beating the drums of war. Last I checked, M.Dancer hasn't sunk any ships.

...there was a canoe on lake meecham in the 70s

[DogOnPorch]

...there was a canoe on lake meecham in the 70s

Beer torpedo?

[sharkman]

Problems is if youre the South Korean leader you have to weigh the isolated incidents that have taken place over the last 60 years against the cost of full scale war, and that equation isnt very tough to understand. Hes also aware of the fact that the Koreans who would die on both sides in such a war have nothing to do with these attacks. Not to mention he's likely being stenuously advised against it by all of their allies and every single military analyst on earth.

Perhaps you should direct your powers of analysis onto the leader of North Korea. We know by their actions historically that SK does not want a war. How about the actions of NK. Why do you think they sunk a SK ship? Why do you think they spend so much of what little they have on their military? Why do you think they signed a treaty and took large sums of money from the U.S. to not procure nuclear weapons and then procured them anyway?

Who is behaving better of the two? Is it possible that one of the two cares about lives lost in a war more than the other?

[dre]

Perhaps you should direct your powers of analysis onto the leader of North Korea. We know by their actions historically that SK does not want a war. How about the actions of NK. Why do you think they sunk a SK ship? Why do you think they spend so much of what little they have on their military? Why do you think they signed a treaty and took large sums of money from the U.S. to not procure nuclear weapons and then procured them anyway?

Who is behaving better of the two? Is it possible that one of the two cares about lives lost in a war more than the other?

Why do you think they signed a treaty and took large sums of money from the U.S. to not procure nuclear weapons and then procured them anyway?

The US failed to live up to that deal as well... They reneged on their promise to deliver a certain ammount of fosil fuels.

How about the actions of NK. Why do you think they sunk a SK ship?

Not sure yet... seems like a really stupid thing to do.

Why do you think they spend so much of what little they have on their military?

Might have somthing to do with the Korean war, and 40 thousand foreign troops amassed on their border? Not to mention some retarded cowboy named them as being part of an "axis of evil" then proceeded to destroy one of the other countries named.

Who is behaving better of the two? Is it possible that one of the two cares about lives lost in a war more than the other?

Of course. But that has no bearing on whether its in South Koreas best interests to escalate the sinking of a ship into a major regional war that will quite possible go nuclear.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Might have somthing to do with the Korean war, and 40 thousand foreign troops amassed on their border? Not to mention some retarded cowboy named them as being part of an "axis of evil" then proceeded to destroy one of the other countries named.

Looks like that "retarded cowboy" was right. LOL!

[sharkman]

Of course. But that has no bearing on whether its in South Koreas best interests to escalate the sinking of a ship into a major regional war that will quite possible go nuclear.

So now we see what crazy people with nukes do to their neighbors. And you think that the victim should just keep taking the abuse?

It is North Korea who is pushing the region towards war. With China giving silent approval and a leader of NK who is a nutbar, I can't understand why people are critical of SK's outrage.

[M.Dancer]

So now we see what crazy people with nukes do to their neighbors. And you think that the victim should just keep taking the abuse?

It is North Korea who is pushing the region towards war. With China giving silent approval and a leader of NK who is a nutbar, I can't understand why people are critical of SK's outrage.

In the bbc today a statement fron |China says it will not support or prop up anyonge responsible for the sinking...yet they have not accepted the findings yet, and suggest they will conduct their own investigation.

If china cuts NK loose....bombs away!

[Jack Weber]

In the bbc today a statement fron |China says it will not support or prop up anyonge responsible for the sinking...yet they have not accepted the findings yet, and suggest they will conduct their own investigation.

If china cuts NK loose....bombs away!

How much ya' wanna bet the Chinese have repeatedly told the North Koreans that they need to cut the antagonistic crap out because one of these days the Chinese are'nt going to come to their rescue?

I wonder if Bejing has had enough of the North Korean zaniness?

[bush_cheney2004]

.....If china cuts NK loose....bombs away!

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[DogOnPorch]

...a Quinn Martin Production

Good movie, too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041996/

[dre]

So now we see what crazy people with nukes do to their neighbors. And you think that the victim should just keep taking the abuse?

It is North Korea who is pushing the region towards war. With China giving silent approval and a leader of NK who is a nutbar, I can't understand why people are critical of SK's outrage.

Im not critical of SK's outrage. I think their response has been fairly carefull and well reasoned, which is exactly what Iv been advocating in this thread. As much as you guys are just cumming in your pants hoping for a big war you can watch on TV from thousands of miles away, the South Koreans dont find the idea quite so appealing.

[xul]

Just like the Israelis, they had a just to live under daily rocket attacks or to fight. I think fighting is better than being a sucker and getting killed anyway.

Since there has not been a war in the region for more than half a century and most people there grow up in peacetime, I don't think there are many people in East Aisa would consider things with an Israeli way.

And this was the prime goal which the political leaders were up to when they gathered in SK a few days ago.

S.Korea, China, Japan move towards free trade bloc

SEOGWIPO, South Korea (AFP) – South Korea, China and Japan Saturday called for free-trade talks aimed at eventually creating a single economic bloc to be speeded up, as their leaders met for a three-way summit.

The calls came as South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak hosted the two-day summit, joined by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, to discuss regional security and economic issues.

South Korea has for years been in separate free-trade talks with China and Japan, but with little progress.

"A South Korea-Japan FTA (free trade agreement) would contribute to developing the bilateral relations on a mid- and long-term basis," Lee told Hatoyama during their bilateral summit, according to Lee's spokesman.

As for those belligerent statements from political leaders of both side of Korea, they are more likely for speaking to their own people to save the leaders' faces than to threaten their rivals. I think Koreans have already been worn on hearing such statement and this is why they don't take it seriously.

The South's goal is to push China to agree an UN sanction over the North, so the political leader of South could declare a diplomatic victory and make people forgetting the incompetence of the government and military as soon as posible. Meanwhile, the ruler of North is fully aware that he has to wave his "nuclear deterrence" again, so China could speak to the South, "of course, you have our full sympathy. But for your sake, do you think it is wise to escalate the situation?"

Then, over time, the event will be forgotten and become history, just like other similar events happened before.

Edited May 30, 2010 by xul