Anne Coulter comes to Canada

[Michael Hardner]

Yeah. She sounds like she goes over the top. The more I find out about her, the more I think she's an entertainer.

That doesn't excuse her from spreading misinformation and even hatred, if she does so.

This is why Robert Young had to say "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV.". She doesn't ever seem to say "I"m not a journalist but I play one on TV." Glen Beck, on the other hand, has come out and said that he believes in Global Warming although his TV persona is that of a rabid denier.

[Shady]

Another common criticism of her seems to be about the money that she makes from her livelihood. Who cares? Why is it an issue with Ann Coulter, but not anybody else? Michael Moore makes millions of dollars from his shtick. I don't hear the same criticisms directed at him. I don't hear phrases like "running all the way to the bank" in association with his profession. Check that. He probably walks, or calls a cab. He's about 200 lbs overweight. Doesn't do much running!

And this nonsense about her spreading misinformation and hatred is ridiculous. Again, I don't see the same standards applied to others the way they're applied to her. Michael Moore is about as disingenious as it gets in his documentaries. Check that. He doesn't even refer to them as documentaries anymore. And lets not forget about Bill Maher. Making jokes about wishing certain Republicans and Conservatives dead and/or assassinated. Why does he escape this so-called standard of misinformation and hate?

[DrGreenthumb]

Which is why it's completely bogus. I'd be surprised if it's even heard.

They should never have let this racist cow into the country in the first place. She said that muslim's should not be allowed on airplanes, that they should use their "magic carpets" instead. When asked about the quote she said alternatively they should ride their camels. If anyone should be charged with a hate crime it is coulter herself.

[Shady]

Is this the legal standard HRC's use in determining cases?

I think the point is that she's going to try to use the system against itself to show its flaws.

That's fine, but there are a few things working against her:

1 ) The fact that she's American won't play well, politically. And political damage is the goal of this initiative.

2 ) The fact that she's unable to control herself when under scrutiny. You can see this behavior of hers in interviews. Not sure if it's the uncontrollable rage, or the craziness.

3 ) She's not a group of anything.

Who care's if she's American? So what if it doesn't play well? So if somebody from another country is encountered with a human rights abuse in Canada, we look the other way if they're not Canadian? This point about her not being Canadian definitely doesn't hold much legal water when it comes to possible human rights abuses.

Again, what does it matter if in your opinion she's unable to control herself? Is it a crime to be obnoctious during interviews? And where in Canadian law does it state that if you're temperment is bad, and your behavior during interviews is less than exemplary, human rights abuses are condoned in our country?

And the last time I checked, Women are a group. White Women are a group. And White, Christian. Women are a group. Some could even argue that White, Christian, Conservative women are a group. And globally speaking, they're a very small minority!

[Guest American Woman]

This is gonna be fun to watch! My guess is that Francois Houle retracts his remarks and makes an apology. However, I'm not sure that'll be sufficient enough for Ann to drop grievance with the HRC.

How was asking her to be considerate "inciting hate?" Obviously she doesn't understand Canada's hate law any better than she understands who fought in Vietnam (ie: not Canada).

[Shady]

They should never have let this racist cow into the country

Ah, there's more of that intellectual discourse from the left!

[Bonam]

Anything to expose the idiocy of the HRC system.

[fellowtraveller]

The HRCs have become our version of public theater.

Mostly improv.

[nicky10013]

Ah, there's more of that intellectual discourse from the left!

Not to be picky but I've yet to see anything that could be remotely regarded as intellectual discourse from you.

[Guest American Woman]

And the last time I checked, Women are a group. White Women are a group. And White, Christian. Women are a group. Some could even argue that White, Christian, Conservative women are a group. And globally speaking, they're a very small minority!

Women aren't included as one of the identifiable groups that the hate law pertains to: not matter how you try to make her into an identifiable group, you just aren't succeeding.

An identifiable group is defined as any section of the public distinguished by:

colour

race

religion

ethnic origin

sexual orientation

[Argus]

I don't know or care.

I would be interested in the answer. For example, the UofO recently hosted the Israeli Apartheid week, complete with numerous foreign speakers who we can presume hate a hate on for Israel. Were any of them warned to watch their mouths in Canada?

I'm guessing nooooooooooo.

[nicky10013]

Another common criticism of her seems to be about the money that she makes from her livelihood. Who cares? Why is it an issue with Ann Coulter, but not anybody else? Michael Moore makes millions of dollars from his shtick. I don't hear the same criticisms directed at him. I don't hear phrases like "running all the way to the bank" in association with his profession. Check that. He probably walks, or calls a cab. He's about 200 lbs overweight. Doesn't do much running!

And this nonsense about her spreading misinformation and hatred is ridiculous. Again, I don't see the same standards applied to others the way they're applied to her. Michael Moore is about as disingenious as it gets in his documentaries. Check that. He doesn't even refer to them as documentaries anymore. And lets not forget about Bill Maher. Making jokes about wishing certain Republicans and Conservatives dead and/or assassinated. Why does he escape this so-called standard of misinformation and hate?

So you're saying Michael Moore is the same as Anne Coulter? There's a massive difference. Yes Michael Moore is short with the facts, but the primary difference between him and Anne Coulter is he attacks the ideology. She can't distinguish the group of people from the actual people she hates. Rather than calling out Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, she regularly hurls racial epithets arguing that Muslims shouldn't have the same rights as we do. In her warped mind, if you worship allah you're secretly trying to wipe out the American people.

Though I rarely take seriously anything Michael Moore says, please point out to me where he's made widespread racist remarks.

As for Bill Maher, he's a comedian. He's supposed to make fun of people. It's what he does.

[capricorn]

That doesn't excuse her from spreading misinformation

Misinformation is thrown at us everyday from a variety of sources. Top of mind is the advertising industry that make all kinds of exaggerated claims about the products they peddle. And don't get me started about politicians. Most people with a brain can resist the manipulation.

and even hatred, if she does so.

What is considered hatred is in the eye of the beholder. Think of some of the rabid opinions from whack jobs from other countries about westerners and about anyone who is not muslim. I'm certain some folks in those countries share their opinions but keep their thoughts to themselves.

[Argus]

Who the heck is Anne Coulter? Some kind of comedian?

Gee, I would have thought a conservative would know that...

[M.Dancer]

Women aren't included as one of the identifiable groups that the hate law pertains to: not matter how you try to make her into an identifiable group, you just aren't succeeding.

An identifiable group is defined as any section of the public distinguished by:

colour

race

religion

ethnic origin

sexual orientation

Women are indeed included, but not just women, anyone with a gender....

Section 3(1) provides that "the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for which a pardon has been granted."

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/publications/report_moon_rapport/page2-en.asp

So she could claim that as a white, American, Christian, Female, of a certain age and marital status, inclined sexually towards something or another, with boney wrists....

[Argus]

Coulter is an idiot and anyone who supports her is just as much of an idiot. There is no way to spin this in any direction. She is nothing more than an attention whore. Just turn her off and walk away. Best thing to do in this case.

Kinda like Al Gore, eh?

[Argus]

Rather than calling out Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, she regularly hurls racial epithets arguing that Muslims shouldn't have the same rights as we do.

I'm curious here. If she's warped for thinking that - are all the Muslims who feel Christians and Jews should not have the same rights as they do in their countries also warped? Because that's probably the majority of the Muslim world. Certainly I can't think of any majority Muslim country where other religious groups have the same rights and religious freedoms as Muslims.

[Argus]

They should never have let this racist cow into the country in the first place.

I bet if she smoked pot you'd be fine with her. :-P

She said that muslim's should not be allowed on airplanes, that they should use their "magic carpets" instead. When asked about the quote she said alternatively they should ride their camels. If anyone should be charged with a hate crime it is coulter herself.

I thought that was pretty funny, actually.

[Argus]

Women aren't included as one of the identifiable groups that the hate law pertains to: not matter how you try to make her into an identifiable group, you just aren't succeedin

I think the point is to mock the HRCs, maybe cause trouble for the idiots at UofO who sent out the letter, force them to justify sending it, and get publicity.

[Guest American Woman]

Women are indeed included, but not just women, anyone with a gender....

Section 3(1) provides that "the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for which a pardon has been granted."

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/publications/report_moon_rapport/page2-en.asp

I was thinking of the hate law, not the human rights law, so I was on the wrong track .....

Edited March 23, 2010 by American Woman

[Shady]

I think the point is to mock the HRCs, maybe cause trouble for the idiots at UofO who sent out the letter, force them to justify sending it, and get publicity.

Yep, exactly. But apparently for some people in this forum, that concept flies completely over their heads.

[Guest American Woman]

I think the point is to mock the HRCs, maybe cause trouble for the idiots at UofO who sent out the letter, force them to justify sending it, and get publicity.

Or maybe just make her look like a whiny hypocrite.

There's nothing there for her to have any basis for any grievance. The only people who are going to support her are those who already kiss her ass, while it makes her look like an even bigger ignoramus to the rest of the population.

[M.Dancer]

That's from Canada's Human Rights Act, not Canada's Hate Law.

Yeah..what so you think, the law is called "Canada Hate Law"?

2. Canadian Hate Speech Law

(a) An Overview of Canadian Hate Speech Law

Given that she wants to have the HRC tackle the issue...

I’m sure the Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of it,”

Edited March 23, 2010 by M.Dancer

[Argus]

Or maybe just make her look like a whiny hypocrite.

There's nothing there for her to have any basis for any grievance. The only people who are going to support her are those who already kiss her ass, while it makes her look like an even bigger ignoramus to the rest of the population.

I don't see it that way. I don't think anyone will believe she's serious in her complaint - presuming she ever files one. The only point will be to make the creaky machinery clank and turn and stutter aimlessly for a few months - and perhaps get the guy at UofO to admit they've never sent any similar letters, even to international speakers noted for supporting terrorism. It's mockery. "I'm a Christian white woman who is being attacked because of my religious and political beliefs! Look at ahow two-faced those lefties are!"

[bush_cheney2004]

There's nothing there for her to have any basis for any grievance....

Irrelevant, as the grievance is still fine political theatre on top of the existing circus seen so far. Houle fell right into his own trap. Meanwhile back at the ranch, Coulter sells more books and earns more appearance fees.