Great Tea Party Ad!

[Smallc]

Eventually, one of those is going to be for homosexuality. What do we do when this is available and treatable?

Nothing, because it doesn't concern you, me, or anyone else. Reading between the lines, you make what you think quite clear.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Smallc

[fanofavs]

My first reaction was that a "Great Tea Party Ad" is probably a lot like a "Great Dealcoholized Beer" or a "Great Rice Cake". How great could it really be?

There IS an interesting question behind what Olbermann is asking. As punked points out, American blacks and Hispanic voters in great majority vote Democrat. And while Olbermann might have been wrong in claiming the "tea parties" are an entirely white phenomenon, it's probably not much of an exaggeration.

So ... why is there such an obvious racial divide? Is there anything inherently racist about the "tea parties" or Republican policies in general?

I'd suggest, no. It's not the policies and opinions themselves that have a racial attachment. I'd suggest that it's more like a hockey game. Minorities aren't excluded, per se, it's just that there's a perception that it's for white people, and minorities aren't interested.

-k

More than 50% of Hispanics in Texas identify themselves as conservative.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/022410dntexhisppolitics.39fae92.html

[Oleg Bach]

Nice rewrite of history he left ESPN burning bridges along the way.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2005-06-13-olbermann-espn_x.htm

What is this Punked again calls someone on a lie AND POSTS A CITATION. Seems like a pattern is forming here among myself and the right wing members of the board.

Don't see any right wingers or real lefties here. I do see some brutes and trembling cowards..I guess that's what you meant..those that do the punching are right and those that take it are left..but not standing.

[Shady]

Nothing, because it doesn't concern you, me, or anyone else.

Actually it does. It should concern all of society. Just as other genetic engineering issues should, such as cloning. You're dodging the issue because you don't have an answer. Instead you resort to spinning and lying.

[Shady]

Fox cites Research 2000 dailykos polls all the time sorry Shady a swing and a miss.

http://animalnewyork.com/2010/02/fox-news-uses-poll-that-bill-oreilly-and-karl-rove-despise/

OHHHHH NO Punked with another citation. These last few days I have been on fire with the FACTS it must be killing you and the lies.

Actually, your citation only illustrates a Research 2000 poll, not a DailyKos poll. Better luck next time.

[Smallc]

Actually it does. It should concern all of society. Just as other genetic engineering issues should, such as cloning. You're dodging the issue because you don't have an answer.

I have the answer. I don't want people who aren't sick to be fixed. You're the only one lying and spinning.

[punked]

Actually, your citation only illustrates a Research 2000 poll, not a DailyKos poll. Better luck next time.

Actually it was a Research 2000 put in the field by the Dailykos, all Kos polls are Research 2000 polls Shady. It was the exact same type of poll you reject, maybe do some research next time. A SWING AND A MISS.

[Shady]

all Kos polls are Research 2000 polls Shady.

Yes, but not all Research 2000 polls are DailyKos polls. Swing and a miss!!!

[Shady]

I have the answer. I don't want people who aren't sick to be fixed.

Nobody is saying gay people are sick. And nobody is saying that gay people need to be fixed. Again, you're just pushing lies and spin to deflect from answering the real issues at play. Maybe you shouldn't be posting with grown-ups if you're unable to wrap your mind around grown-up issues.

[punked]

Yes, but not all Research 2000 polls are DailyKos polls. Swing and a miss!!!

But this one was a Research 2000 Daily Kos poll that Fox news used. Here it is.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2010/1/31/US/437

A swing and a miss. Keep up the misinformed lies and everything you say will be meaningless.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/8/835004/-Bill-OReilly,-Karl-Rove-pwnd-by-their-own-network?

Again Shady citations which prove you are a liar, I expect you wont reply to this as you never reply to the countless times you have proven wrong, because you are just always wrong.

[punked]

Nobody is saying gay people are sick. And nobody is saying that gay people need to be fixed. Again, you're just pushing lies and spin to deflect from answering the real issues at play. Maybe you shouldn't be posting with grown-ups if you're unable to wrap your mind around grown-up issues.

Accept as shown earlier in the thread Republicans by a huge majority say Gays shouldn't be allowed to teach Shady. It was a poll done by a company even Fox news cites.

[Oleg Bach]

Actually it does. It should concern all of society. Just as other genetic engineering issues should, such as cloning. You're dodging the issue because you don't have an answer. Instead you resort to spinning and lying.

A politican in waiting--or maybe in the early stages of training?

[Shady]

It was a poll done by a company even Fox news cites.

They cited Research 2000, not DailyKos. I'm pretty sure if they knew it was one of the hatchet-job DailyKos polls, they wouldn't have cited it.

Here's a great article from the L.A. Times, discussing why DailyKos polls aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Their methodology is extremely flawed.

Poll results that are poles apart

Daily Kos, an influential liberal website, recently released a poll showing that San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom was just nine points behind Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown in the Democratic primary race for governor.

Then it was reported and re-blasted by "The Fix" at the Washington Post, one of the top political sites in the country. Within 12 hours, this characterization of California's race for governor became received wisdom.

There was only one problem with this wisdom: It was wrong.

The incident illustrates how political misinformation and misinterpretation can be more viral than the truth in the Internet News Age, as reporting on polls pulses through the electronic highway, launched by news organizations with little time to evaluate and sift the quality of research.

L.A. Times

This is how DailyKos conducts all of its polls, and they specifically ask Research 2000 to poll in this fashion. They use Research 2000 for the name, so it lends credibility to the results, even though they're specifically asking for skewed and flawed methodology. Because as the article states, in the 24 hour news media world, nobody really checks the methodology of polls anymore. There isn't really enough time in the news cycle to do so.

This citation just proves my point. DailyKos polls are constructed to reflect a certain view point, and should be treated as any other piece of propaganda gets treated. Punked, you really need to elevate the standard of your sources. I stick to posting from actual news organizations. However, you continue a pattern of posting soley from talking points memo, huffington post, dailykos, etc. This undermines your credibility, and makes whatever point you're trying to make moot.

Here's a list of media outlets you should try to use instead of liberal leftwing blogs.

CNN

MSNBC

NBC

ABC

CBS

Associated Press

Politco

Real Clear Politics

Washington Post

New York Times.

I couldn't list them all, as there are several others, but I think you get the point. This way you avoid looking like a complete political hack, and more of an honest broker. That's why I used these types of sources instead of right-leaning blogs. Follow my lead and you just might get somewhere.

[kimmy]

Teabagging is not necessarily a gay thing. I think it's just fun to say.

Tea bagging isn't a homosexual thing you know that right? It can be and is done between and man and woman as well. I think it is a bit offensive you think it is a "homosexual thing". Stereotype much?

Teabagging has nothing specifically to do with being homosexual.

Suuuure, guys.

While this is theoretically an activity that a heterosexual couple could engage in, I think we're all aware that the phrase itself has a strong connotation of homosexual activity and is strongly associated with gay males, not heterosexual couples.

When somebody starts off a joke "four blonds walk into a bar..." nobody is picturing four men, and when people are calling the tea party people "teabaggers" nobody is picturing heterosexual couples either.

Cooper and Maddow are certainly aware of the connotation, even if you guys aren't. Trying to rationalize the comment by ignoring the gay connotation of the term is just a dodge. Basically, Cooper and Maddow are having fun calling the tea party people a bunch of fags, and you're trying to excuse them for it.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

....While this is theoretically an activity that a heterosexual couple could engage in, I think we're all aware that the phrase itself has a strong connotation of homosexual activity and is strongly associated with gay males, not heterosexual couples.

WTF? Are you joking....or just don't get out much? I can assure you from experience that no such distinction is made in practice.

[Shady]

WTF? Are you joking....or just don't get out much? I can assure you from experience that no such distinction is made in practice.

Maybe from where you live, but I've found there to be a very gay connotation to the term teabagging. When friends and I jokingly refer to eachother as teabaggers, there isn't an assumption any girl is involved.

[bush_cheney2004]

Maybe from where you live, but I've found there to be a very gay connotation to the term teabagging. When friends and I jokingly refer to eachother as teabaggers, there isn't an assumption any girl is involved.

...really doesn't matter to the "teabag"...if you know what I mean.

[Guest American Woman]

I have to say .... I never thought "gay" regarding teabagging. That it's supposedly predominantly a gay thing is news to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

I have to say .... I never thought "gay" regarding teabagging. That it's supposedly predominantly a gay thing is news to me.

Agreed....no way it's only "gay"....I guess those uptight religious rednecks in America just know how to have a better time than some in Canada!

[punked]

They cited Research 2000, not DailyKos. I'm pretty sure if they knew it was one of the hatchet-job DailyKos polls, they wouldn't have cited it.

Here's a great article from the L.A. Times, discussing why DailyKos polls aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Their methodology is extremely flawed.

This is how DailyKos conducts all of its polls, and they specifically ask Research 2000 to poll in this fashion. They use Research 2000 for the name, so it lends credibility to the results, even though they're specifically asking for skewed and flawed methodology. Because as the article states, in the 24 hour news media world, nobody really checks the methodology of polls anymore. There isn't really enough time in the news cycle to do so.

This citation just proves my point. DailyKos polls are constructed to reflect a certain view point, and should be treated as any other piece of propaganda gets treated. Punked, you really need to elevate the standard of your sources. I stick to posting from actual news organizations. However, you continue a pattern of posting soley from talking points memo, huffington post, dailykos, etc. This undermines your credibility, and makes whatever point you're trying to make moot.

Here's a list of media outlets you should try to use instead of liberal leftwing blogs.

CNN

MSNBC

NBC

ABC

CBS

Associated Press

Politco

Real Clear Politics

Washington Post

New York Times.

I couldn't list them all, as there are several others, but I think you get the point. This way you avoid looking like a complete political hack, and more of an honest broker. That's why I used these types of sources instead of right-leaning blogs. Follow my lead and you just might get somewhere.

If the polls are good enough for Fox Shady it should be good enough for you. You Told they are fair and balanced Shady, now you don't even trust the polls fox cites. So who do you trust? Only polls you like? Ok well of course because you are not after the truth right?

As for you posting sources you don't so I guess some citation is better then the nothing you come up with.

Edited February 27, 2010 by punked

[Shady]

Agreed....no way it's only "gay"

Nobody is saying that it's only gay.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nobody is saying that it's only gay.

...but somebody said it's a gay "connotation". You!

[Shady]

...but somebody said it's a gay "connotation". You!

Exactly. Saying that something has a gay connotation doesn't mean that it's a gay only practice.

Connotation: is a subjective cultural and/or emotional coloration in addition to the explicit or denotative meaning of any specific word or phrase

The key phrase is subjective. You may not share the connotation, but others do.

[bush_cheney2004]

The key phrase is subjective. You may not share the connotation, but others do.

Correct...I prefer to share reality.

[Shady]

Correct...I prefer to share reality.

I have no doubt that where you live and/or grew up, certain terms have different meanings. But I'm not sure why you're being so obtuse as to not acknowledge that they might not have the same meanings in other places.