DogOnPorch Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Migs are not WmDs. Duh! But, it and others were found in the desert. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Duh! But, it and others were found in the desert. :) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 18, 2010 Report Posted February 18, 2010 Duh! But, it and others were found in the desert. Of course. It's all so clear now. Because of this we were immediately washed of all our sins and forevermore blessed with the innocence of a lamb. How perfectly brilliant. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Since you're going to play stupid: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You're using a common logical falacy called 'Appealing to Ignorance'. http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
sharkman Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 No DoP, I think I see it all so clearly now. The West, with its decadent ways and military industrial complex, as well as the environmental industrial complex, is heavy handedly running all over the good peoples of the world to achieve its goals. Profit. Expansion. Freedom. Women's rights. Feeding the hungry. Haitian Relief. It's a witches brew that will surely reap a whirlwind. It must be stopped. I know they don't actually want to expand their borders or force their religion on anybody, but the U.S. is indeed Satan. Ralph Lauren, Cadillac, and the American way it's enslavers. I've only survived the deluge by realizing I need to hate myself, hate the U.S., Israel and the West in general, and love any entity that opposes them. Long live Iran. Long live NK. Long live H1N1. I think I'll head over to Vancouver and bash in some windows. Wish me luck! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 No DoP, I think I see it all so clearly now. The West, with its decadent ways and military industrial complex, as well as the environmental industrial complex, is heavy handedly running all over the good peoples of the world to achieve its goals. Profit. Expansion. Freedom. Women's rights. Feeding the hungry. Haitian Relief. It's a witches brew that will surely reap a whirlwind. It must be stopped. I know they don't actually want to expand their borders or force their religion on anybody, but the U.S. is indeed Satan. Ralph Lauren, Cadillac, and the American way it's enslavers. I've only survived the deluge by realizing I need to hate myself, hate the U.S., Israel and the West in general, and love any entity that opposes them. Long live Iran. Long live NK. Long live H1N1. I think I'll head over to Vancouver and bash in some windows. Wish me luck! :D Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Duh! But, it and others were found in the desert. MiGs are not WMDs. Regardless of what you and BC think. They were there to look for WMDs. None were found. End of story! http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/19/iran.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T2 "Iran will not get emotional in its response to these nonsensical statements, because we have often said that our religious tenets and beliefs consider these kinds of weapons of mass destruction to be symbols of genocide and are, therefore, forbidden and considered to be haram (religiously banned)," he said. Like I said, even if Iran gets the bomb, it won't be a big deal. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) MiGs are not WMDs. Regardless of what you and BC think. They were there to look for WMDs. None were found. End of story! No...not the end of the story. Iraq was found to be in material breach of Gulf War surrender instruments vis-a-vis missile ranges, remnant artillery shells, mustard gas, etc. Like I said..... ...OK....bombs for everybody! Edited February 19, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 MiGs are not WMDs. Regardless of what you and BC think. They were there to look for WMDs. None were found. End of story! http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/19/iran.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T2 Like I said, even if Iran gets the bomb, it won't be a big deal. Nobody other than you and bloodyminded suggested that MiG-25s are weapons of mass destruction. What it does illustrate is that Saddam liked to bury things in the desert. Re: WMDs. Still missing are the precursors for Saddam's VX program. Are you saying they never existed thus were never used on Kurds and Iranians? Re: Iran and the bomb. Why is it no big deal that Iran...a fanatical religious dictatorship...gets atomic weapons and ICBMs? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 So it proves that they buried things. But no proof of WMDs. And no I do not fear Iran getting the bomb. I simply don't buy that they are doing it for offensive purposes. It will be the reason they don't get invaded. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 So it proves that they buried things. But no proof of WMDs. And no I do not fear Iran getting the bomb. I simply don't buy that they are doing it for offensive purposes. It will be the reason they don't get invaded. So WMDs never existed? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Also, if you think the fear of a small fission weapon being used on the battlefield would stop the USA, you're smoking some good stuff there, mahn. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 So WMDs never existed? Now that is being a bit facetious. They did have WMDs. Ask the Kurds. But to say that they had them just prior to the 2003 invasion is stretching it a bit far as I see it. The first gulf war took care of their power distribution and their nuclear research facilities. A decade of tough sanctions and no fly zones tells me the Allies did not do their job right, or that Iraq did not posses the WMDs at that time. Also, if you think the fear of a small fission weapon being used on the battlefield would stop the USA, you're smoking some good stuff there, mahn. Can you explain why North Korea has the bomb? Are they not part of the Axis of Evil? Even a poor ass country like NK that is isolationist in all aspects was able to get the bomb. Threats and sanctions did not prevent them getting the bomb. NK is crazy enough to use them too. We hear now and then how NK is holding SK hostage. Blah blah. Again, I don't fear Iran getting the bomb. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Pakistan gave N Korea the technology for their bomb. Look up A.Q. Khan. So WMDs (nerve gas in particular) did exist in Iraq...but they mysteriously evaporated due to sanctions. Do you want to stick with that theory? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Pakistan gave N Korea the technology for their bomb. Look up A.Q. Khan. So WMDs (nerve gas in particular) did exist in Iraq...but they mysteriously evaporated due to sanctions. Do you want to stick with that theory? No. The sanctions prevented them from acquiring any new materials to work with. They never had the chance to reconstruct their WMD programs. That is what I am saying. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 ....So WMDs (nerve gas in particular) did exist in Iraq...but they mysteriously evaporated due to sanctions. Do you want to stick with that theory? ...they also wanted 240,000 coalition troops to just go camping in Kuwait to prove it....with resumed inspections! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 No. The sanctions prevented them from acquiring any new materials to work with. They never had the chance to reconstruct their WMD programs. That is what I am saying. You're aware how VX works? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 ...they also wanted 240,000 coalition troops to just go camping in Kuwait to prove it....with resumed inspections! I find it amusing that burying the stuff or shipping it to Syria are simply out of the question. Must be too easy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 [quote name='GostHacked' date='19 February 2010 - 10:28 AM' Like I said, even if Iran gets the bomb, it won't be a big deal. If by no big deal, you mean Israel also getting the bomb and a regional WMD arms race encompassing every nation bring the region closer to all out war...I agree. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bloodyminded Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 I find it amusing that burying the stuff or shipping it to Syria are simply out of the question. Must be too easy. Yeah, the Bush administration must be a bunch of anti-war propagandists, lying to us that they were wrong about the WMDs. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
GostHacked Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 If by no big deal, you mean Israel also getting the bomb and a regional WMD arms race encompassing every nation bring the region closer to all out war...I agree. So if Iran gets the bomb, Israel has to get the bomb as well? Sure I don't see an issue with that either. It seems to be an open secret that they already posses nuclear weapons. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Yeah, the Bush administration must be a bunch of anti-war propagandists, lying to us that they were wrong about the WMDs. Don't worry, I won't burst your bubble re: nerve gas and chemical warfare. It never existed. In fact, it doesn't exist anywhere. Chemical warfare is a construct of the American military complex to dupe citizens like myself into living in a state of fear. Remember all those pictures of chemical warfare during World War 1? Totally fake. Abyssinian...also a huge fake just to make Mussolini look bad. This is also why the Holocaust is a hoax. Since nerve gas and such simply do not exist, it is impossible that Jews got gassed during WW2 in concentration camps. The Cold War was also faked...just so the Illuminati could get rich on weapons production. Not to mention....etc, etc. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
KeyStone Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) I find it amusing that burying the stuff or shipping it to Syria are simply out of the question. Must be too easy. No one is saying that it's inconceivable that Iraq shipped WMD to Syria or buried them. What they are saying, is that it's inconceivable that not a single person in Iraq can provide proof of the existence of these alleged weapons, despite the fact that the Baath party is gone, the Husseins are dead, and certain interests in the US would make these people rich if they could produce such information. Not one person. In all of Iraq. That is the part that is inconceivable. Add to that the fact that most of the evidence that the US had of 'proof' that Iraq had WMD was bogus. It was mobile weather stations, and a very ambitious ex-Iraqi by the name of Ahmed Chalabi making up stories, in order to have the US set him up as the new leader of Iraq. The reasons for the invasion flip-flopped more than John Kerry making pancakes. The US intended to go in no matter what, and we all know it. The final reason for going in was essentially that they didn't have their books in order. Geez, amazing that things go missing, when you're under sanctions for 10 years and occasionally bombed. Edited February 19, 2010 by KeyStone Quote
sharkman Posted February 20, 2010 Report Posted February 20, 2010 You must have not heard about General Georges or you missed my post. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Posted February 20, 2010 ....The reasons for the invasion flip-flopped more than John Kerry making pancakes. The US intended to go in no matter what, and we all know it. The final reason for going in was essentially that they didn't have their books in order. Geez, amazing that things go missing, when you're under sanctions for 10 years and occasionally bombed. So bombings are OK compared to invasions? No wonder Kosovo was so popular in Canada! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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