punked Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 One Republican Senator has put a hold on 70 Obama nominations, I think someone needs to remind this guy he isn't the president Obama is. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/report-shelby-blocks-all-obama-nominations-in-the-senate-over-al-earmarks.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 And someone needs to remind you that the US Senate confirms nominations.....not Obama. Welcome to hardball politics....same as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 And someone needs to remind you that the US Senate confirms nominations.....not Obama. Welcome to hardball politics....same as before. Good let the Senate approve them then! One Senator does not approve nominees. System is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Good let the Senate approve them then! One Senator does not approve nominees. System is broken.The Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for a year and what have they done with it?Now, they are back to the real world of "bi-partisan" politics. Pelosi and the others cannot do it their way. BTW, I happen to think that Obama is better at compromise than he is at one-party rule. With the way things are going, I think Obama will be a more productive president after 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 The Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for a year and what have they done with it? Now, they are back to the real world of "bi-partisan" politics. Pelosi and the others cannot do it their way. BTW, I happen to think that Obama is better at compromise than he is at one-party rule. With the way things are going, I think Obama will be a more productive president after 2010. Doesn't have anything to do with 1 guy holding up 70 departments in the governments who haven't been led for 8 months because he hates democracy, just let them vote on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 One Republican Senator has put a hold on 70 Obama nominations, I think someone needs to remind this guy he isn't the president Obama is. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/report-shelby-blocks-all-obama-nominations-in-the-senate-over-al-earmarks.php Time to pull out that ol' constitution there. The President does not have the power to simply appoint, that durned ol' Senate's got a say. Maybe you should pose that question in reverse. Welcome to the checks and balances of the American constitution. A beauty to behold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 BTW, I happen to think that Obama is better at compromise than he is at one-party rule. With the way things are going, I think Obama will be a more productive president after 2010. Obama wouldn't be the first Democratic president who had more problems when both houses were controlled by his fellow party members than when the GOP was running the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Time to pull out that ol' constitution there. The President does not have the power to simply appoint, that durned ol' Senate's got a say. Maybe you should pose that question in reverse. Welcome to the checks and balances of the American constitution. A beauty to behold. He isn't appointing I would love for the Senate to vote and approve or disapprove of these nominees, the problem is they can't. He could nominate Karl Marx, Jesus, or Reagan none of them would get a vote right now because ONE MAN is holding them up. LET THE SENATE VOTE ON THIS!!!! Fine by me if they disapprove them then the President could nominate someone else, and these departments could GET TO WORK. Let the Government get to work that is all I am asking. Have the vote and let the government get to work. I would also point out one nominees hold was dropped two days ago and they were approved 90-0 it only took 8 months for a nominee who was approved unanimously to get a vote because that is democracy to Republicans. Now one guy is holding up 70 departments. Edited February 6, 2010 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Ah, punked. I'm sure many liberal types like you across the fruited plain are outraged how this could happen to your president. Imagine, Obama has a majority in both houses and his nominations sit at the whim of the other party. Ring a bell, anyone? Sounds like a broken record, right? Like when the Dems held up Bush's nominations in his first term? Now liberals in the states are no doubt outraged that this could happen to them. Personally, I think it's kind of delicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Ah, punked. I'm sure many liberal types like you across the fruited plain are outraged how this could happen to your president. Imagine, Obama has a majority in both houses and his nominations sit at the whim of the other party. Ring a bell, anyone? Sounds like a broken record, right? Like when the Dems held up Bush's nominations in his first term? Now liberals in the states are no doubt outraged that this could happen to them. Personally, I think it's kind of delicious. But it isn't a party, it isn't all 39 Republicans like I said two days ago a hold was dropped and no one voted against the guy. It is one person hold America hostage to get some pork from the president and the president is holding his ground. I am sure you love the fact that the American government is running at half what it could be at a critic time. I just want the system too work. If the republicans want to filibuster then fine whatever but when one Senator can hold up the whole government with out having to do a thing the system is broken. Keep loving it though maybe America will wake to crazies like yourself who love that nominees who are being voted on unanimously take a year or two to get appointed too posts no one objects too them holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 But it isn't a party, it isn't all 39 Republicans like I said two days ago a hold was dropped and no one voted against the guy. It is one person hold America hostage to get some pork from the president and the president is holding his ground. So what? Go back and count the number of Bush nominees who couldn't get a straight up or down vote in the US Senate. You have a very short memory. I am sure you love the fact that the American government is running at half what it could be at a critic time. I just want the system too work. If the republicans want to filibuster then fine whatever but when one Senator can hold up the whole government with out having to do a thing the system is broken. Well hell, at least it's running, which is more than we can see in Canada right now. Enjoy the Olympics! Keep loving it though maybe America will wake to crazies like yourself who love that nominees who are being voted on unanimously take a year or two to get appointed too posts no one objects too them holding. Nope....it's all part of the same game. We don't change the rules for Obama, especially after he pissed away a rare Senate super-majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 So what? Go back and count the number of Bush nominees who couldn't get a straight up or down vote in the US Senate. You have a very short memory. Well hell, at least it's running, which is more than we can see in Canada right now. Enjoy the Olympics! Nope....it's all part of the same game. We don't change the rules for Obama, especially after he pissed away a rare Senate super-majority. Were all of them held up by one person? I don't remembering that happening, sometimes when the Dems held them up they were grandstanding but at least they had courage to say they were going to do it. Putting a blanket on democracy and abusing the system is not right no matter what party does it. If the Republicans want to hold these people up they should vote against them like the Dems did not 90-0 for approval AFTER 8 MONTHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 I think Obama's nominations might be held up because of the way he skirted the rules during the previous year. Obama's appointed something like 40 czars to various positions within the federal government, in one year. All without senate confirmation. He may now be paying for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 I think Obama's nominations might be held up because of the way he skirted the rules during the previous year. Obama's appointed something like 40 czars to various positions within the federal government, in one year. All without senate confirmation. He may now be paying for that. Ummmmm those same have been appointed with out Senate nominations by every president since Nixon you know that right? So your theory is wrong as always. The problem is the this one GOP Senator is being ridiculous and trying to hold the country hostage for some pork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Ummmmm those same have been appointed with out Senate nominations by every president That's completely false. Obama has created several new czar positions. He has more czars now than Bush had in 8 years! And it's only been 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 That's completely false. Obama has created several new czar positions. He has more czars now than Bush had in 8 years! And it's only been 1 year. Again you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about. Obama has appointed 8 czars much less then the 47 Bush appointed while he has 38 czars 3 more then Bush's 35 most of them are just Carry overs from Bush. So if you have a problem 15 of Obama czars you might want too take it up with Bush who appointed them, unless you have a problem with the 8 Obama appointed. 9 of them were confirmed and the last 8 were appointed NOT by Obama but by outside organizations like the special advisor to the EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan ("Great Lakes czar") is EPA-appointed. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/ Do you do research on this stuff Shady or just listen to talk radio all day and just repeat what they say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Could we please quit calling the czars? That isn't their actual titles. Edited February 6, 2010 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Could we please quit calling the czars? That isn't their actual titles. You are right but they each have a different title dependent on their department making it hard to classify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Could we please quit calling the czars? That isn't their actual titles. No....the Americans have a long tradition of "czars". It saves ink. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) And the news is out it is Republican Shelby from Alabama who has placed the holds. He has placed because he wants the whitehouse or Senate to Award a 35 billion dollar contract to a company which has given him over 100,000 in donations over the past 10 year, instead of it going to another company. He wont lift the hold until his favorite company gets the contract. Wowzer I don't even think this is a Dem vs Rep thing I think it is a corruption vs. the American people thing here. I am glade the Democrats have held out for 9 months caving too this guy so this stuff could be found out. http://www.publicintegrity.org/blog/entry/1932/ Shady please tell me more about how this is about the Czars now that the shit has hit the fan? Edited February 6, 2010 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Obama has appointed 8. Yeah, in his first day! Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) czar, Richard Holbrooke AIDS czar, Jeffrey Crowley Auto recovery czar, Ed Montgomery Behavioral science czar, position not yet filled Bailout czar, Herbert Allison Jr., Border czar, Alan Bersin Car czar, Ron Bloom Climate change czar, Todd Stern Copyright czar, not appointed yet Counterterrorism czar, John Brennan Cybersecurity czar Melissa Hathaway Disinformation czar, Linda Douglass Domestic violence czar, Lynn Rosenthal Drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske Economic czar, Larry Summers Economic czar number two, Paul Volcker Education czar, Arne Duncan Energy czar, Carol Browner Food czar, Michael Taylor Government performance czar, Jeffrey Zients Great Lakes czar, Cameron Davis Green jobs czar, Van Jones Guantanamo closure czar, Daniel Fried Health czar, Nancy-Ann DeParle Infotech czar, Vivek Kundra Intelligence czar, Dennis Blair Latin-American czar, Arturo Valenzuela Mideast peace czar, George Mitchell Mideast policy czar, Dennis Ross Pay czar, Kenneth Feinberg Regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein Religion czar, aka God czar Joshua DuBois Safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings Science czar, John Holdren Stimulus oversight czar, Earl Devaney Sudan czar, J. Scott Gration TARP czar, Elizabeth Warren Technology czar, Aneesh Chopra Trade czar, Ron Kirk Urban affairs czar, Adolfo Carrion War czar, Douglas Lute Water czar, David J. Hayes Weapons czar, Ashton Carter Weapons of mass destruction czar, Gary Samore Positions being planned: Income redistribution czar Land-use czar Mortgage czar, formally "consumer financial protection czar" (source) Radio-internet fairness czar Student loan czar, to oversee a program of mandatory service in return for college money (source) Voter list czar Zoning czar Edited February 6, 2010 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Yeah, in his first day! Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) czar, Richard Holbrooke AIDS czar, Jeffrey Crowley Auto recovery czar, Ed Montgomery Behavioral science czar, position not yet filled Bailout czar, Herbert Allison Jr., Border czar, Alan Bersin Car czar, Ron Bloom Climate change czar, Todd Stern Copyright czar, not appointed yet Counterterrorism czar, John Brennan Cybersecurity czar Melissa Hathaway Disinformation czar, Linda Douglass Domestic violence czar, Lynn Rosenthal Drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske Economic czar, Larry Summers Economic czar number two, Paul Volcker Education czar, Arne Duncan Energy czar, Carol Browner Food czar, Michael Taylor Government performance czar, Jeffrey Zients Great Lakes czar, Cameron Davis Green jobs czar, Van Jones Guantanamo closure czar, Daniel Fried Health czar, Nancy-Ann DeParle Infotech czar, Vivek Kundra Intelligence czar, Dennis Blair Latin-American czar, Arturo Valenzuela Mideast peace czar, George Mitchell Mideast policy czar, Dennis Ross Pay czar, Kenneth Feinberg Regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein Religion czar, aka God czar Joshua DuBois Safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings Science czar, John Holdren Stimulus oversight czar, Earl Devaney Sudan czar, J. Scott Gration TARP czar, Elizabeth Warren Technology czar, Aneesh Chopra Trade czar, Ron Kirk Urban affairs czar, Adolfo Carrion War czar, Douglas Lute Water czar, David J. Hayes Weapons czar, Ashton Carter Weapons of mass destruction czar, Gary Samore Positions being planned: Income redistribution czar Land-use czar Mortgage czar, formally "consumer financial protection czar" (source) Radio-internet fairness czar Student loan czar, to oversee a program of mandatory service in return for college money (source) Voter list czar Zoning czar How come you can't read? Obama appointed 8 of those, 15 were Bush holdovers WHO BUSH APPOINTED, 9 were voted on by the senate, and another 8 were appointed by outside organizations. SO OBAMA APPOINTED 8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 How come you can't read? Obama appointed 8 of those, 15 were Bush holdovers WHO BUSH APPOINTED, 9 were voted on by the senate, and another 8 were appointed by outside organizations. SO OBAMA APPOINTED 8! Why must you lie? Afghanistan Czar - Richard Holbrooke Title: Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Appointed: January 2009 Auto Recovery Czar - Ed Montgomery Title: Director of Recovery for Auto Communities and Workers Appointed: March 2009 California Water Czar - David J. Hayes Title: Deputy Interior Secretary Appointed: June 2009 Car Czar - Ron Bloom Title: Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury Appointed: July 2009 Central Region Czar - Dennis Ross Title: Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for the Central Region Reports to: National Security Adviser Gen. James L. Jones Appointed: June 2009 Climate Czar - Todd Stern Title: Special Envoy for Climate Change Appointed: January 2009 Domestic Violence Czar - Lynn Rosenthal Title: White House adviser on Violence Against Women Appointed: June 2009 Energy and Environment Czar - Carol Browner Title: Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change Appointed: January 2009 Government Performance Czar - Jeffrey Zients Title: Chief Performance Officer Appointed: April 2009 Great Lakes Czar - Cameron Davis Title: Special advisor to the U.S. EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan Appointed: June 2009 Green Jobs Czar - Van Jones Title: Special Adviser for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality Appointed: March 2009 Guantanamo Closure Czar - Daniel Fried Title: Special envoy to oversee the closure of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay Appointed: March 2009 Information Czar - Vivek Kundra Title: Federal Chief Information Officer Appointed: March 2009 Mideast Peace Czar - George Mitchell Title: Special Envoy for Middle East Peace Appointed: January 2009 Pay Czar - Kenneth R. Feinberg Title: Special Master on executive pay Appointed: June 2009 Science Czar - John Holdren Title: Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Appointed: December 2008 Stimulus Accountability Czar - Earl Devaney Title: Chair of the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board Appointed: February 2009 Sudan Czar - J. Scott Gration Title: Special Envoy to Sudan Appointed: March 2009 TARP Czar - Herb Allison Title: Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability Appointed: June 2009 Technology Czar - Aneesh Chopra Title: Chief Technology Officer Appointed: April 2009 Terrorism Czar - John Brennan Title: Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Appointed: January 2009 Urban Affairs Czar - Adolfo Carrion Jr. Title: White House Director of Urban Affairs Appointed: February 2009 Weapons Czar - Ashton Carter Title: Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Appointed: April 2009 WMD Policy Czar - Gary Samore Title: White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security and Arms Control Appointed: January 2009 Why do you have to resort to blatant lying? I don't understand it. Especially when it's so provable. All of these Czar positions didn't even exist in the prior administration. They're all new creations of Obama. And that doesn't even include the normal set of Czars that have existed over the last couple of decades, such as Drug Czar, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) Why must you lie? Afghanistan Czar - Richard Holbrooke Title: Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Appointed: January 2009 Auto Recovery Czar - Ed Montgomery Title: Director of Recovery for Auto Communities and Workers Appointed: March 2009 California Water Czar - David J. Hayes Title: Deputy Interior Secretary Appointed: June 2009 Car Czar - Ron Bloom Title: Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury Appointed: July 2009 Central Region Czar - Dennis Ross Title: Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for the Central Region Reports to: National Security Adviser Gen. James L. Jones Appointed: June 2009 Climate Czar - Todd Stern Title: Special Envoy for Climate Change Appointed: January 2009 Domestic Violence Czar - Lynn Rosenthal Title: White House adviser on Violence Against Women Appointed: June 2009 Energy and Environment Czar - Carol Browner Title: Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change Appointed: January 2009 Government Performance Czar - Jeffrey Zients Title: Chief Performance Officer Appointed: April 2009 Great Lakes Czar - Cameron Davis Title: Special advisor to the U.S. EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan Appointed: June 2009 Green Jobs Czar - Van Jones Title: Special Adviser for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality Appointed: March 2009 Guantanamo Closure Czar - Daniel Fried Title: Special envoy to oversee the closure of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay Appointed: March 2009 Information Czar - Vivek Kundra Title: Federal Chief Information Officer Appointed: March 2009 Mideast Peace Czar - George Mitchell Title: Special Envoy for Middle East Peace Appointed: January 2009 Pay Czar - Kenneth R. Feinberg Title: Special Master on executive pay Appointed: June 2009 Science Czar - John Holdren Title: Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Appointed: December 2008 Stimulus Accountability Czar - Earl Devaney Title: Chair of the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board Appointed: February 2009 Sudan Czar - J. Scott Gration Title: Special Envoy to Sudan Appointed: March 2009 TARP Czar - Herb Allison Title: Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability Appointed: June 2009 Technology Czar - Aneesh Chopra Title: Chief Technology Officer Appointed: April 2009 Terrorism Czar - John Brennan Title: Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Appointed: January 2009 Urban Affairs Czar - Adolfo Carrion Jr. Title: White House Director of Urban Affairs Appointed: February 2009 Weapons Czar - Ashton Carter Title: Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics Appointed: April 2009 WMD Policy Czar - Gary Samore Title: White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security and Arms Control Appointed: January 2009 Why do you have to resort to blatant lying? I don't understand it. Especially when it's so provable. All of these Czar positions didn't even exist in the prior administration. They're all new creations of Obama. And that doesn't even include the normal set of Czars that have existed over the last couple of decades, such as Drug Czar, etc. PLEASE LEARN HOW TO READ. You cited one of my own examples I GAVE YOU of how the president doesn't appoint many of these czars. Great Lakes Czar - Cameron Davis Title: Special advisor to the U.S. EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan Appointed: June 2009 That title is appointed by the EPA the president has nothing to do with along with many of the czars you point out. So you prove again you don't know how to read and you don't know how the system works. AGAIN the president has appointed 8 czars, 15 were Bush carry overs, 9 were approved by the Senate, and 8 were were appointed by outside organizations such as the EPA. No matter how many times you list the czars it doesn't change the FACTS Shady. Obama has appointed 8 so far to Bushes 45, Bush had 8 years to appoint all those and when vacancies come up on matter that concern only the whitehouse I understand it is proper place o fill them. I don't fault Bush for doing so, in 8 years (god willing) I am sure Obama will have appointed just as many. Nice List from Glen Beck though too bad you didn't actually fact check anything or didn't read anything I posted. Do all republicans have trouble reading or just you Shady? http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/ You also haven't addressed the fact that Shelby is holding the country hostage for a 35 billion dollar contract, that he wants given too someone who has filled his pockets. Corruption! Edited February 6, 2010 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) You're being purposely dishonest. It's fun to catch you in a blatant lie. 9 were approved by the Senate The 9 that were approved by the Senate aren't on the list I provided. I provided only new Obama created Czar positions. LEARN HOW TO READ. 24 newly created Czar positions by the Obama administration. That's a fact. Edited February 6, 2010 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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