Racism on the reserve

[eyeball]

One more time:

Unless you're off on some other completely irrelevant topic, what is "heavy-handed manner" but a euphemism for "enforcing racist policies"?

I haven't got a clue, you're the one who's making it not me.

[eyeball]

I mean, if someone said that they objected to the US declaration of indendence and the constitution and bill of rights....naturall they would deny the US right to self government.

And just as naturally the people claiming the right to self governance would put their internal differences aside and rally around their common cause. This phenomenon is common in other cultures where self government is either challenged, denied or otherwise interfered with. Moderate or contrary ideas often don't have a more neutral environment in which to develop, not while an often extreme entrenched isolated leadership is dealing with the denial of their culture or countries right to self-determination.

Eyeball is denying the legal articles to Indian self government.

Complete utter horseshit.

Edited February 17, 2010 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

Complete utter horseshit.

make up your mind lad, either the laws that give mohawks self government or bad or they are good.

If they are bad and you approve, or they are good and your don't approve. Alternatively, the laws are good and you approve or they are bad and you don't approve.

You can't have it both ways.

[M.Dancer]

And just as naturally the people claiming the right to self governance would put their internal differences aside and rally around their common cause. This phenomenon is common in other cultures where self government is either challenged, denied or otherwise interfered with. Moderate or contrary ideas often don't have a more neutral environment in which to develop, not while an often extreme entrenched isolated leadership is dealing with the denial of their culture or countries right to self-determination.

Could I get some bullshit dressing for that word salad?

[M.Dancer]

As others have pointed out, our own government sometimes makes similar decisions that divide families according to race and nationality.

When in the last 60 years has Canada told sopmeone they couldn't live somehwere because of race.

That's right, you lied through your teeth.

The only reason I can fathom that you would consider my interpretation of your argument a lie is that you only have a passing familiarity with reality.

[eyeball]

make up your mind lad, either the laws that give mohawks self government or bad or they are good.

If they are bad and you approve, or they are good and your don't approve. Alternatively, the laws are good and you approve or they are bad and you don't approve.

You can't have it both ways.

These propositions are a product of your mind Morris, not mine.

Even worse is the indifference of the Act.

[eyeball]

Blah blah blah blah blah?

[Oleg Bach]

Not just the hells angels but all known criminal organizations.

The oppression that criminals face from the law enforcement organizations is a black mark on Canada!!

AS a kid going to court in a small town run by colonialist judges..we were always approached by the crown and told to gift them with a guilty plea and they would go easier on us--- at least a thousand spirited young people who were innocent were sullied with criminal records that barred them from good employment or taking a job in public office...it seems I was a victim of what was a judical system left over from colonialist times- where the elite criminalized and marginalized everyone they could-- there are the convicted and yet to be convicted was the old saying.

[eyeball]

When in the last 60 years has Canada told sopmeone they couldn't live somehwere because of race.

I said that too did I?

The only reason I can fathom that you would consider my interpretation of your argument a lie is that you only have a passing familiarity with reality.

Actually it's my familiarity with you that leads to that conclusion.

[M.Dancer]

These propositions are a product of your mind Morris, not mine.

Even worse is the indifference of the Act.

Yes I know, your famous for not acknowledging the illogic of your illogical ramblings.

[Oleg Bach]

Let then run off all non-natives and unfortunate spouses of whites who live on reserves- let them have their hateful revenge- a little uselessly late I might add.

[charter.rights]

When in the last 60 years has Canada told sopmeone they couldn't live somehwere because of race.

First of all Kahnawake is not in Canada.

Second of all if you were not so ignorant to the issue you would realize that it is not about race but about national citizenship. There are those who do not quality for Kahnawake citizenship and therefore are being deported back to Canada.

Lastly, the Indian Act prohibits trespass, owning, leasing or converting land on a reserve except by members of the Band, so the actions taken by Kahnawake Council are fully compatible with Canadian law. So if you want to discuss an expose on how Canadian law is inherently racist then maybe we have a worthwhile thread.

The only reason I can fathom that you would consider my interpretation of your argument a lie is that you only have a passing familiarity with reality.

Ad Hominem. The only reason you post anymore.

Edited February 18, 2010 by charter.rights

[DogOnPorch]

First of all Kahnawake is not in Canada.

[M.Dancer]

There are those who do not quality for Kahnawake citizenship and therefore are being deported back to Canada.

The only criteria for mohawk membership is race. The place is being subjected to ethnic cleansing....

..yoiu would think marrying a mohawk, having children with a mohawk would be a fast track for *cough* citizenship....but it is not...there is only one way and that to be born mohawk.

It's all about race.

[g_bambino]

I haven't got a clue.

Well, if you haven't a clue what your own words were intended to mean, then... Well, what can one do?

[charter.rights]

The only criteria for mohawk membership is race. The place is being subjected to ethnic cleansing....

..yoiu would think marrying a mohawk, having children with a mohawk would be a fast track for *cough* citizenship....but it is not...there is only one way and that to be born mohawk.

It's all about race.

Ah...ignorance again. In fact the Haudenosaunee have a Constitution that allows ANYONE to become Haudenosaunee, providing that they meet the criteria. Their constitution holds that citizenship is gained through the mothers of the nation - the same place they derive their clans from - and provides for adoption and emmigration just we do here in Canada. Children born out of the nation do not automatically become Mohawk, just like children born out of Canada when one parent is not Canadian are not automatically included in Canadian citizenship.

Another fact: The Mohawk see all people as equal, regardless of race. They just do not have an open door immigration policy like we do here - and they are perfectly within their right.

BUT (another important fact) Canada DOES distinguish between races and that makes our government inherently racist. That is what the Indian Act is about and we use that to determine who can be an Indian, simply on the basis of skin colour (aboriginal blood lines quantum).

[M.Dancer]

Their constitution holds that citizenship is gained through the mothers of the nation - the same place they derive their clans from - and provides for adoption and emmigration just we do here in Canada.

Please link the citizenship forms...

[g_bambino]

Please link the citizenship forms...

It's in the same place as their make-believe passport, of course.

[charter.rights]

Please link the citizenship forms...

The Great Law

http://www.indigenouspeople.net/iroqcon.htm

68. Should any member of the Five Nations, a family or person

belonging to a foreign nation submit a proposal for adoption

into a clan of one of the Five Nations, he or they shall

furnish a string of shells, a span in length, as a pledge to

the clan into which he or they wish to be adopted. The Lords

of the nation shall then consider the proposal and submit a

decision.

Furnish a string of wampum shells and it will be considered.

75. When a member of an alien nation comes to the territory

of the Five Nations and seeks refuge and permanent residence,

the Lords of the Nation to which he comes shall extend

hospitality and make him a member of the nation. Then shall he

be accorded equal rights and privileges in all matters except

as after mentioned.

Any other questions, Chum?

[eyeball]

Well, if you haven't a clue what your own words were intended to mean, then... Well, what can one do?

We can't do anything I guess until you face the fact that these enforcing racist policies are your words and your euphemism for heavy handed manner not mine.

[g_bambino]

We can't do anything I guess until you face the fact that these enforcing racist policies are your words and your euphemism for heavy handed manner not mine.

Actually, we can't do anything until you explain what you actually meant by "heavy handed manner" in the context of this discussion, if not as a euphemism for "enforcing racist policies".

[eyeball]

Actually, we can't do anything until you explain what you actually meant by "heavy handed manner" in the context of this discussion, if not as a euphemism for "enforcing racist policies".

The discussion is about an example of heavy handed leadership that has resulted in a race based decision. The latter is the result of the former which is not a euphemism for anything.

Given that you have tried on several occasions now to characterize for everyone else where I'm coming from allow me to do the same for you.

Simply put I think you're a racist with a really threadbare disguise, and like most racists I know you probably hate non-racists even more than you do other races.

[M.Dancer]

Simply put I think you're a racist with a really threadbare disguise, and like most racists I know you probably hate non-racists even more than you do other races.

You're projecting again

[DogOnPorch]

The discussion is about an example of heavy handed leadership that has resulted in a race based decision. The latter is the result of the former which is not a euphemism for anything.

Given that you have tried on several occasions now to characterize for everyone else where I'm coming from allow me to do the same for you.

Simply put I think you're a racist with a really threadbare disguise, and like most racists I know you probably hate non-racists even more than you do other races.

M.Dancer hates his kids...now g_bambino is a racist.

[g_bambino]

The discussion is about an example of heavy handed leadership that has resulted in a race based decision. The latter is the result of the former which is not a euphemism for anything.

The latter being the result of the former does not in any way separate the two from each other; the bearing of the policies is intrinsically tied to whether or not people decide to enforce them. The Kahnawake leaders have obviously chosen to enforce them, making a "race based decision" as part of their heavy-handed leadership, which you have said is the fault not of the leaders themselves and their free will to make decisions, but of an Indian Act that can't reign in the evidently inate racism of Kahnawake heads.