Harper to prorogue parliament AGAIN?

[myata]

Quite the opposite. He prorogued parliament to protect Canadians from the first coalition government that would have included seperatists, who's sole purpose is to break up the country.

And he prorogued parliament the second time, to save the Canadian military from political attacks from the opposition parties. Who seem to hold Canada responsible for the roughing up of some terrorists by a foreign government.

Of course, whatever King does, must be for the best of us all. Long live the King! (ahead to the past, full steam).

[ToadBrother]

Quite the opposite. He prorogued parliament to protect Canadians from the first coalition government that would have included seperatists, who's sole purpose is to break up the country.

He didn't seem to have a problem with a coalition with separatists when he was in Opposition.

And he prorogued parliament the second time, to save the Canadian military from political attacks from the opposition parties. Who seem to hold Canada responsible for the roughing up of some terrorists by a foreign government.

Pathetic.

Okay, I'll ask you. Does Parliament have the right to force a government to deliver any and all documents or not?

In both cases, the majority of Canadians are on the side of the conservative government. Despite what groups highschool and college students may join on facebook.

Certainly the public didn't like the Coalition, but the polls on this latest prorogation prove you wrong.

Still, proroguing Parliament to escape a Confidence Motion, that most important of checks on a government in our system, is an extraordinarily dangerous precedent, one that could have very serious long-term effects on our governing system.

Edited January 20, 2010 by ToadBrother

[Dithers]

Quite the opposite. He prorogued parliament to protect Canadians from the first coalition government that would have included seperatists, who's sole purpose is to break up the country.

And he prorogued parliament the second time, to save the Canadian military from political attacks from the opposition parties. Who seem to hold Canada responsible for the roughing up of some terrorists by a foreign government.

Pathetic.

In both cases, the majority of Canadians are on the side of the conservative government. Despite what groups highschool and college students may join on facebook.

Meanwhile ... back in reality land ... the coalition was formed with the sole objective of blocking a measure, introduced by Harper, designed to bankrupt the opposition parties. Don't worry, I completely get your need to construct pleasurable little fantasies.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Dithers

[DrGreenthumb]

How did Harper use the Haitian people? By responding and offering aid? What was he suppose to do? This is just another case of Harper Derangement Syndrome. If he's lowkey, he's accused of not caring, he's the opposite, he's accused of using the crisis. Pathetic.

Calling the news to take pictures of himself giving a personal donation to gain politically is using their suffering to his advantage. pathetic

[Smallc]

Calling the news to take pictures of himself giving a personal donation to gain politically is using their suffering to his advantage. pathetic

I don't agree in this case. It was a good way to show leadership. Harper has responded to this crisis better than I would have ever thought possible.

[Oleg Bach]

Everything about question period is scripted - questions and answers all written and approved beforehand by the parties, rehearsed adn practiced, choreographed and based on spin doctors assessments.

Like I aways said - theatre! Politicans have no power..they are actors. If you can make it into the back room at the top of some bank tower and are lucky enough to listen in you will see who is in power - and that person never speaks publicly..having power is having absloutely none.

[William Ashley]

I hope you are kidding.

About what?

Personaly I think foreign aid should only be offered though NGO's, and that the governments responsibility it to their people not foreign governments. We shouldn't be helping any government that doesn't submit to our government through taxpayers tax dollars. Let them donate 10$ privately and get a tax refund. End of story. Advocating for more support isn't a bad thing, but there should be a consensus in spending. 50 million dollars is a lot of tax payer money to be giving to a foreign country. Also deploying more than 2000 canadian forces personel to an indefinate commitment while there are layoffs in the Canadian Forces and staffing shortfalls is hardly responsible. Why are releif ongoing releif flights to Haiti warranted when training flights for domestic defence missions arn't?

[waldo]

"Stephen Harper: He Prorogues"

[Shady]

"Stephen Harper: He Prorogues"

Oh please God let Bob Rae be the Liberal nominee.

[Alta4ever]

Calling the news to take pictures of himself giving a personal donation to gain politically is using their suffering to his advantage. pathetic

Have you ever heard of leading by example?

In this case it seems to have worked too, I heard on the radio yesterday that Canadians are giving 5-1 more then the Americans.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Alta4ever

[ToadBrother]

Have you ever heard of leading by example?

In this case it seems to have worked too, I heard on the radio yesterday that Canadians are giving 5-1 more then the Americans.

I think it's extraordinarily presumptuous to attribute that to Harper, no?

[Alta4ever]

I think it's extraordinarily presumptuous to attribute that to Harper, no?

Fine but he did lead by example he put his money where his mouth was. Far more then the opposition appears to be doing.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Alta4ever

[ToadBrother]

Fine but he did lead by example he put his money where his mouth was. Far more then the opposition appears to be doing.

You'd have to first demonstrate that his actions were in fact a trigger for a large number of Canadians. Do that, and we'll be able to assess the effect of the Prime Minister's actions.

[Alta4ever]

You'd have to first demonstrate that his actions were in fact a trigger for a large number of Canadians. Do that, and we'll be able to assess the effect of the Prime Minister's actions.

Sorry I don't poll. But it did effect the amount I gave.

[ToadBrother]

Sorry I don't poll. But it did effect the amount I gave.

Of course it did. You practically worship the guy.

[Alta4ever]

Of course it did. You practically worship the guy.

I do no such thing, but I do like his leadership, the best we have had in generations.

[ToadBrother]

I do no such thing, but I do like his leadership, the best we have had in generations.

The first part of your sentence denies what I say, and then the next two clauses confirm my statement

[Alta4ever]

The first part of your sentence denies what I say, and then the next two clauses confirm my statement

There is a big difference between worship and liking a leadership style.

[ToadBrother]

There is a big difference between worship and liking a leadership style.

I know I know. But sometimes I just look at the Tory supporters around here and wonder "Do they leave their brain at the door when they sign the membership card".

To my mind, his leadership style varies little from Chretien's. I didn't like Chretien's either, but it seems in recent history you've got a choice between authoritarian types or wafflers like Joe Clark and Paul Martin (or maybe sweaty alcoholics like John Turner).

But who am I to talk. I'm as angry as hell about the prorogations, and over the last few days I've burned way too many electrons defending that very system. Maybe being strongly aligned to a single ideological movement has its advantages.

[myata]

BTW and FYI if I read it correctly a rally against prorogation is planned for tomorrow (Saturday 23d) at 1 pm on Ottawa's Parliament Hill. It is supposed to be non-partisan i.e. being there does not necessarily means support for (any of) the opposition parties. In fact if chance presents itself I'd like to ask some hard questions as to what they, opposition parties, in particular the one that leads the opposition are going to do to defend the role of Parliament.

[Alta4ever]

BTW and FYI if I read it correctly a rally against prorogation is planned for tomorrow (Saturday 23d) at 1 pm on Ottawa's Parliament Hill. It is supposed to be non-partisan i.e. being there does not necessarily means support for (any of) the opposition parties. In fact if chance presents itself I'd like to ask some hard questions as to what they, opposition parties, in particular the one that leads the opposition are going to do to defend the role of Parliament.

So if its non-partisan why is Ignatieff attending?

[ToadBrother]

So if its non-partisan why is Ignatieff attending?

Are you suggesting MPs who disagree with the prorogation not attend a demonstration against said prorogation? That doesn't exactly make a lot of sense to me.

[Alta4ever]

Are you suggesting MPs who disagree with the prorogation not attend a demonstration against said prorogation? That doesn't exactly make a lot of sense to me.

You can't claim its a non-partisan event and then have the leader of a political party speak at the rally, this makes it a partisan event.

[ToadBrother]

You can't claim its a non-partisan event and then have the leader of a political party speak at the rally, this makes it a partisan event.

I think Iggy is probably capable of wearing a few different hats. At any rate, if you have people from different political parties attending, then, at the very least, it's bipartisan. Since Iggy is the leader of the Official Opposition, not having him at a big anti-prorogation event would be rather peculiar, I would think.

[nicky10013]

You can't claim its a non-partisan event and then have the leader of a political party speak at the rally, this makes it a partisan event.

I'm sure Jack Layton wouldn't mind attending, either. Hell, I'm sure the protest organizers would love having Harper there so he can actually explain himself. Just because party people are there doesn't make it partisan. Though, for Ignatieff, taking advantage of this opportunity has proven to work out. Globe's latest ekos poll has the Liberals winning government if an election was to take place tomorrow.