Harper to prorogue parliament AGAIN?

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

Translation: I only agree with the polls that make me feel good.

nope nanos is know for being the most accurate.

ToadBrother · January 7, 2010

nope nanos is know for being the most accurate.

Known by who?

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

Known by who?

By anyone who knows anything about politics

"In the 2006 federal election in Canada, his firm predicted the results of the federal election to within one tenth of one percentage point for the four major parties - a record in Canadian polling history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nik_Nanos

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

McMurdy, Derdre. "Who is this man, and why is he always right?" The Ottawa Citizen. Ottawa, Ont.: Oct 22, 2007. pg. A.5

Bea Vongdouangchanh and Kady O’Malley. “Inside the poll story – who got it right, who got it wrong, and why?” Policy Options Magazine, Montreal, Que.: March 2006. Vol. 26 No. 3, p. 68

Christian Bourque and Craig Worden. “Measuring voting intention and projecting outcomes for the 2006 Canadian federal election” Vue Magazine, Mississauga, Ont.: April 2006, p. 10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanos_Research

punked · January 7, 2010

Known by who?

Actually I agree Alta Nanos does promptn't people with Party names so you actually get a much better result. They have been the most actuate for a long time now.

Edited January 7, 2010 by punked

Riverwind · January 7, 2010

I suspect even you have an opinion or you wouldn't be commenting.

You would be wrong. I fall firmly in the not sure category (i.e. i don't care) and I have not been following the issue in the news. I only responded on this thread because a poll was quoted and I thought the poll results did not make sense because I do not think this issue is going to change anyone's vote. Edited January 7, 2010 by Riverwind

capricorn · January 7, 2010

I do not think this issue is going to change anyone's vote.

My view as well

The poll results also show that 38 per cent of respondents believed Harper pulled the plug on Parliament to thwart a parliamentary committee's probe into the treatment of Afghan prisoners.

That tells me that those respondents are paying attention, nothing more.

Oleg Bach · January 7, 2010

Here is the latest Angus Reid Poll on the question of Prorogation

http://www.visioncritical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2010.01.07_Prorogue_CAN.pdf

Timely Poll.

When has the majority meant anything to our legislators? For that matter when has the minority been relevent? No one has a say in what goes down..they do just as they wish and pander to the public by making grant and emotional promises to the people...that they seldom keep. Wait - Never Keep! - Find one example where a political made a detailed promise to the public and delivered that promise in every detail? They never do..as we just take it - It's much like a husband that promises to his wife he will never cheat again.

madmax · January 7, 2010

You would be wrong. I fall firmly in the not sure category (i.e. i don't care) and I have not been following the issue in the news. I only responded on this thread because a poll was quoted and I thought the poll results did not make sense because I do not think this issue is going to change anyone's vote.

When the government doesn't leave a good impression. The public begins to 2nd guess the actions of the government.

I am totally surprised at how many people are voicing their opinion on this issue outside of a politica forum, compared to other issues that us punters cover in these forums and don't register at all with the public. I think this is a good thing.

I don't know if the intent is to change anyones vote. First it appears that the public is interested in seeing the government get back to work.

Its party hacks who dismiss the issue and the public.

Shady · January 7, 2010

It really doesn't matter if the Conservatives are at 39% or down to 33%. When campaigning starts, Harper and the Conservatives always skate circles around the other parties anyways.

ToadBrother · January 7, 2010

It really doesn't matter if the Conservatives are at 39% or down to 33%. When campaigning starts, Harper and the Conservatives always skate circles around the other parties anyways.

Which is why they haven't achieved a majority yet.

wyly · January 7, 2010

Translation: I only agree with the polls that make me feel good.

my experience with Nanos polls is they're usually wrong....I take all polls with a grain of salt, with Nanos it's more like a shovelful...

ToadBrother · January 7, 2010

my experience with Nanos polls is they're usually wrong....I take all polls with a grain of salt, with Nanos it's more like a shovelful...

My observation is that, at the end of the day, people declare the polls that most reflect their own biases as true, and those that go against them as false. As much as governments should listen to the public will, I'm not necessarily sure that slavish attention to polls is necessarily a way of measuring that will. I'd rather my local MP ask his constituents how they feel, and hopefully you get enough MPs going to Ottawa with those words in their ears will make a better job of representing the popular will than waiting for the pollsters.

ZenOps · January 7, 2010

This doesn't shake my confidence in any of the political parties.

It shakes my faith in the entire Canadian government regardless of which party is actually in power. Care must be taken to not bring down the publics faith so far - that we give up on the government (some say we are already long past that point)

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

my experience with Nanos polls is they're usually wrong....I take all polls with a grain of salt, with Nanos it's more like a shovelful...

funny Nanos has proven his methodology. I have followed his poll even when they did not favour the conservatives, because of his reputation.

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

My observation is that, at the end of the day, people declare the polls that most reflect their own biases as true, and those that go against them as false. As much as governments should listen to the public will, I'm not necessarily sure that slavish attention to polls is necessarily a way of measuring that will. I'd rather my local MP ask his constituents how they feel, and hopefully you get enough MPs going to Ottawa with those words in their ears will make a better job of representing the popular will than waiting for the pollsters.

How do they do this when they are stuck in Ottawa, at least with the 2 month prorogue they will have some time now to spend in their constituencies.

Riverwind · January 7, 2010

I am totally surprised at how many people are voicing their opinion on this issue outside of a politica forum, compared to other issues that us punters cover in these forums and don't register at all with the public. I think this is a good thing.

Take any issue. Give it some coverage and you will find some people 'expressing themselves'. In this case, the people complaining are political partisans who would have never voted CPC in the first place. The coverage in the media is mystifying. I suspect the media is whipping it up because controversy sells.

ToadBrother · January 7, 2010

How do they do this when they are stuck in Ottawa, at least with the 2 month prorogue they will have some time now to spend in their constituencies.

Are you actually putting this forward as a serious defense?

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

Are you actually putting this forward as a serious defense?

Well you said they needed to spend time in their constituencies or are you unaware of just how much time is spent by MPs in Ottawa, I have yet to meet anyone who can be in two places at once.

nicky10013 · January 7, 2010

Well you said they needed to spend time in their constituencies or are you unaware of just how much time is spent by MPs in Ottawa, I have yet to meet anyone who can be in two places at once.

In Canada it might, but what does the Economist have to gain by calling Harper a dictator? It caters mainly to the US, the EU, Chinese and Indian politics.

What it says is that this issue actually carries a lot more weight than Conservative partisans at home would like to give credit to. Hence, the dismissal of the public, the polls and the media outlets that cover them. The problem is, for Conservatives it's their own house that's on fire. The CPC has looked to papers like the Calgary Herald and the Globe and Mail for endorsements, not to mention international support and prestige from such right of centre business and politics mags such as the Economist. Especially the Globe and Mail, though. It's a way of sewing up the moderate vote. With this latest move, the Conservatives have alienated pretty much every single media outlet except the National Post which is so right wing that it was never going anywhere anyways.

Edited January 7, 2010 by nicky10013

Alta4ever · January 7, 2010

In Canada it might, but what does the Economist have to gain by calling Harper a dictator? It caters mainly to the US, the EU, Chinese and Indian politics.

What it says is that this issue actually carries a lot more weight than Conservative partisans at home would like to give credit to. Hence, the dismissal of the public, the polls and the media outlets that cover them. The problem is, for Conservatives it's their own house that's on fire. The CPC has looked to papers like the Calgary Herald and the Globe and Mail for endorsements, not to mention international support and prestige from such right of centre business and politics mags such as the Economist. Especially the Globe and Mail, though. It's a way of sewing up the moderate vote. With this latest move, the Conservatives have alienated pretty much every single media outlet except the National Post which is so right wing that it was never going anywhere anyways.

In three weeks the liberals and the NDp will be whining about something else, in fact I'm sure it will be as soon as Harper appoints new senators to fill the vacancies.

capricorn · January 7, 2010

The coverage in the media is mystifying. I suspect the media is whipping it up because controversy sells.

That and the media is whipping it up because of measly pickings to be found in political news to report and comment on. It is expected that Harper will announce new Senators tomorrow. That will provide fresh meat they can pounce on and, a new cycle of news and opinion will commence.

Oleg Bach · January 7, 2010

Absense makes the heart grow fonder - let the Progration continue for at least a year - by then politicals will figure out how useless they really are.