Harper to prorogue parliament AGAIN?

[Smallc]

In politics everything is related.

Right.....taxes and hockey.

[nicky10013]

Right.....taxes and hockey.

Speaking of taxes and hockey, who paid for the hockey tickets and flights for all the Leaf games he's been to?

[Alta4ever]

Then get the PM to sue me for libel. God knows he's done it before.

The point is the argument I made is completely true. Everyone knows that no cabinet member or general MP can make any statement without pre-authorization from the PMO. If it comes out of the mouth of an MP or Cabinet member, it comes straight from the top. Everything comes straight from the top. Remember Ronna Ambrose delivering her "environmental policy." Oh wait, that was Harper.

Why? Because ever since the 2004 election where a bunch of candidates ran their mouths and embarassed the party with their right wing reactionary rhetoric. He's so deathly afraid of the hidden agenda stuff coming back that he can't trust the members of his own caucus to speak independently.

This is why, after Harper is gone there is no way the party can stay together.

Prove it how is your statement completely true.

Lets have the proof

you called the caucus liars and hypocrites, lets see it, lets see the itemized list caucus member by caucus member.

All you have posted so far is the oh so scary hidden agenda argument that hasn't washed now at least 2 or 3 years. Grow up

lets see some sourced proof.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Speaking of taxes and hockey, who paid for the hockey tickets and flights for all the Leaf games he's been to?

I will bet a dollar his name wasn't Steve....

[Oleg Bach]

Harper is just taking time to re-calibrate...what ever that means. It might just be time that is needed for the Conservatives to find other ways of controlling the nation other than common government..besides those pesky liberals will eventually ruin what is left of the economy..not to mention passing some other law allowing dogs and chickens to enter the once sacred bond of matrimony. It was traditional family that brought us to this point of prosperity. Not a bunch of gay guys telling women what to wear and vomit till they looked like teenage boys. It was not the teacher handing out condomns to twelve year olds insisting that they never marry by have one hundred partners and screw their brains out while evil people run circles around state created hedonists.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Harper is just taking time to re-calibrate...what ever that means. It might just be time that is needed for the Conservatives to find other ways of controlling the nation other than common government..besides those pesky liberals will eventually ruin what is left of the economy..not to mention passing some other law allowing dogs and chickens to enter the once sacred bond of matrimony. It was traditional family that brought us to this point of prosperity. Not a bunch of gay guys telling women what to wear and vomit till they looked like teenage boys. It was not the teacher handing out condomns to twelve year olds insisting that they never marry by have one hundred partners and screw their brains out while evil people run circles around state created hedonists.

Times have changed Oleg. I am 50 and have seen a few things in my time. I remember when things were different.

[nicky10013]

Prove it how is your statement completely true.

Lets have the proof

you called the caucus liars and hypocrites, lets see it, lets see the itemized list caucus member by caucus member.

All you have posted so far is the oh so scary hidden agenda argument that hasn't washed now at least 2 or 3 years. Grow up

lets see some sourced proof.

Well, Harper broke his own election law, Flaherty lied about income tax trusts, what's her face lied about the nuclear isotopes issue. Actually, pretty much everyone lied about that. Baird lied about the economic impact of environmental change policy...that seems to me about all the important people in the caucus. Most importantly (I forgot) they lied to Canadians about the legality of coalitions.

As for orders from the PMO, there are somethings everyone knows but is never confirmed until someone writes a book. Any person who knows anything about this Conservative government will tell you its the most centralized and closed government in the history of Canadian politics. Just look at how he's suspended parliament.

He's even made an enemy out of Macleans which, when you're the CPC, is a REALLY hard thing to do. Just read this article.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/01/06/actual-questions-to-dear-abby-as-answered-by-stephen-harper/

[Alta4ever]

Right.....taxes and hockey.

In January 2000 Manley came out with a 20 million dollar bailout package for Canadian hockey teams, that was only though to be 25% of the plan as provinces and cities were to come up with 75% to the tune of a total 80 million dollars. What stopped it was the publics opposition, and that black eye to the then federal government who had not offered any tax, helped lead to the tax break in the 2000 budget.

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL8559042M/Tax_Me_I'm_Canadian

[nicky10013]

I will bet a dollar his name wasn't Steve....

Is the amount so low because you knew you'd lose?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Is the amount so low because you knew you'd lose?

There is a good bet!

[nicky10013]

In January 2000 Manley came out with a 20 million dollar bailout package for Canadian hockey teams, that was only though to be 25% of the plan as provinces and cities were to come up with 75% to the tune of a total 80 million dollars. What stopped it was the publics opposition, and that black eye to the then federal government who had not offered any tax, helped lead to the tax break in the 2000 budget.

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL8559042M/Tax_Me_I'm_Canadian

Bahahah and if he didn't you westerners would just blame Toronto Liberals for robbing Edmonton and Calgary of their hockey teams. Probably Ottawa, too.

[Alta4ever]

Well, Harper broke his own election law, Flaherty lied about income tax trusts, what's her face lied about the nuclear isotopes issue. Actually, pretty much everyone lied about that. Baird lied about the economic impact of environmental change policy...that seems to me about all the important people in the caucus. Most importantly (I forgot) they lied to Canadians about the legality of coalitions.

As for orders from the PMO, there are somethings everyone knows but is never confirmed until someone writes a book. Any person who knows anything about this Conservative government will tell you its the most centralized and closed government in the history of Canadian politics. Just look at how he's suspended parliament.

He's even made an enemy out of Macleans which, when you're the CPC, is a REALLY hard thing to do. Just read this article.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/01/06/actual-questions-to-dear-abby-as-answered-by-stephen-harper/

So thats 3 members out of 145.

Weak examples at that

Really no different then Chretien and his 1993 campaign on removing the GST.

[Alta4ever]

Bahahah and if he didn't you westerners would just blame Toronto Liberals for robbing Edmonton and Calgary of their hockey teams. Probably Ottawa, too.

He didn't bail them out we the poeple didn't allow it.

[nicky10013]

So thats 3 members out of 145.

Weak examples at that

Really no different then Chretien and his 1993 campaign on removing the GST.

Yet Conservatives still bring it up. Conservatives always say of the Liberals "do as we say and not as we do" referring to past scandals. Well, the Conservatives themselves are pretty good at it. It just takes the form of "Well, the Liberals did it first!" As if it makes what the party has done any better. It's a tired excuse. The only difference is that the Liberals have actually admitted the party has made mistakes. Try digging up proof of that for me with Harper and the gang.

[Oleg Bach]

Times have changed Oleg. I am 50 and have seen a few things in my time. I remember when things were different.

I was 25 just a few months ago..and now I will be entering my 60th year soon...I can't believe...me the classic Peter Pan is now an old man..who can see the end from my mole hill. Yes Jerry...because we have seen so many seasons, it's clear to us what the changes were...be are witnesses... we saw the what is now un-noticable..what was implimented incrimentally. All I know is that I lived in a meadow and could drink out of the spring..Now I am just an old early warning device.

[nicky10013]

He didn't bail them out we the poeple didn't allow it.

"we the people"

Too funny.

[Oleg Bach]

"we the people"

Too funny.

There is no power in "we the people." Look at America, they have been ranting that for a couple of hundred years and the masses still have no power...none! It is I the individual that stands up on his hind legs and barks that has effect...the majority is always wrong because when democracy flourishes it is mob rule and it does not work.

[nicky10013]

There is no power in "we the people." Look at America, they have been ranting that for a couple of hundred years and the masses still have no power...none! It is I the individual that stands up on his hind legs and barks that has effect...the majority is always wrong because when democracy flourishes it is mob rule and it does not work.

I quoted Churchil a while back and I'll do it again. "Democracy is the worst type of government. Except for all the rest of them."

We have to have at least a little bit of faith in the institution. I was just laughing because I found it personally funny that a Conservative at this point in the life of our parliamentary democracy could actually use such democratically noble words.

[Alta4ever]

Yet Conservatives still bring it up. Conservatives always say of the Liberals "do as we say and not as we do" referring to past scandals. Well, the Conservatives themselves are pretty good at it. It just takes the form of "Well, the Liberals did it first!" As if it makes what the party has done any better. It's a tired excuse. The only difference is that the Liberals have actually admitted the party has made mistakes. Try digging up proof of that for me with Harper and the gang.

I've never seen the liberals actually admit to just how much really went missing during the sponsorship scandal.

What about the liberal government spending 612,0000 in 1999 for a contract with Group action to study if they were gettign good value on the sponsorship dollars

What about the 478 million the liberal government spent to cancel the replacement of the sea king only to talk about tendering a contract for the same helicopters they cancelled a few years later.

Then in 2002 the Prime Minister bought two new jets to ferry him around even though his own government said it was not necessary.

The Gun registry 2 million turned in 2 billion.

Then we have shawinigate, I don't remeber the liberal party taking credit for these blunders do you

[Alta4ever]

There is no power in "we the people." Look at America, they have been ranting that for a couple of hundred years and the masses still have no power...none! It is I the individual that stands up on his hind legs and barks that has effect...the majority is always wrong because when democracy flourishes it is mob rule and it does not work.

public outrage stopped that "bail out", and it was the outrage of us, we the people, the citizens of Canada.

[nicky10013]

I've never seen the liberals actually admit to just how much really went missing during the sponsorship scandal.

What about the liberal government spending 612,0000 in 1999 for a contract with Group action to study if they were gettign good value on the sponsorship dollars

What about the 478 million the liberal government spent to cancel the replacement of the sea king only to talk about tendering a contract for the same helicopters they cancelled a few years later.

Then in 2002 the Prime Minister bought two new jets to ferry him around even though his own government said it was not necessary.

The Gun registry 2 million turned in 2 billion.

Then we have shawinigate, I don't remeber the liberal party taking credit for these blunders do you

Yeah, I actually do. I could be wrong but party members actually went to prison over a few of these things. As for Shawinigan, the PM was cleared. Goes to show you that once accused, no matter the verdict, you're always guilty.

As for sponsorship, I think the program was worth 300,000,000 but only about 1-2 million was funneled out to the Quebec party. For the record, it has all be paid back.

The helicopters were undoubtedly a mistake. The gun registry is a program that I still believe in. Firearms should never be an easy thing to own. I don't care how much pain people have to go through to get firearms.

[nicky10013]

public outrage stopped that "bail out", and it was the outrage of us, we the people, the citizens of Canada.

Sorry, I still find you using "we the people" funny.

[William Ashley]

So thats 3 members out of 145.

Weak examples at that

Really no different then Chretien and his 1993 campaign on removing the GST.

I'm sure it'd be easier for examples to be found if Harper didn't blood oath them all into silence after kidnaping their relatives as a safegaurd.

Accountability yes, openness NO!

The Steven Harper way, pay for no work and Day.

Coming to a demonstration near you! Yeah you just wait harper winter is going to be ending by the time you go back to work.

Edited January 7, 2010 by William Ashley

[Oleg Bach]

I quoted Churchil a while back and I'll do it again. "Democracy is the worst type of government. Except for all the rest of them."

We have to have at least a little bit of faith in the institution. I was just laughing because I found it personally funny that a Conservative at this point in the life of our parliamentary democracy could actually use such democratically noble words.

Real conservatism used to be about conservation of wealth and maintaining a stable society..now it seems that neo-conservatism is about conserving wealth and making sure no one touches your hoarded heap.

[Alta4ever]

Yeah, I actually do. I could be wrong but party members actually went to prison over a few of these things. As for Shawinigan, the PM was cleared. Goes to show you that once accused, no matter the verdict, you're always guilty.

As for sponsorship, I think the program was worth 300,000,000 but only about 1-2 million was funneled out to the Quebec party. For the record, it has all be paid back.

The helicopters were undoubtedly a mistake. The gun registry is a program that I still believe in. Firearms should never be an easy thing to own. I don't care how much pain people have to go through to get firearms.

I really don't care what you personally believe.

The fact is you have slandered an entire caucus with no proof, until you can substantiate your claims against the whole caucus you have lost the argument. But we both know you can't provide that list of each Mp sourced with multiple examples of them lying.