Obama 50, Bush 44

[Shady]

This topic could easily have been placed in the 'Dems are in HUGE trouble' thread. But I really think that because of the significance of this poll, it really needed its own topic.

Obama 50, Bush 44

"Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama's declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they'd rather have his predecessor."

Public Policy Polling

Wow. Just wow. Obama as been such a disaster in the first 11 months of his term, that people are beginning to long for the days of 'Bushitler, scourge of the Enlightened'(phrase not mine). However, I don't think you can really blame the public for this feeling. After all, Obama's pretty much taken everything Bush did bad, and made it 10 times worse. And the things Bush did well, Obama's decided to dismantle.

At this point, former President Carter really needs to think about lending Obama one of his famous sweaters, so that the re-incarnation can truely come to fruition.

[punked]

Yah can you believe he has the same Job approval rate as Reagen did at this point in his presidency. Clear sign he is a failure just Reagen right Shady? Reagen was a failure? Right? Say it.

[Michael Hardner]

I'm surprised that his ratings are so high, given that he's pushing hard for socialized medicine. Good for him.

[Guest American Woman]

From the article:

....20% of voters, including 35% of Republicans, support impeaching Obama for his actions so far. I'm not clear exactly what 'high crimes and misdemeanors' they are using to justify that position but there may be a certain segment of voters on both the right and the left these days that simply think the President doing things they don't agree with is grounds for removal from office. I don't think Obama has a lot to worry about on that front.

:lol:

[Shady]

Yah can you believe he has the same Job approval rate as Reagen did at this point in his presidency. Clear sign he is a failure just Reagen right Shady? Reagen was a failure? Right? Say it.

Your constant comparison of Obama to Reagan (not Reagen) is amusing. However, what you always fail to mention is that Obama started with a much higher initial approval rating, so his crash to below 50% was much faster and steeper than Reagan (again, not Reagen, not sure who he is).

[bush_cheney2004]

Your constant comparison of Obama to Reagan (not Reagen) is amusing. However, what you always fail to mention is that Obama started with a much higher initial approval rating, so his crash to below 50% was much faster and steeper than Reagan (again, not Reagen, not sure who he is).

Obama will wish he was Reagan at this rate of decline in job approval. Reagan even took a bullet to help his policies prevail in a House controlled by the opposition.

[punked]

Obama will wish he was Reagan at this rate of decline in job approval. Reagan even took a bullet to help his policies prevail in a House controlled by the opposition.

Yah that whole first three weeks when he had a much higher approval ratings is something very historically significant isn't? Let's forget the poll numbers are identical for the next 8 months right? You are being silly. Obama's poll numbers look like every president accept Bush who had 9/11 and JFK who had the bay of pigs. President's are shaped by events not polls shady.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yah that whole first three weeks when he had a much higher approval ratings is something very historically significant isn't? Let's forget the poll numbers are identical for the next 8 months right? You are being silly. Obama's poll numbers look like every president accept Bush who had 9/11 and JFK who had the bay of pigs. President's are shaped by events not polls shady.

Just part of the job description....must suck that Dubya had monster ratings compared to Obama at this stage of the game, eh?

Maybe Obama should invade Iraq?

[punked]

Just part of the job description....must suck that Dubya had monster ratings compared to Obama at this stage of the game, eh?

Maybe Obama should invade Iraq?

Maybe Obama should ignore all advice on Terrorist plots and let them attack the US. Although seems like only a really terrible president would do a thing like that.

Polls are a part of the job.

[bush_cheney2004]

Maybe Obama should ignore all advice on Terrorist plots and let them attack the US. Although seems like only a really terrible president would do a thing like that.

Yes...it worked for Clinton and Bush, but not for Obama (Fort Hood massacre).

Polls are a part of the job.

Yes...I just said that.

[BubberMiley]

Yes...it worked for Clinton and Bush, but not for Obama (Fort Hood massacre).

Really? Obama had advice about the Fort Hood shooting before it happened?

Oh right, you just say things whether they're true or not...like Ed Asner is big box office.

[Shady]

Yah that whole first three weeks when he had a much higher approval ratings is something very historically significant isn't? Let's forget the poll numbers are identical for the next 8 months right?

Now you're resorting to lies. Pathetic.

[August1991]

Here's the Gallup graph.

I prefer Rasmussen. IMV, what is significant here is that Obama has held his "Strongly Approve" at about 30% since June 2009. (The numbers bounce around within the margin of error, in statistical textbook fashion.) This fact is going to skew the pollsters' analysis. The US has never had a president with such a large core constituency.

Your constant comparison of Obama to Reagan (not Reagen) is amusing. However, what you always fail to mention is that Obama started with a much higher initial approval rating, so his crash to below 50% was much faster and steeper than Reagan (again, not Reagen, not sure who he is).

Shady, your comparison to Reagan intrigued me. The following quote may make you think again:

The Gallup folks announced that Obama's approval rating has dropped below 50 percent for the first time in his Presidency (49-44). The track which was available last night measured the three-day period between November 17-19. From the Gallup website:

"Among post-World War II presidents, only Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton, and Ronald Reagan dropped below the symbolic majority approval level faster than Obama."

Putting aside President Ford, let us remember what happened in the first mid-term elections of Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

In 1982 - two years after Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter - Republicans lost 26 seats in the house (starting from a relatively weak minority, much as they have now). In 1994 - two years after Clinton defeated George H.W. Bush - the Democrats lost 52 seats and control of the House.

Clinton forced Democrats off the plank for a health care bill. Reagan oversaw unemployment numbers which touched 10.7 percent before it started back down.

Obama's Democrats are facing both.

So, when Gallup points out that Obama is in about the same political position as Reagan and Clinton, don't think 2012. Think 2010.

Link

[bush_cheney2004]

Really? Obama had advice about the Fort Hood shooting before it happened?

Oh right, you just say things whether they're true or not...like Ed Asner is big box office.

How would you know either way? Obama has the watch, and that means watching his ass getting bitten by the same events as his predecessors. It's all part of the game, and it keeps you entertained until...well...you know.

[punked]

Now you're resorting to lies. Pathetic.

Yah numbers are hard shady but they don't lie. So now I would like you to tell about the horrible job Reagan did his first year in office to get such bad Obama like numbers ok? Tell me how bad Reagan was please.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/obama_as_reagan.php

Edited December 10, 2009 by punked

[BubberMiley]

It's all part of the game, and it keeps you entertained until...well...you know.

That's okay. I liked Lou Grant too.

[Shady]

Yah numbers are hard shady but they don't lie.

The numbers aren't "exactly the same" as you stated. But regardless, it's terrible news for Obama. It'd be like a poll in late '81 showing that people were longing for Jimmy Carter again. Spin all you want.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... It'd be like a poll in late '81 showing that people were longing for Jimmy Carter again. Spin all you want.

Wow...that sure puts things in perspective. No way Americans wanted Carter back!

[Guest American Woman]

The numbers aren't "exactly the same" as you stated. But regardless, it's terrible news for Obama. It'd be like a poll in late '81 showing that people were longing for Jimmy Carter again. Spin all you want.

Yep. Terrible news. Just terrible. The fact that his approval rating will go up and down over and over again over the next three years means nothing. What the polls say now, after he's been in office for less than a year, is what's all telling.

But keep getting yourself all worked up over the polls for the next three years; in the meantime, for the next three years at least, Obama is POTUS.

[punked]

The numbers aren't "exactly the same" as you stated. But regardless, it's terrible news for Obama. It'd be like a poll in late '81 showing that people were longing for Jimmy Carter again. Spin all you want.

They had that poll it was called the 1980 election Reagan got 51% and Carter got 42% remember. It is like you forget everything so tell me about the horrible job Reagan did to have such bad Obama like numbers please Shady.

[Shady]

They had that poll it was called the 1980 election Reagan got 51% and Carter got 42% remember.

And they had the other poll on November of '08, when Obama won. However, it looks as though many people are having more than just buyers remorse.

Edited December 11, 2009 by Shady

[punked]

And they had the other poll on November of '08, when Obama won. However, it looks as though many people are having more than just buyers remorse.

Just like Reagan right? Why was Reagan so terrible in his first year Shady?

[August1991]

But keep getting yourself all worked up over the polls for the next three years; in the meantime, for the next three years at least, Obama is POTUS.

AW, Obama may be president until 2012 but I think the question here is what kind of Congress will he face in 2010.

[Oleg Bach]

What has the world come too? Granting a peace prize to a goon that pretends to be black that supports the war for profit crowd world wide. This is totally bizarre - Like I said in the past - Obama is just another Bush with a better singing voice ...my God he looks like Alfred E Neman out of Mad Magazine! BIZZARE! The woman that wept when he won the election still stick in my mind> They like religious fanatics who saw the virgin Mary in a twisted potatoe chip - It's disgusting to realize that America vote with sheer emotion and no regards to logic or the out come of a decision based on silly emotion ...the weeping woman that voted this little boy in should be spanked - that should give them something to cry about!

And always remember this - Reverend Wright....does that still ring an alarm bell? It should!

[bush_cheney2004]

What has the world come too? Granting a peace prize to a goon that pretends to be black that supports the war for profit crowd world wide. This is totally bizarre - Like I said in the past - Obama is just another Bush with a better singing voice ...my God he looks like Alfred E Neman out of Mad Magazine! BIZZARE!

Perfect....your comparison is to yet another American media icon. What Me Worry?

The woman that wept when he won the election still stick in my mind> They like religious fanatics who saw the virgin Mary in a twisted potatoe chip - It's disgusting to realize that America vote with sheer emotion and no regards to logic or the out come of a decision based on silly emotion ...the weeping woman that voted this little boy in should be spanked - that should give them something to cry about!

Why is it disgusting? Americans can vote for any reason they want...and many don't vote at all. Who's logic....yours? First get a direct vote for your own head of state and then we can talk.

And always remember this - Reverend Wright....does that still ring an alarm bell? It should!

Why? The good reverend is an American too, last time I checked. Hell, he assisted in the operating room for LBJ...pretty well connected, eh? Are you seeing the trend yet? You don't have to like it just as much as you can't do anything about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jeremiah_Wright_as_a_Marine_Medic_Tending_to_Pres_Lyndon_Johnson.jpg

Edited December 11, 2009 by bush_cheney2004