PM Harper not on President Obama's Call List

[bush_cheney2004]

...That's why appeasement of the United States, by fighting in their wars is not necessarily in Canada's own best interest. Because at the end of the day they really don't give a damn about anyone else, unless you got the power baby. Nukes and money, that is. And that's partly why we love our anti-American leaders much more.

Then why are you whining so much about this "snub" ??? Is it the "Please Love Us" gene?

[Sir Bandelot]

Then why are you whining so much about this "snub" ???

It's simply about Harper and his relationship to the POTUS, or rather the lack thereof.

Is it the "Please Love Us" gene?

Not at all. Sorry to disillusion you but, we really don't need your love...

If anything along those lines, it would be more like "Please hate them."

[bush_cheney2004]

It's simply about Harper and his relationship to the POTUS, or rather the lack thereof.

"Relationship" ???? Who are you kidding....PM Harper is the leader of the CPC, and just like Chretien / Bush, there is no "relationship"....just interests.

Not at all. Sorry to disillusion you but, we really don't need your love...

If anything along those lines, it would be more like "Please hate them."

Not our love, but even worse, the whole world's love. It's all in the magic of a backpack patch!

[Guest American Woman]

Obama snubs Harper in special meeting with 19 leaders

COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Prime Minister Stephen Harper was left off U.S. President Barack Obama's guest list for an emergency meeting of world leaders in the final hours of the Copenhagen climate talks.

Obama arrived in the Danish capital Friday morning in the hopes his charm and influence could sway the 193 countries here to get a deal done.

Shortly after arriving, the American president headed into a special meeting with 19 other leaders. Among the attendees were Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Chinese Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei, Brazilian President Luiz Lula da Silva and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

The list, provided by the White House, did not include Stephen Harper.

A Harper spokesman said the Danes compiled the list for Obama's people based on a representative mix of regions and carbon emitters.

Furthermore:

Harper had his audience with Obama over lunch Friday. The White House distributed a list of a dozen leaders the U.S. president chatted with in between bites. link

Methinks some have to get over the idea that it's a "snub" every time Harper isn't included in an event Obama is involved in; it's not as it they're BFF, they're world leaders, and I'm guessing that sometimes Harper is involved in world events that Obama isn't.

That's why appeasement of the United States, by fighting in their wars is not necessarily in Canada's own best interest. Because at the end of the day they really don't give a damn about anyone else, unless you got the power baby. Nukes and money, that is. And that's partly why we love our anti-American leaders much more.

Canada, like any other country, ultimately looks out for Canada's best interest. But keep loving your anti-American leaders as you take it as a personal insult every time our leaders don't include Canada. There's nothing pathetic about that attitude at all.

[kimmy]

Canada's left has been hoping for a long time that President Obama would give Prime Minister Harper a punishment that their impotent little selves have been unable to. They have such emotional investment in the idea that Mr Harper is an evil man and that some champion-- Mr Obama perhaps-- will smite him on their behalf. They are seeking any evidence to suggest that such a thing may be happening.

-k

[Shady]

War is the veritable life-blood of the US economy.

Complete nonsense. The United States spends $500 billions dollars on military/defense, where as the United States economy as a whole is about $14 trillion dollars. Do the math before you spout such lies and propaganda.

[August1991]

War is the veritable life-blood of the US economy. The military-industrial complex depends on it, like a shot of vitamins. The super-elite, who are like vampires in that they never come out in broad daylight, need war and blood to keep their businesses running.

And this theory explains why Europe has endured continuous wars over the past few centuries, killing over 50 million people in a recent war, while North America has enjoyed relative peace.

IMV, Europe is from Mars, America is from Venus. Sir Bandelot, check your history books. Which continent is "civilized"?

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As recently as the 1990s some Europeans did nothing - while watching as Yugoslavians wantonly killed each other. (Imagine if North Dakota attacked Saskatchewan. Would Vermont stand by and watch?)

Sir Bandelot, like so many others, you dare consider Europeans "civilized" while you call Americans "violent".

IME, European "civilization" extends no further than the paint on the Mona Lisa. American "civization" is profound, whatever weight Walmart stores must offer in their clothing sizes.

Edited December 22, 2009 by August1991

[bloodyminded]

And this theory explains why Europe has endured continuous wars over the past few centuries, killing over 50 million people in a recent war, while North America has enjoyed relative peace.

IMV, Europe is from Mars, America is from Venus. Sir Bandelot, check your history books. Which continent is "civilized"?

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As recently as the 1990s some Europeans did nothing - while watching as Yugoslavians wantonly killed each other. (Imagine if North Dakota attacked Saskatchewan. Would Vermont stand by and watch?)

Sir Bandelot, like so many others, you dare consider Europeans "civilized" while you call Americans "violent".

IME, European "civilization" extends no further than the paint on the Mona Lisa. American "civization" is profound, whatever weight Walmart stores must offer in their clothing sizes.

While I think America's "civilization" in the sense being used here is a lot dimmer than you do--and this is not Canadian smugness, because I hold ourselves in equally low esteem--I agree with you about Europe.

Would Vermont stand by and watch ND attack Saskatchewan? No...but they'd let out belly-full-of-beer cheers while North Dakota flattened some more...foreign...devils. All it would take is a Bush mainlining fear cynically into their bloodstream, or an Obama pretending to be a gentler version of Churchill.

Canadians, of course, would criticize the Americans, but likely go along anyway, with some pretence that we're "there for better reasons," or something similarly platitudinous and difficult to swallow straight.

So, no, Europe is no better. But let's not pretend to the moral superiority of a pax North Americana. I'm fighting the flu, and am in no mood to vomit in disgust.

Edited December 23, 2009 by bloodyminded

[M.Dancer]

I hold ourselves in equally low esteem

Self esteem issues are probably the reason why you are so often so out to lunch. Like wishing that Vermont becomes a blood thirsty cheerleader, your self loathing craves self abuse. Which is probably why you post here, so I can, like the penitents scourge, mortify your guilty soul.

[Sir Bandelot]

your self loathing craves self abuse. Which is probably why you post here, so I can, like the penitents scourge, mortify your guilty soul.

Well said there, Hannibal.

But it sounds to me more like, the real reason you post here is your loathing for others makes you want to be that scourge!

Get Help

[M.Dancer]

Well said there, Hannibal.

I think the historical figure you are thinking of is Attila the Honey

[William Ashley]

Maybe it has something to do with this part of the same report:

Harper has repeatedly said that he will adhere to a motion passed in Parliament and not extend Canada's military mission beyond 2011.

...just a guess.

Fact is it is a lie anyway. Only about a 50% troop reduction is planned for that date, and the forces will be put into a support role, which may include combat operations as required to defend any support operation they are sent on.

[bloodyminded]

Self esteem issues are probably the reason why you are so often so out to lunch.

But I don't have "self esteem issues," because my identity is not so tied up with self-indulgent patriotic "virtue" that I throw tantrums every time my country is criticized. This is why no one is more delicate of sensibility--dainty even--than the political Right.

Like wishing that Vermont becomes a blood thirsty cheerleader, your self loathing craves self abuse.

If you read my post as "wishing" any such thing, then there's a literacy issue, and I suggest you fight for reimbursement of tuition costs.

Further (and along similar lines), these two scenarios (the first false, the second combatively speculative) aren't really "like" each other in any logical sense.

Which is probably why you post here, so I can, like the penitents scourge, mortify your guilty soul.

Again, it's telling that you consider insufficient nationalism to bespeak of a "guilty soul." That's the logic of the Commissar.

[M.Dancer]

Again, it's telling that you consider insufficient nationalism to bespeak of a "guilty soul." That's the logic of the Commissar.

What's really telling is the straw men and phantasies you come up with ...

[Oleg Bach]

"Relationship" ???? Who are you kidding....PM Harper is the leader of the CPC, and just like Chretien / Bush, there is no "relationship"....just interests.

Not our love, but even worse, the whole world's love. It's all in the magic of a backpack patch!

Harper's job is to maintain the status quo in America and Canada. Right or wrong, lawful or unlawful..and he's doing a damned good job as a middle management sort of guy.

[bloodyminded]

What's really telling is the straw men and phantasies you come up with ...

Ah. So, when you speak of yourself as the "penitents [sic] scourge," and of me as having a "guilty soul" (without explaining what you mean..as if you even could)...that's not a straw man or a "phantasy"--that's sober political discourse?

You don't have to keep insisting that you have no idea what you're talking about. I already believe you.