wulf42 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) Mp's vote to finally abolish the idiotic gun registry! Finally this country is going somewhere....just wait until Mr Harper gets the majority Government then many more great things will happen!! http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2009/11/04/gun-registry-vote004.html#socialcomments-submit Edited November 5, 2009 by wulf42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Well, hold on for a bit, because they haven't actually voted to get rid of it yet. It has to clear 2 more votes in the commons and 3(?) in the Senate. Some experts think it will pass, and I hope it will (I wasn't sure before), but it isn't a done deal yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Good. The gun registry did a few nice things for us. Wasted over a billion developing and implementing it. It only hurt people who legaly want to own a gun and be responsible about it. Does not decrease any crime rate at all. This system was crap to start with. I am glad this is scrapped. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Good. The gun registry did a few nice things for us. Wasted over a billion developing and implementing it. It only hurt people who legaly want to own a gun and be responsible about it. Does not decrease any crime rate at all. This system was crap to start with. I am glad this is scrapped. It isn't over yet. There are still a few hoops to jump through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 It isn't over yet. There are still a few hoops to jump through. It's a start. One that has been needed since inception of the Gun Registry. It would work better if it worked like a marriage registry. I'm registered over at Bob's Guns Gun Guns and live bait shop. So if you are going to get me anything, I could use a shotgun and possibly a couple rifles. Also they sell those warmers that will fit your gun, kind of like the ones people use on their golf clubs. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 LMAO! Yeah well the registry was a joke from the get go. I must admit to liking the concept but hating the implementation. I think the government screwed the pooch big time on this. It became a huge waste of money and achieved very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 It will stall and perhaps die in the Senate. The surprsing thing was that 12 NDP MPs voted for it. It is not like Jack to allow anything but obedience. Quote The government should do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PocketRocket Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 You don't see a lot of firearm violence involving a full-length .303, or 12-gauge shotgun. Commit the resources to handguns and illegal auto and semi-automatic weapons as they're the ones used most in firearm-related crimes. Quote I need another coffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_ON Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 It will stall and perhaps die in the Senate. The surprsing thing was that 12 NDP MPs voted for it. It is not like Jack to allow anything but obedience. Well it's a private member bill, it's really a free vote. This is what convention dictates at least. I'm just happy that I won't have to fund it with my tax dollars any more. Scrap it or start charging a registration fee I don't particularly care which. Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 So what will be developed in the way of better gun controls in the future? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Does anyone have a link to the contents of the bill? Is the registry being disbanded, or is it simply going to remove certain firearms from the registery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 How about tougher sentences for those that do commit crimes with fire arms... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 How about tougher sentences for those that do commit crimes with fire arms... Where is the proof that actually works? If the state is so convinced that prohibition coupled with tougher sentencing is the key to stamping out something like drugs, how about simply prohibiting guns and applying the same rationale? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have no objection to the idea of registering firearms in principle but I could never get my head around spending hundreds of millions to keep track of people who want to obey the law. Unfortunately, I doubt the money saved by scrapping the system will wind up in other law enforcement initiatives. Either way, law enforcement will wind up the losers in this farce. I also think erasing all the data collected to date is just plain stupid and smacks of ideology not common sense. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Does anyone have a link to the contents of the bill? Is the registry being disbanded, or is it simply going to remove certain firearms from the registery? Only long guns. The end of the handgun registry happens if the Tories get a majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Mp's vote to finally abolish the idiotic gun registry! Finally this country is going somewhere....just wait until Mr Harper gets the majority Government then many more great things will happen!! http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2009/11/04/gun-registry-vote004.html#socialcomments-submit a rare cause for cheers in our crumbling country... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 How about tougher sentences for those that do commit crimes with fire arms... It generally doesn't act as a deterrent or at least has never been shown to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 It isn't over yet. There are still a few hoops to jump through. Yeah, but getting past second reading is going to make things a lot easier. The biggest barrier now will be the Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have no objection to the idea of registering firearms in principle but I could never get my head around spending hundreds of millions to keep track of people who want to obey the law. Unfortunately, I doubt the money saved by scrapping the system will wind up in other law enforcement initiatives. Either way, law enforcement will wind up the losers in this farce. I also think erasing all the data collected to date is just plain stupid and smacks of ideology not common sense. What I never can understand about government databases is why they cost so much. I'm from a technical background here, and have developed plenty of software apps, including an Accounts Receivable system for an ISP, but lots of more basic things like Web-based database apps of various kinds. You can get high-end, high-quality, high uptime database systems for, well, the cost of the download. Linking the parts together takes some time, but I can't envision this registry being so complicated that a competent programmer couldn't prototype the damn thing in a month. If you use web-based tools and do the whole thing via a centralized web/database host, I'll wager you could get something like a firearms registry up and running and fully tested within a year, probable development cost couldn't be more than half a million, plus hardware costs, maybe a million. On a philosophical note, I despise the long gun registry, which basically asserted that a bunch of farmers and hunters and folks that live in parts of this country where a gun is a necessity of life were the equivalent of a bunch street hoodlums and psychotics. But as a taxpayer, and what's more as a guy who does this sort of thing for a living, quite frankly I simply cannot comprehend how this registry cost as much as it did. If it costs $10 million, I'd still be wondering "where the hell is the money going?" We live in an age when you can literally build database-driven apps in a matter of weeks from stock bits like PostgreSQL and Drupal, and though the registry started it out several years ago, even in the 1990s there were an enormous number of very cheap tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Where is the proof that actually works? If the state is so convinced that prohibition coupled with tougher sentencing is the key to stamping out something like drugs, how about simply prohibiting guns and applying the same rationale? This comparison is a non sequitur. Just because the government is stupid in handling drugs doesn't mean they automatically will be just as stupid handling the issue of gun registration. That being said, governments DO tend to stupid approaches but there's nothing positive in encouraging them as you are suggesting! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 How about tougher sentences for those that do commit crimes with fire arms... What a nice plan. Bye bye Gun Registry, weapon industry will earn more. Tougher sentences, legal system will earn more. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 What a nice plan. Bye bye Gun Registry, weapon industry will earn more. Tougher sentences, legal system will earn more. So you think we should adopt the Chinese prosciption for people convicted of weapons crimes? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Well it's a private member bill, it's really a free vote. This is what convention dictates at least Perhaps, but Jackboots Layton rarely allows his party to vote any way except whatever 'party policy' determines on purportedly free votes. The end of the handgun registry happens if the Tories get a majority. Oh-oh, the secret agenda lives! I heard the Tories are going to give every adult an automatic weapon and force children to learn how to shoot. Quote The government should do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 So what will be developed in the way of better gun controls in the future? Nothing! there is plenty of gun control still...such as handguns you still need a restricted license and to take a restricted weapons course and with long guns you still need a PAL to buy one or a Pol to own one you already have, just now you won t have to register them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Only long guns. The end of the handgun registry happens if the Tories get a majority. Never happen........Handguns will always need to be registered and will always have tight restrictions ,however hunting rifles and shotguns should not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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