The Democrats Are In HUGE Trouble

Shady · September 7, 2009

If I recall correctly, the Democrats took the majority of the Senate and Congress in 2008. Yes we do know how that went.

Actually, it was 2006. Try and keep up.

GostHacked · September 7, 2009

Actually, it was 2006. Try and keep up.

So your way of proving the Dems are horrible by showing the Dems won both congress and the senate for 2006 AND 2008? And you are also telling me they are in trouble??

Shady · September 7, 2009

So your way of proving the Dems are horrible by showing the Dems won both congress and the senate for 2006 AND 2008? And you are also telling me they are in trouble??

Yes, they won in a similar political environoment. Except in that case, it was on their side. This time, it isn't. Is that so complicated to understand? :blink:

Guthrie · September 7, 2009

Yes, they won in a similar political environoment. Except in that case, it was on their side. This time, it isn't. Is that so complicated to understand?

What about it isn't on their side? if you expect the teabaggers to be anything but a laughable freak show, you're kidding yourself --- beyond that, there is no opposition position - the only thing offered by Republican congressmen is obstructionism

Pliny · September 7, 2009

What about it isn't on their side? if you expect the teabaggers to be anything but a laughable freak show, you're kidding yourself --- beyond that, there is no opposition position - the only thing offered by Republican congressmen is obstructionism

I believe it is you who is kidding himself. But we will see.

Obama gave Pelosi and crew the resposnsibility to come up wiht the health care plan and include the public option as not being an option but a necessary component. No Republicans were consulted in the draughting process. It is clearly not in keeping with Obama's pledge of bi-partisanship.

I think he knows he is pretty far to the left of where the majority of Americans sit. That he insists upon shoving socialism down their throats is just an indication of how much he thinks of himself and how powerful he believes he is. But he isn't representing the will of the nation. He is representing the will of socialist ideologues that know what is best for all individuals. In actuality they do know what is best for the dictatorial State and will destroy the individual - the very thing they were contracted to protect and amazingly enough, especially from all too powerful governments

I think this is a shining moment for Americans to examine and reinvent themselves; and once again shuck the evermore burdensome chains of oppression from their shoulders. A direction completely not in keeping with the global march toward that pale, gray world of big government where your choices are made for you..

Edited September 7, 2009 by Pliny

Guthrie · September 8, 2009

I believe it is you who is kidding himself. But we will see.
Obama gave Pelosi and crew the resposnsibility to come up wiht the health care plan and include the public option as not being an option but a necessary component. No Republicans were consulted in the draughting process. It is clearly not in keeping with Obama's pledge of bi-partisanship.

I think he knows he is pretty far to the left of where the majority of Americans sit. That he insists upon shoving socialism down their throats is just an indication of how much he thinks of himself and how powerful he believes he is. But he isn't representing the will of the nation. He is representing the will of socialist ideologues that know what is best for all individuals. In actuality they do know what is best for the dictatorial State and will destroy the individual - the very thing they were contracted to protect and amazingly enough, especially from all too powerful governments

I think this is a shining moment for Americans to examine and reinvent themselves; and once again shuck the evermore burdensome chains of oppression from their shoulders. A direction completely not in keeping with the global march toward that pale, gray world of big government where your choices are made for you..

1- No, Obama did not give Pelosi such a responsibility --- however, the Constitution did

2- But Yes -- Republicans WERE consulted and have been included in the process despite their failure to do anything but obstruct the workings of govt - all the pulling away from the matter has been by Republicans themselves

3- No, Obama is to the right of where the majority of Americans sit - of course, there are a number of reactionary lap dogs who make such pronouncements as yours without any basis- without any support - without any connection to the real world

4- it is not dictatorial to note ALL humans sometimes need medical attention - and every other developed nation in the world recognizes a govt responsibility in the area of health

5- your spiel about, 'dictatorial states,' is just so much pathetic pap

planetx · September 9, 2009

Virginia Governor - Republican up 15 points <-- blue state
New Jersey Governor - Republican up 11 points <-- blue state

Illinois Senate - Republican up 3 points <-- blue state

Connecticut Senate - Republican up 9 points <-- blue state

Delaware Senate - Republican up 21 points <-- blue state

Florida Senate - Republican up 22 points

And unbelievably, California Senate - Boxer is only up 4 points now! <-- blue state

RCP

And in the latest generic congressional ballot poll, Republicans lead Democrats by 5% points, the largest lead Republicans have had in many years.

And things look even better after the latest Gallup poll...

Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States, Says Gallup Poll

Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.

At the same time, more Americans nationwide are saying this year that they are conservative than have made that claim in any of the last four years.

In 2009, 40% percent of respondents in Gallup surveys that have interviewed more than 160,000 Americans have said that they are either “conservative” (31%) or “very conservative” (9%). That is the highest percentage in any year since 2004.

Only 21% have told Gallup they are liberal, including 16% who say they are “liberal” and 5% who say they are “very liberal.”

CNS

thats 9% who are loony tunes... "conservatives" vote dem all the time. note that there seems to be no "communists" or "socialists"! where is glenn beck getting his numbers!

Pliny · September 9, 2009

1- No, Obama did not give Pelosi such a responsibility --- however, the Constitution did

oh...

2- But Yes -- Republicans WERE consulted and have been included in the process despite their failure to do anything but obstruct the workings of govt - all the pulling away from the matter has been by Republicans themselves

oh...

3- No, Obama is to the right of where the majority of Americans sit - of course, there are a number of reactionary lap dogs who make such pronouncements as yours without any basis- without any support - without any connection to the real world

Where do you live?

4- it is not dictatorial to note ALL humans sometimes need medical attention - and every other developed nation in the world recognizes a govt responsibility in the area of health

Well if it is a government responsibility then perhaps the government should just print some money to cover the expense.

It is the responsibility of the individuals in a society to look after the health care of society, that they choose to transfer their responsibilities to the collective State makes it merely a payment for the convenience of irresponsibility to their fellows. Individuals are made less and less relevant and pay more and more taxes for the convenience of this irresponsibility to society. That's what turns them into lemmings who spout platitudes and slogans in unison while voting for entitlement on their slow march to their utopian pasture. Soon all demand entitlements that no one produces.

5- your spiel about, 'dictatorial states,' is just so much pathetic pap

So dictatorial States meet with your approval?

You know, as long as you follow the dictates of the State there is never a problem until you are no longer of any use to them.

Where would you be without the help of the State? Sick, starving, homeless and alone? Society generally doesn't like leeches abusing charity and that is definitely where leeches end up if left to their own devices. But the State will tolerate and hold them up as needy in a symbiotic relationship that enables them both to feed off the compassionate and unselfish producers of wealth in society who eventually grow weary with the burden. It is at this juncture that the State tumbles and the choice is made between serfdom, the completion of the totalitarian process, and freedom, the return to individual responsibility for society. It is not necessary to continue this cycle of the welfare/warfare state if actual human rights are observed and are not confused as being privilege and/or entitlement from the State.

Shady · September 24, 2009

Generic House Polling Suggests the Republicans Could Regain the House in 2010

Link

Don't worry guys, I'll keep posting, and you keep denying! :lol:

GostHacked · September 24, 2009

Generic House Polling Suggests the Republicans Could Regain the House in 2010
Link

Don't worry guys, I'll keep posting, and you keep denying!

I hope you do keep posting every little gain the Reps get. Because you would look like a really big fool if you posted all this stuff and they lost again to the Dems.

punked · September 24, 2009

Still not worried

BubberMiley · September 24, 2009

Do you even read your links? It's just spin speculating that recent generic House polls showing the Democrats have a 41.2%-37.7% lead might mean the Republicans have a chance to pull ahead in 2010.

You could have more accurately said "Democrats are Winning!" in your link, but I guess that would be too honest.

GostHacked · September 24, 2009

Do you even read your links? It's just spin speculating that recent generic House polls showing the Democrats have a 41.2%-37.7% lead might mean the Republicans have a chance to pull ahead in 2010.
You could have more accurately said "Democrats are Winning!" in your link, but I guess that would be too honest.

I don't think so, he just scans a headline and posts it. Several posters have actually read the links Shady has provided to find evidence conflicting with the message he is trying to get across to us.

Also, why is a generic poll so important??

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/gen...g-suggests.html (this is Shady's link)

Carefull this site will hang your browser some.

Bafumi, Erikson, and Wlezien's analysis doesn't go back before 300 days before the election, but if we take the liberty of extrapolating . . . The current state of the generic polls gives the Democrats .412/(.412+.377) = 52% of the two-party vote. Going to the graph, we see, first, that 52% for the Democrats is near historic lows (comparable to 1946, 1994, and 1998) and that the expected Democratic vote--given that their party holds the White House--is around -3%, or a 53-47 popular vote win for the Republicans.

It's almost a "Below 9000" kind of meme. It also takes a historic low for Reps to win. But you know there is still lots of time before the vote.

Edited September 24, 2009 by GostHacked

Shady · September 25, 2009

Democrats Are Jarred by Drop In Fundraising

Other Democrats and their aides, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal party strategy, said that rhetoric toward big business has grown so antagonistic that it has become increasingly difficult to raise money

Washington Post

punked · September 25, 2009

Democrats Are Jarred by Drop In Fundraising
Other Democrats and their aides, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal party strategy, said that rhetoric toward big business has grown so antagonistic that it has become increasingly difficult to raise money

Washington Post

Still not worried did you see both Governor Races you said would be blow outs are within one point as of today?

GostHacked · September 25, 2009

Democrats Are Jarred by Drop In Fundraising
Other Democrats and their aides, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal party strategy, said that rhetoric toward big business has grown so antagonistic that it has become increasingly difficult to raise money

Washington Post

Thing is the Reps get their money from the same money pool the Dems get their money from.

Shady · September 26, 2009

Thing is the Reps get their money from the same money pool the Dems get their money from.

You're quite misinformed.

Democrats continue to collect more from big donors than Republicans do, with their trio of national committees almost tripling the amount taken in by the GOP committees in first half of the year, according to the FEC. But Republicans are benefiting from much more energized small-dollar contributors

GostHacked · September 26, 2009

You're quite misinformed.
Democrats continue to collect more from big donors than Republicans do, with their trio of national committees almost tripling the amount taken in by the GOP committees in first half of the year, according to the FEC. But Republicans are benefiting from much more energized small-dollar contributors

The money pool is the people, and businesses and lobbyists. Both sides use it.

Shady · October 1, 2009

More Independents Lean GOP; Party Gap Smallest Since '05

Since Barack Obama took office as president in January, the Democratic advantage in leaned party identification has shrunk each quarter, from 13 points in the first quarter (52% to 39%) to 9 points in the second quarter (49% to 40%) and 6 points in the most recent quarter (48% to 42%).

Gallup

Hope n change! :lol:

punked · October 2, 2009

AAAAAAAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddd Obama's numbers are rebounding. Just becuase more people are becoming democrats instead of independents doesn't mean you are winning Shady.

Still not worried.

Shady · October 2, 2009

AAAAAAAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddd Obama's numbers are rebounding. Just becuase more people are becoming democrats instead of independents doesn't mean you are winning Shady.

No, Obama's numbers are not rebounding. LOL, nice try though. :lol:

Still not worried.

You sound a lot like Saddam's spokesman, Baghdad Bob, back in 2002. "No, the American troops are nowhere near Baghdad. And we have defeated them in every battle!"

punked · October 2, 2009

No, Obama's numbers are not rebounding. LOL, nice try though.
You sound a lot like Saddam's spokesman, Baghdad Bob, back in 2002. "No, the American troops are nowhere near Baghdad. And we have defeated them in every battle!"

"Just a month ago, the talk had been about how Obama's approval rating had fallen from its prior, unnatural honeymoon highs. He'd reached 50% in Gallup, a key measure, and seemed ready to dip below 50% at any time.

But a funny thing happened: A further dip never happened. Instead, he leveled out and even seems to be enjoying a modest rebound.

A CBS/New York Times poll put him at 56%-33%, compared to 56%-35% in August. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll has him at 51%-41%, compared to 51%-40% in August. A Fox News poll has him at 54%-39%, compared to 53%-40% in August."

Reeeebbbbbooouuunnddd!

Shady · October 2, 2009

Reeeebbbbbooouuunnddd!

How is flat-lining a rebound? So, because his numbers haven't totally tanked yet, you think he's gaining support? Ooookkkaaayyyy. :rolleyes:

punked · October 2, 2009

How is flat-lining a rebound? So, because his numbers haven't totally tanked yet, you think he's gaining support? Ooookkkaaayyyy.

How about this one the GOP has the worse numbers of any opposition party ever? OUCH!

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/assessing_the_gop_brand.php

Still not scared.

naomiglover · October 2, 2009

Jon Stewart is the best thing out of America since... I can't compare him to anyone. Maybe George Carlin.

He's not only speaking the truth about politics and being funny about it, but what is so refreshing is that he has found a place in the mainstream media.

For Americans: http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/10/0...e-a-fing-idiot/

For Canadians: http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily...009/#clip218016