Omar Khdar

[wyly]

You are a hoot...i am friends with many soldiers and its funny they say the complete opposite as you..

so do us all a favor and don t pretend you speak for vets or members of the Armed Forces because

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

and I have many family members who were and still are in the Forces, of course they are well educated and high ranking and are unlikely to agree with the grunts...and my father and uncles WW2 vets, so I guess I do know what I'm talking about...

[wyly]

What the heck is there to debate ???

seriously he was fighting with the Taliban...... .fact!

He threw a grenade..................................... fact!

He Killed an American soldier........................ fact!

He is An American problem............................fact!

what more do you need?? he is a dirtbag let the Americans dispose of him as they see fit!

all of which are disputed and there is tampered evidence, missing statements if he was tried in a Canadian or american civil court the charges would be dropped and he would never come to trial...so none of what you claim are facts, it can only become fact when proven in a fair court of law something you're unable to grasp...

[ironstone]

Canadian Legal System is very much stronger and more accurate than any American Military Tribunal / Kangaroo Court, but the rabid dogs in Canada don't actually care about Justice for Omar now, do they?

You claim Canada has a stong and accurate legal system.I beg to differ,I think Canada has a rather lenient justice system on the whole.How many times have you read about an individual given a "life sentence" and then he/she is eligible for parole after a few years?Roger Walsh,charged with impaired driving something like 17-18 times and then FINALLY he is given a life sentence for killing a woman while impaired.Yeah sure,a life sentence my ass,eligible for parole after 7 years,and given his history he will surely get behind the wheel again while loaded.

Your beloved Omar Khadr will get the same lenient treatment when he get's back to Canada and be free to ply his trade.Please tell my why you think having Khadr and his terrorist supporting family in Canada is beneficial to Canadians.

[wulf42]

and I have many family members who were and still are in the Forces, of course they are well educated and high ranking and are unlikely to agree with the grunts...and my father and uncles WW2 vets, so I guess I do know what I'm talking about...

oh i see...unless your a high ranking officer and well educated your not important? is that it?

so what you just said is the guys actually doing the fighting opinions are worthless ? I am sure our guys

would love to see your comments and by the way when did i say the rank of the soldiers that i talked to??

I can see into your type and it is scary ....i only hope our soldiers don t think all Canadian's are like you!

[ironstone]

Wow, that's such cool talk, I wish I could be like you, you wild west cowboy.

Care to tell everyone what you know about Taliban style justice?

[Oleg Bach]

Care to tell everyone what you know about Taliban style justice?

"Taliban Justice?" You sound like a parrot without an oringinal thought - I remember being the son of a Russian immigrant in the 50s - the local hips would persecute us and yell "Dirty Germans" - or "F**king French bastards" _ mean while I was born in England and my parents were neither of the names called out. I will tell you one thing, there is probably more justice within the primative and manly Taliban than within our rotten to the core judical system..

[wulf42]

I will tell you one thing, there is probably more justice within the primative and manly Taliban than within our rotten to the core judical system..

Sounds like you support the Taliban?!

Edited September 13, 2009 by wulf42

[Radsickle]

Prosecuted in Canada..lol

what so he can get the 2 years for 1 deal and can walk and get recycled

back into the AL Qaeda hate machine?? oh yeah thats a good idea.......

Which hate machine are you a part of, kid? Do you mimic your Dad's opinions?

[wulf42]

Which hate machine are you a part of, kid? Do you mimic your Dad's opinions?

This comment reflects a Liberal losing an arguement.resort to insults....

Coming from a poster who likely never

served a day in our military.................LOL.....but hey whatever!!

what i am, is a concerned Canadian and Al Qaeda poses a real threat to this country go

to the CSIS website (or are you smarter than them???) and read for yourself the danger

is real and bringing Omar back isn t helping! So why don t you read this then you can take

that foot out of your mouth!! This proves the point end of debate!

http://www.csis.gc.ca/prrts/trrrsm/index-eng.asp

Edited September 13, 2009 by wulf42

[ironstone]

"Taliban Justice?" You sound like a parrot without an oringinal thought - I remember being the son of a Russian immigrant in the 50s - the local hips would persecute us and yell "Dirty Germans" - or "F**king French bastards" _ mean while I was born in England and my parents were neither of the names called out. I will tell you one thing, there is probably more justice within the primative and manly Taliban than within our rotten to the core judical system..

Why didn't you give us some examples of Taliban justice?Tell us how you you think executing young women for trying to get educated is in any sense of the word justice.How about giving a direct answer instead of your usual pointless rants?

[wulf42]

Why didn't you give us some examples of Taliban justice?Tell us how you you think executing young women for trying to get educated is in any sense of the word justice.How about giving a direct answer instead of your usual pointless rants?

Shows the mind set of these posters, Doesn't it?

Edited September 13, 2009 by wulf42

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=American Woman:

I'll say again that I cannot understand why people want this family protected by Canadian courts.

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I can say with certainty that I'm sure glad this family doesn't live in my country and I'm sure glad my country will never allow them entry.

the conduct, alleged or otherwise, of Khadr is not the issue… nor is extending your/the focus to family members. Khadr’s rights as a citizen of Canada should be the main concern; “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.”

I agree that my extending the focus to the family members isn't the issue -- to a certain extent -- because this is the family who raised him, gave him his ideas according to what those defending Khadr are saying -- that it's not his fault that he was fighting with the enemy; he was just doing what he was told. So it seems to me it can't work just one way. If this is the way he was raised, if he believes 'the west,' which includes Canada, is 'bad,' ie: 'the enemy,' and his sister thinks his killing allies is "no big deal," how can that not overlap the whole issue? Because is it true that “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian?” Fact is, Canadians who became Canadians by naturalization were by that very fact subjected to a process that born-in-Canada Canadians weren't subjected to. Furthermore, it's that very notion that I think should be addressed. How is a naturalized Canadian who lives their life abroad, not on Canadian soil, not contributing in any way to Canada, not raising their kids by Canadian values, a "Canadian" the same as those who ARE living there and contributing? I'll say again that I think residency requirements should be part of naturalized citizenship rights if people want to take advantage of the benefits of citizenship.

Maybe I'm bringing this up in the wrong thread, though. But on topic, I don't understand why someone who commits a crime against an American outside of Canada should have the "right" to be tried in Canada. I don't see why someone taken as prisoner in a gunfight against allies should be allowed to be returned home before the war is over; while you, in fact, still have troops fighting in that very war.

One last thought. I can understand why people think Omar would be treated with 'kid gloves' so to speak if he were tried in Canada in light of what his naturalized-citizenship family members have been able to say and do without any repercussions, without any question, by the government.

As I said before, I think in some's attempt to be perceived as tolerant, they are tolerating intolerance; and I would hope Canada would be cautious so that this doesn't become true of Canada as a country. I know Canada likes to be perceived as "multicultural," ie: tolerant of all people/all cultures, but some shouldn't be "tolerated."

[wulf42]

I agree that my extending the focus to the family members isn't the issue -- to a certain extent -- because this is the family who raised him, gave him his ideas according to what those defending Khadr are saying -- that it's not his fault that he was fighting with the enemy; he was just doing what he was told. So it seems to me it can't work just one way. If this is the way he was raised, if he believes 'the west,' which includes Canada, is 'bad,' ie: 'the enemy,' and his sister thinks his killing allies is "no big deal," how can that not overlap the whole issue? Because is it true that “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian?” Fact is, Canadians who became Canadians by naturalization were by that very fact subjected to a process that born-in-Canada Canadians weren't subjected to. Furthermore, it's that very notion that I think should be addressed. How is a naturalized Canadian who lives their life abroad, not on Canadian soil, not contributing in any way to Canada, not raising their kids by Canadian values, a "Canadian" the same as those who ARE living there and contributing? I'll say again that I think residency requirements should be part of naturalized citizenship rights if people want to take advantage of the benefits of citizenship.

Maybe I'm bringing this up in the wrong thread, though. But on topic, I don't understand why someone who commits a crime against an American outside of Canada should have the "right" to be tried in Canada. I don't see why someone taken as prisoner in a gunfight against allies should be allowed to be returned home before the war is over; while you, in fact, still have troops fighting in that very war.

One last thought. I can understand why people think Omar would be treated with 'kid gloves' so to speak if he were tried in Canada in light of what his naturalized-citizenship family members have been able to say and do without any repercussions, without any question, by the government.

As I said before, I think in some's attempt to be perceived as tolerant, they are tolerating intolerance; and I would hope Canada would be cautious so that this doesn't become true of Canada as a country. I know Canada likes to be perceived as "multicultural," ie: tolerant of all people/all cultures, but some shouldn't be "tolerated."

Excellent post!!..........the above reasons is exactly why the Canadian Liberals

hopefully never get into power again! Multiculturalism time has come and gone!

it worked in Trudeau's era but it is a absolute failure for todays politcal environment!

This is one of many reasons Harper is leading in the polls.........

Harper is the man and he is going to get his Majority!!

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/10/Pol...36161252584517/

Edited September 13, 2009 by wulf42

[waldo]

This comment reflects a Liberal losing an arguement.resort to insults....

Coming from a poster who likely never

served a day in our military.................LOL.....but hey whatever!!

what i am, is a concerned Canadian and Al Qaeda poses a real threat to this country go

to the CSIS website (or are you smarter than them???) and read for yourself the danger

is real and bringing Omar back isn t helping! So why don t you read this then you can take

that foot out of your mouth!! This proves the point end of debate!

notwithstanding your own insults prominently on display throughout this thread, there are those that have served in the military who advocate the repatriation of Khadr... one of the most prominent being General Romeo Dallaire - perhaps you've heard of him.

you are prepared to let your own fear pervert the rule of law. You ignore/negate the principled based Canadian court rulings and some of the opinions on display within this thread, choosing instead to throw accusations of "defending terrorists".

[Guest American Woman]

...there are those that have served in the military who advocate the repatriation of Khadr... one of the most prominent being General Romeo Dallaire -. ...

In response to what General Dallaire has said, and on the subject of family accountability, I've started a new thread here.

Edited September 13, 2009 by American Woman

[wulf42]

notwithstanding your own insults prominently on display throughout this thread, there are those that have served in the military who advocate the repatriation of Khadr... one of the most prominent being General Romeo Dallaire - perhaps you've heard of him.

you are prepared to let your own fear pervert the rule of law. You ignore/negate the principled based Canadian court rulings and some of the opinions on display within this thread, choosing instead to throw accusations of "defending terrorists".

And you ignore/negate the fact he is under American control and they

could careless what the Canadian Courts think! they are going to do

with him whatever they want regardless what Canada says!!

[waldo]

Maybe I'm bringing this up in the wrong thread, though. But on topic, I don't understand why someone who commits a crime against an American outside of Canada should have the "right" to be tried in Canada. I don't see why someone taken as prisoner in a gunfight against allies should be allowed to be returned home before the war is over; while you, in fact, still have troops fighting in that very war.

One last thought. I can understand why people think Omar would be treated with 'kid gloves' so to speak if he were tried in Canada in light of what his naturalized-citizenship family members have been able to say and do without any repercussions, without any question, by the government.

As I said before, I think in some's attempt to be perceived as tolerant, they are tolerating intolerance; and I would hope Canada would be cautious so that this doesn't become true of Canada as a country. I know Canada likes to be perceived as "multicultural," ie: tolerant of all people/all cultures, but some shouldn't be "tolerated."

your suggestion of “tolerance” presupposes leniency within due-process… and your own presupposition is prominently displayed when you attach guilt before due-process – i.e. “why someone who commits a crime”.

jurisdiction is at the heart of the matter, if one is prepared to accept and respect that Canadian Charter Rights apply to all Canadians… and the resultant court order ruling to effect remedy to a breach of those Charter Rights.

following repatriation, given the prolific nature of the “Khadr matter”, one should presuppose intense scrutiny of the independent assessments of admissible evidence against Khadr,… and of the determinations on whether any applicable evidence supports charges under Canadian law… and whether Khadr should be tried as an adult or a child.

[waldo]

And you ignore/negate the fact he is under American control and they

could careless what the Canadian Courts think! they are going to do

with him whatever they want regardless what Canada says!!

if the above is truly what you believe... what are you so intensely worried about? If what you state is accurate, at the end of the day, if the Supreme Court does not accept the challenge to the Khadr repatriation order ruling, the Americans will simply say "no" to Canada's request. So, again... with your expressed certainty, what are you so intensely worried about?

do you believe the Americans consider Khadr a "high-value detainee?"

Edited September 13, 2009 by waldo

[wulf42]

if the above is truly what you believe... what are you so intensely worried about? If what you state is accurate, at the end of the day, if the Supreme Court does not accept the challenge to the Khadr repatriation order ruling, the Americans will simply say "no" to Canada's request. So, again... with your expressed certainty, what are you so intensely worried about?

do you believe the Americans consider Khadr a "high-value detainee?"

No i believe they think he is a worthless piece of garbage that if sent back to Canada

will be set free, and i believe they think he is their concern since he commited a crime

against America and that we should stay out of their business!

....and i believe they would be correct on all assumptions!!

[nicky10013]

I agree that my extending the focus to the family members isn't the issue -- to a certain extent -- because this is the family who raised him, gave him his ideas according to what those defending Khadr are saying -- that it's not his fault that he was fighting with the enemy; he was just doing what he was told. So it seems to me it can't work just one way. If this is the way he was raised, if he believes 'the west,' which includes Canada, is 'bad,' ie: 'the enemy,' and his sister thinks his killing allies is "no big deal," how can that not overlap the whole issue? Because is it true that “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian?” Fact is, Canadians who became Canadians by naturalization were by that very fact subjected to a process that born-in-Canada Canadians weren't subjected to. Furthermore, it's that very notion that I think should be addressed. How is a naturalized Canadian who lives their life abroad, not on Canadian soil, not contributing in any way to Canada, not raising their kids by Canadian values, a "Canadian" the same as those who ARE living there and contributing? I'll say again that I think residency requirements should be part of naturalized citizenship rights if people want to take advantage of the benefits of citizenship.

Maybe I'm bringing this up in the wrong thread, though. But on topic, I don't understand why someone who commits a crime against an American outside of Canada should have the "right" to be tried in Canada. I don't see why someone taken as prisoner in a gunfight against allies should be allowed to be returned home before the war is over; while you, in fact, still have troops fighting in that very war.

One last thought. I can understand why people think Omar would be treated with 'kid gloves' so to speak if he were tried in Canada in light of what his naturalized-citizenship family members have been able to say and do without any repercussions, without any question, by the government.

As I said before, I think in some's attempt to be perceived as tolerant, they are tolerating intolerance; and I would hope Canada would be cautious so that this doesn't become true of Canada as a country. I know Canada likes to be perceived as "multicultural," ie: tolerant of all people/all cultures, but some shouldn't be "tolerated."

For this first part, there are multiple debates going on in terms of citizenship. As of right now, though, citizenship is what it is. Every person who holds a Canadian passport has the rights entailed to them as such. Those questions will only be answered if you change the definition of citizenship which I'm not sure is fair but that's my opinion.

As for repatriating people to be tried in Canada, for the most part I agree with what you say. If they do something in the states, they should be tried in the states unless it's a death penalty case in which I believe the Canadian government should ask for clemency (no person should be subjected to the death penalty and this has always been a Canadian stance until Harper came into power). Khadr's case is differen't though. First, Khadr isn't being held as a prisoner of war but a criminal and second, he hasn't been afforded due process which is granted to all other Americans and very likely has been subject to cruel and unusual punishment. If someone is being mistreated, be it in Iran or the United States, I should hope that its the government's duty to attempt to right injustices being meted out against Canadians despte the circumstances.

As for charging the family of recruiting the kid to fight, I think it should be prosecuted if it indeed is the case. Canada is a signatory to the UN treaties and the Geneva convention ban it from occuring. If they can prove this, then yes, they should be subject to prosecution. I should imagine it would prove a very difficult case to prove, however.

[waldo]

No i believe they think he is a worthless piece of garbage that if sent back to Canada

will be set free, and i believe they think he is their concern since he commited a crime

against America and that we should stay out of their business!

....and i believe they would be correct on all assumptions!!

no, you are incorrect - no matter how many times you want to ignore what's been previously stated within this thread, several times. Again... the Federal Court of Appeal order ruling for repatriation instigated the beginning of US/Canada discussions toward facilitating the repatriation ruling... right in the face of your expressed certainty - go figure!

[wyly]

oh i see...unless your a high ranking officer and well educated your not important? is that it?

huh...it was equal to your "I i am friends with many soldiers" "you obviously have no idea what you are talking about."...I guess that went over your head...

so what you just said is the guys actually doing the fighting opinions are worthless ? I am sure our guys

would love to see your comments and by the way when did i say the rank of the soldiers that i talked to??

so what you just said is the senior experienced guys actually giving the orders opinions are worthless?

I can see into your type and it is scary ....i only hope our soldiers don t think all Canadian's are like you![

I can see into your Rambo type and it is very scary...I only hope that type will never run our military it reflects badly on all educated Canadians...

[wulf42]

I can see into your Rambo type and it is very scary...I only hope that type will never run our military it reflects badly on all educated Canadians...

lol......what do you think the Army does exactly...??? Kill the enemy!!! that's why they are called the Army!

Here i think you may want to read up on exactly what the Army

does.....before you go spouting off about the Rambo nonsense!

http://army.ca/wiki/index.php/Infantry

Edited September 13, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

no, you are incorrect - no matter how many times you want to ignore what's been previously stated within this thread, several times. Again... the Federal Court of Appeal order ruling for repatriation instigated the beginning of US/Canada discussions toward facilitating the repatriation ruling... right in the face of your expressed certainty - go figure!

It will be years if ever before that scumbag goes anywhere!!

Once the election is over it will be business as usual and it will be Omar who??

then he will just go back to rotting in Gitmo like a good terrorist!

[Radsickle]

It will be years if ever before that scumbag goes anywhere!!

Once the election is over it will be business as usual and it will be Omar who??

then he will just go back to rotting in Gitmo like a good terrorist!

You're definitely the type that would vote for Harper, kid.