bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) ....At another web site I go to( it's an auto racing web site) I was told basically that it was an Americans "constitutional right" to pay for private health care....A constitutional right to be bilked by the Big Insurance/Big Pharma cabal...Talk about suckers! Correct...it would be unconstitutional in the US to outlaw private pay/insurance for "listed" procedures monopolized by the state. At a minimun, parallel systems would be allowed. As for our system,I'm not as rigid about some private options as other are.For example,the Shouldice Clinic in Toronto has been in existence since before Medicare came into effect.It still operates within the public system.I have no problem with that.If we took that type of lead,and took a look at the French,Dutch,or,Swiss system and tried to find a way to incorperate different forms of private options that can work within a public health care delivery system,we could probably solve alot of the wait time problems... That's very reasonable and an approach that I would readily support so long as I retain a private option for consumers and health care professionals. Others appear apoplectic at such a prospect. They can wait in queues as they please.....suckers! Edited July 26, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 It's time the US catch up with the rest of the developed world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 So to sum things up, Canadians want universal single-payer care with the side option to use American facilities whenever their system breaks down. Sweeet. Are Americans limited to using facilities just in the US? Why should we be limited to using only Canadian facilities? I have private insurance; I can go to any medical facility anywhere in the world I travel. I could travel just for medical if I wanted - US, France, Italy, Greece. I have a hard time understanding your problem with anyone else having free choices?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Are Americans limited to using facilities just in the US? Why should we be limited to using only Canadian facilities? I have private insurance; I can go to any medical facility anywhere in the world I travel. I could travel just for medical if I wanted - US, France, Italy, Greece. I have a hard time understanding your problem with anyone else having free choices?? You are making the case for private choice, as you have insurance. My understanding is that it is illegal to do so for listed procedures within Canada, as this would jump the queue. Universality begins to fray at the edges if we acknowledge that some Canadians seek and get other options elswhere while others are "stuck". Can Canada's system stand on its own without foreign facilities or referrals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Can Canada's system stand on its own without foreign facilities or referrals? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 It's time the US catch up with the rest of the developed world. Why? Have you made such a determination for any other non-compliant nations? Bopping seals on the head also needs to stop, but I have no say in the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Yes. Gotcha.....wink-wink...I know what that means....Hello Seattle ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Why? Have you made such a determination for any other non-compliant nations?Bopping seals on the head also needs to stop, but I have no say in the matter. What does the completly humane and sustainable seal hunt have to do with healthcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well, there are some cases of things that only exist in countries with higher population, and since the US is closer, that's where we usually send to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 What does the completly humane and sustainable seal hunt have to do with healthcare? Absolutely nothing, but many around the globe think that Canada needs to join the rest of the developed world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Absolutely nothing, but many around the globe think that Canada needs to join the rest of the developed world. And many of those countries also have seal culls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well, there are some cases of things that only exist in countries with higher population, and since the US is closer, that's where we usually send to. Sorry...what do you mean? Are you saying that Canada cannot provide universal access and care without foreign facilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 And many of those countries also have seal culls. Correct, so lets dispense with the silly notion of defining and insisting who should join the rest of the "developed world". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Sorry...what do you mean? Are you saying that Canada cannot provide universal access and care without foreign facilities? We live in Canada not the USSR trade with other nations is just fine with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Correct, so lets dispense with the silly notion of defining and insisting who should join the rest of the "developed world". Alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 The bottom line is that hardline right wingers in Canada have never liked universal health care.The idiotic NCC stood against it back in the '60's.They used the same silly reasoning you use now.They were ignored for being backwards then.For the most part,they are regarded as backwards kooks now.At another web site I go to( it's an auto racing web site) I was told basically that it was an Americans "constitutional right" to pay for private health care....A constitutional right to be bilked by the Big Insurance/Big Pharma cabal...Talk about suckers!As for our system,I'm not as rigid about some private options as other are.For example,the Shouldice Clinic in Toronto has been in existence since before Medicare came into effect.It still operates within the public system.I have no problem with that.If we took that type of lead,and took a look at the French,Dutch,or,Swiss system and tried to find a way to incorperate different forms of private options that can work within a public health care delivery system,we could probably solve alot of the wait time problems... I would gladly pay insurance premiums over higher taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lily Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I would gladly pay insurance premiums over higher taxes. I do both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) Sorry...what do you mean? Are you saying that Canada cannot provide universal access and care without foreign facilities? When did I ever say that it could? I love that our government pays for the vast majority of foreign referrals. Edited July 26, 2009 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunata Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Gotcha.....wink-wink...I know what that means....Hello Seattle ! No, obviously you don't get it. My grandmother had heart problems. Within a day she was transported to an Edmonton hospital with specialists and she was treated immediately. My aunt was diagnosed with cancer. She also received treatment right away and is now considered cured. We can and do look after ourselves. I have heard of as many Americans dying in waiting rooms as I have of Canadians dying in wait. You have taken the anomalies and made them out to be the everyday occurrences. Not very honest. But you know this. I have private insurance because I can have it through work at a minimal cost. I have used it once in Italy because I was in Italy at the time of my injury. It's not for queue jumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 When did I ever say that it could? I love that our government pays for the vast majority of foreign referrals. Roger that...which is why I asked for clarification. This is consistent with fulfilling the "prime directive". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 No, obviously you don't get it. My grandmother had heart problems. Within a day she was transported to an Edmonton hospital with specialists and she was treated immediately. My aunt was diagnosed with cancer. She also received treatment right away and is now considered cured.We can and do look after ourselves. That's great, but others have not done as well based on media reports (e.g. neo-natal beds or revascularization). I have heard of as many Americans dying in waiting rooms as I have of Canadians dying in wait. You have taken the anomalies and made them out to be the everyday occurrences. Not very honest. But you know this. It is the "anomalies" that have attracted such attention, not the mundane success stories. The same is true for many Americans, but that isn't very sexy either on your end. I have private insurance because I can have it through work at a minimal cost. I have used it once in Italy because I was in Italy at the time of my injury. It's not for queue jumping. Not for me to judge, but I will note that you have exercised an option that others do not have in a "universal" system, and that speaks volumes. I support your right to have such options, and do not support those who would infringe on those options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 The last stat I saw says that 65% of Canadians have some form of private insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lily Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 It is the "anomalies" that have attracted such attention, not the mundane success stories. The same is true for many Americans, but that isn't very sexy either on your end. So the woman in the OP is representative of our entire system, but a similar person in your country is merely an anomaly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 So the woman in the OP is representative of our entire system, but a similar person in your country is merely an anomaly. No, go back and read it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 The last stat I saw says that 65% of Canadians have some form of private insurance. Can you expand on that please. Private insurance for what services? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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