Why many Canadian people have inaccurate knowledge of China

[Tawasakm]

So people's ideology depend on where they live in?

I hear what you are saying and I know my surmise may be incorrect. His views appear one sided to me. One sided in a fashion which is consistent with someone who has gained his view from a state controlled information system. A nation which has alot more open debate and sources of information seems to me to have a different 'flavour' to opinion pieces. Its merely a thought I am throwing out there in response to repeated unanswered question directed at bjre as to why he would choose to live in Canada as that choice seems wildly inconsistent with his ideology and views. Someone who chose to leave China for a western life, even if still ardently nationalistic toward the PRC, would be more likely to at least be asking some questions and gaining a different perspective.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes it is! Yet it is true is it not?

Perhaps.....the idea of a constitutional monarchy gets lost in the shuffle, yet it was on display in the undemocratic proroque of Parliament.

[Smallc]

undemocratic proroque of Parliament.

Oh yeah.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Perhaps.....the idea of a constitutional monarchy gets lost in the shuffle, yet it was on display in the undemocratic proroque of Parliament.

The tricks and tools of the trade and craft we call politics in Canada. You are most definitely right that we are in fact a constitutional monarchy.

[xul]

I hear what you are saying and I know my surmise may be incorrect. His views appear one sided to me. One sided in a fashion which is consistent with someone who has gained his view from a state controlled information system. A nation which has alot more open debate and sources of information seems to me to have a different 'flavour' to opinion pieces. Its merely a thought I am throwing out there in response to repeated unanswered question directed at bjre as to why he would choose to live in Canada as that choice seems wildly inconsistent with his ideology and views. Someone who chose to leave China for a western life, even if still ardently nationalistic toward the PRC, would be more likely to at least be asking some questions and gaining a different perspective.

If you reviewd all topics bjre started here, such as those "law protects this, law protects that", you would find it's just his style, not relating with from where he collects the information to support his opinion.

In any case, I think partly his opinion is correct. There do have some inaccuracy. BC2004 for one, several days ago he said in that DPRK Nuke's thread that American will not attack DPRk's nuclear establishment because China opposes it, but today he said China has not ability to take over Taiwan. But if China has not ability to defeat small island Taiwan, how can it stop superpower American attacking DPRK? Obviously at least one of his statements is inaccuracy.

Edited June 19, 2009 by xul

[bush_cheney2004]

In any case, I think partly his opinion is correct. There do have some inaccuracy. BC2004 for one, several days ago he said in that DPRK Nuke's thread that American will not attack DPRk's nuclear establishment because China opposes it, but today he said China has not ability to take over Taiwan. But if China has not ability to defeat small island Taiwan, how can it stop superpower American attacking DPRK? Obviously at least one of his statements is inaccuracy.

Two reasons:

1) They don't have to swim to DPRK

2) China buys American debt.

See "Korean War"

[Bonam]

Killing little girls because you think boys are more important is evil by any definition - except, apparently, in China.

Well really they are doing us a favor. Bring China's future population down some as a result of the looming demographic imbalance. If they weren't doing this, a few hundred years from now, the entire human race would be Chinese.

[benny]

China buys American debt.

Here is the main piece of information we need to have in regard to China: what does it intend to do what all these US bonds?

[bush_cheney2004]

Here is the main piece of information we need to have in regard to China: what does it intend to do what all these US bonds?

China plans to buy more...because it has to protect its USA export market from collapse. Both nation's economies need each other, which is why the game with DPRK will not end well for Kim.

[benny]

China plans to buy more...because it has to protect its USA export market from collapse. Both nation's economies need each other, which is why the game with DPRK will not end well for Kim.

China may come to replace America with Africa.

[bush_cheney2004]

China may come to replace America with Africa.

I don't think so....saw a piece just last week concerning American and Chinese investment in Africa, Freeport-McMoRan specifically in the Congo. The Congolese have decided that the Americans really commit to the investment for local job growth and infrstructure development, while the Chinese import foreign workers and discount the need for such development. Canadian mining operations also invest more than the Chinese for the locals.

The Africans prefer American style of economic imperialism. China has many years to learn the ways of a superpower......and it will make mistakes along the way.

[benny]

I don't think so....saw a piece just last week concerning American and Chinese investment in Africa, Freeport-McMoRan specifically in the Congo. The Congolese have decided that the Americans really commit to the investment for local job growth and infrstructure development, while the Chinese import foreign workers and discount the need for such development. Canadian mining operations also invest more than the Chinese for the locals.

The Africans prefer American style of economic imperialism. China has many years to learn the ways of a superpower......and it will make mistakes along the way.

But China is also penetrating Africa through the retail market.

[bush_cheney2004]

But China is also penetrating Africa through the retail market.

Workers need employment to buy such things.

[benny]

Workers need employment to buy such things.

No because Chinese products are cheap.

[bush_cheney2004]

No because Chinese products are cheap.

Like a Sunday in T.J., it's cheap but it's not free.

Somalis come to America...not China.

[benny]

Like a Sunday in T.J., it's cheap but it's not free.

Somalis come to America...not China.

Chinese containers are a bounty for Somali pirates.

[bush_cheney2004]

Chinese containers are a bounty for Somali pirates.

Somali pirates are a bounty for US Navy.

[xul]

Two reasons:

1) They don't have to swim to DPRK

2) China buys American debt.

See "Korean War"

Maybe Obama should sell Taiwan to CPC boss to pay American debts.

LOL. Taiwan is not American property.

I just was a fan of military stuff when I was a middle school student so my knowledge may be also inaccuracy.

I think if PLA starts the offensive, they will attack Taiwan's airports, harbors, C3I system,etc with ballistic and cruise missiles at first. I suppose Taiwan air force will be disabled in several hours after the war begins. Taiwan is a small Island, without top cover, maybe PLA does can swim across the sea without being disturbed.

China does not attack Taiwan just for political and economic reason. Militarily taking over somewhere is easy, but you can not stop them to think what they want. And if they come to street to protest peacefully every day, it may make CPC a big headache. Taiwan economy highly depend on America, if China takes over it, I don't think America will still sustain it and it will become a useless economic burden.

CPC boss knows how to play the game. He knows Taiwan's economy can not afford to confront China mainland in the long term. He knows Obama will not sell Taiwan to China, but it's just a matter of time that some one may do that in next down turn just like this time Bush sold Dalai Lama to him.

About Korean War, What did you want to say? If you read a serious history book and mark the battlefront line before and after China intervened on your map, I can not see what can make you feel so good about the war.

Edited June 19, 2009 by xul

[benny]

Somali pirates are a bounty for US Navy.

No. The US army is the main reason why the US has to sell so many bonds to China.

[bush_cheney2004]

Maybe Obama should sell Taiwan to CPC boss to pay American debts.

LOL. Taiwan is not American property.

nor is it Chinese "property"....it is Taiwanese.

I just was a fun of military stuff when I was a middle school student so my knowledge may be also inaccuracy.

I have sailed WestPac and South China Sea...it was not for fun.

I think if PLA starts the offensive, they will attack Taiwan's airports, harbors, C3I system,etc. I suppose Taiwan air force will be disabled in several hours after the war begins. Taiwan is a small Island, without top cover, maybe PLA does can swim across the sea without disturbing.

They will do none of these things....it would be foolish.

China does not attack Taiwan just for political and economic reason. Militarily taking over somewhere is easy, but you can not stop them to think what they want. And if they come to street to protest peacefully every day, it may make CPC a big headache. Taiwan economy highly depend on America, if China takes over it, I don't think America will still sustain it and it will become a useless economic burden.

America has been where China has yet to go. Power projection with talk is meaningless.

CPC boss knows how to play the game. He knows Taiwan's economy can not afford to confront China mainland in the long term. He knows Obama will not sell Taiwan to China, but it's just a matter of time that some one may do that in next down turn just like this time Bush sell Dalai Lama to him.

China can wait a long time....because it has to.

About Korean War, What did you want to say? If you read a serious history book and mark the battlefront line before and after China intervened on your map, I can not say what can make you feel so good about the war.

That's why I made the reference....no swimming required. China only swim well at Olympics.

[benny]

China would spy less on the US if the US would be more relaxed.

[bush_cheney2004]

China would spy less on the US if the US would be more relaxed.

No.....China spies on the US because it wants to find the way to The Moon.....Yaks don't know this.

[xul]

America has been where China has yet to go. Power projection with talk is meaningless.

Both Bush and Obama must be very foolish that don't despatch Admiral BC2004's battle groups to China to blackmail gold.

China is not Iraq. The numbers and range of F-18 on carriers are limited and you can not sent all of them to attack if enemy can also strike you. And the range of E-2C's radar is also limited, so I suppose you can not sail battle groups too close the coast to fight enemy's land-based airforce during a war if your enemy's plane's range longer than you and it has subs, cruise missiles and electronic countermeasures. If American really wants to intervene, keeping fleet outside Taiwan east coast and sending some anmunition(and evacuate the president if PLA comes ) may be a wise choise.

Taiwan strait is not Pacific Ocean, it's only wide less than 200 miles so there are no need of big ships to across it. If PLA sent thousands of mosquitol boat with radar decoys tugged round it, I don't think limit-numbered F-18 can stop them.

By the way, a aircraft carrier is not a spaceship, it can not sail across oceans in several hours. If it take several days to reach the battle field, I bet the game is over.

[bush_cheney2004]

China is not Iraq. The numbers and range of F-18 on carriers are limited and you can not sent all of them to attack if enemy can also strike you. And the range of E-2C's radar is also limited, so I suppose you can not sail battle groups too close the coast to fight enemy's land-based airforce during a war if your enemy's plane's range longer than you and it has subs, cruise missiles and electronic countermeasures. If American really wants to intervene, keeping fleet outside Taiwan east coast and sending some anmunition(and evacuate the president if PLA comes ) may be a wise chois...

China will not be credible until such talk is replaced by action. America is in China's front yard and back yard, and has been there for 50 years. Do something about it. Learn how to swim across an ocean and smash your enemy in the face...if you dare.

Taiwan strait is not Pacific Ocean, it's only wide less than 200 miles so there are no need of big ships to across it. If PLA sent thousands of mosquitol boat with radar decoys tugged round it, I don't think limit-numbered F-18 can stop them.

Then why is this not done? Copy Americans and British amphib techniques from over 60 years ago!

By the way, a aircraft carrier is not a spaceship, it can not sail across oceans in several hours. If it take several days to reach the battle field, I bet the game is over.

See Yokosuka Naval Base....and USS George Washington (CVN-73).

[Oleg Bach]

BC - how come you know so many technical details about the American Military - are you a general?