benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 I guess it safe to assume they don't get their drugs returned to them and most still have to resort to buying drugs from a gang. I guess if this is what passes for progress then so be it. Decriminalization seems like an even goofier policy really. Ignatieff Supports for Harper's Crime Bill is probably more an electoral calculation than a social policy issue. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 As of 2008, one-quarter of all American inmates are in jail due to drug-related crimes, which are primarily non-violent. The U.S. imprisons a larger proportion of its adult population, for longer sentences of time, than any other country in the world; incarceration rates are racially disproportionate and have skyrocketed. The U.S. has less than five percent of the world’s population, but nearly a quarter of its prisoners. http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/tuliate...warondrugs.html OK...but what does this have to do with Harper's crime bill in Canada ? The US is also the major market for drug trafficking from Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 OK...but what does this have to do with Harper's crime bill in Canada ? The US is also the major market for drug trafficking from Canada. Harper takes his inspiration in the US. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) Harper takes his inspiration in the US. Then so do his voters....and Ignatieff Edited June 21, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Then so do his voters....and Ignatieff Ignatieff probably only seeks to deflect the attention of pro-American Canadian simpletons. Quote
eyeball Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Ignatieff Supports for Harper's Crime Bill is probably more an electoral calculation than a social policy issue. Everything the Liberals do is an election calculation, that's what makes them a more dangerous party. At least with the Conservatives you what you're getting. Voting for the Liberals is always a crap shoot. I still maintain it'll be the supreme court that one way or another steers Canada's policies around pot use in this country. The politicians are just completely hopeless when it comes to figuring it out. In the meantime the gangs, the police, the lawyers etc will continue laughing all the way to the bank. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Ignatieff probably only seeks to deflect the attention of pro-American Canadian simpletons. There is no such thing.....it is not working. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 There is no such thing.....it is not working. The CFL survives by deflecting the attention of NFL Canadian fans. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 The CFL survives by deflecting the attention of NFL Canadian fans. The NHL survives in Canada by not deflecting. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) The NHL survives in Canada by not deflecting. The NHL has survived by becoming increasingly violent. Edited June 21, 2009 by benny Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 The NHL has survived by becoming increasingly violent. So have drug dealers and users. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 So have drug dealers and users. It's a disgrace - yesterday a nasty little gang on the west end shot and killed a rival - he was fifteen - Lord of the Flys perhaps...with violence...excepted as normalacy is the collapse of civilization - I don't understand it - it is a de-matureing of a system - a de-evolution ---and it's probably natural ---we embrace the natural in all forms and dispise the saving grace that is the super natural... Quote
benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 So have drug dealers and users. A PM puts his life on the line. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 A PM puts his life on the line. Your dramatic and some less astute person might contrive that is a threat...are you sure you are okay their benny? Are you some young person sitting in a basement with thoughts of violent revolution - if so - give it up - anything that is worth fighting for is not worth having. Quote
Topaz Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Harper takes his inspiration in the US. Why shouldn't he, he probably backs the NAU and so we have to harmonize a lot with the US. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 A PM puts his life on the line. Your dramatic and some less astute person might contrive that is a threat...are you sure you are okay their benny? Are you some young person sitting in a basement with thoughts of violent revolution - if so - give it up - anything that is worth fighting for is not worth having. Every human being born puts their life on the line with their first breath...anyone that would suggest a person put their life on the line - for some cause is a person that is a parasite and into human sacrafice - that does not work - magic means trick benny ...and your premise is about as valuable as a Roman Catholic priest who thinks if you rape a child - you absorb some sort of power - occult - and occultism is secrecy - trickery and it is not real ---its fraud. Quote
eyeball Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) It's a disgrace - yesterday a nasty little gang on the west end shot and killed a rival - he was fifteen - Lord of the Flys perhaps...with violence...excepted as normalacy is the collapse of civilization - I don't understand it - it is a de-matureing of a system - a de-evolution ---and it's probably natural You can't collapse very far when you haven't really risen too high to start with. Its evolution actually and yes its completely natural. Stay tuned for the evolution of 1. a police state 2. stronger more potent drugs, 3. stronger more violent gangs followed by more evolutions of 1 2 and 3 for the forseeable future. ---we embrace the natural in all forms and dispise the saving grace that is the super natural... I think the preponderance of super-natural beliefs that so many humans are cursed with are certainly amongst the various evolutionary pressures bearing down on the thinking behind this crime bill. Edited June 21, 2009 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 Why shouldn't he, he probably backs the NAU and so we have to harmonize a lot with the US. No you don't.....just live (or die) with your choices. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 In absence of a public consensus about what to do about drugs, a PM has other things to do and therefore should not agonize on that. Quote
normanchateau Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Ignatieff probably only seeks to deflect the attention of pro-American Canadian simpletons. Harper may be pro-American in his drug policies but I wouldn't call him a simpleton. Quote
benny Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Harper may be pro-American in his drug policies but I wouldn't call him a simpleton. To win in Alberta, Ignatieff needs some Harper voters. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 To win in Alberta, Ignatieff needs some Harper voters. You might as well cheer for Layton in Alberta! To be truthful, Iggy may get a couple of seats if Harper screws up any more. Quote
benny Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 You might as well cheer for Layton in Alberta! To be truthful, Iggy may get a couple of seats if Harper screws up any more. Ignatieff doesn't need more than a couple of seats in Alberta. Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 The Liberals didn't vote for C-15 because they support mandatory minima for cannabis. Here's why they supported it:http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/canad...eal_with_gangs/ I don't care what excuse they give for supporting c-15, the fact is the Liberals supported a bill that contains mandaTORY minimums for cannabis offences. In doing so they lost my support and earned my opposition to their party. I will remind everyone I know at every opportunity that Iggy and the Libs supported mandaTORY minimums for cannabis. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I don't care what excuse they give for supporting c-15, the fact is the Liberals supported a bill that contains mandaTORY minimums for cannabis offences. In doing so they lost my support and earned my opposition to their party. I will remind everyone I know at every opportunity that Iggy and the Libs supported mandaTORY minimums for cannabis. Weed laws are foolish. It needs to be legalized, and quickly. Lots of graft from taxes to be had, and a lot of savings from keeping potheads out of jails. The trafficking issue must be handled though. Underage usage must be handled as well. Quote
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