Reward Offered for Obama's birth certificate

[Borg]

At the very least ths site is getting a lot of attention in the U.S. of A.

Hoax or not? it is now a busy site.

Thought some of you might find it interesting.

The more cerebral lefty types here will attempt to dismiss it by attacking the site owners and those who read it - the fact remains this is becoming a huge topic and the media is avoiding it.

Participating organizations listed below.

I believe this topic will continue to grow and eventually the media will not be able to voluntarily ignore it as the presidents approval ratings drop.

Borg

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http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/

Edited April 26, 2009 by Charles Anthony
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[Smallc]

Wow....

[CANADIEN]

I hope the topic will find its place in the media... MAD magazine.

What we have here is a combination of sore losers, right-winginuts and racists, who just cannot accept the Barck Obama won fair and square. And the usual assortment of conspiracy theorists.

They want the full certificate? Even if they had it, they would still find a way to the doubt the facts.

As the Honolulu Star-Bulletin stated, the public is expected to believe there has been "a vast conspiracy involving Obama's parents, state officials, the news media, the Secret Service, think tanks and a host of yet-to-be-uncovered others who have connived since Obama's birth to build a false record so that he could eventually seek the presidency 47 years later."

Edited April 26, 2009 by Charles Anthony
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[BubberMiley]

What we have here is a combination of sore losers, efiht-winginuts and racists, who just cannot accept the Barck Obama won fair and square. And the usual ssortment of conspiracy theorists.

Not to mention scam artists. I wonder if I can get people to send me cash to put up as "reward" money too.

[Topaz]

Even before Obama was President, there were people out there saying he wasn't born in the US and shouldn't be President. I heard this one guy on Bill Cunningham radio show and he said then that he would stop Obama from being president. Well he didn't but it looks like he or some others are still trying. http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100023

[sharkman]

I'd say the scam artists are those who are putting Obama's mug on everything from coins to mugs. They are making huge profits from simple minded lefties who think buying trinkets will allow them to own a piece of Obama. Sad really.

[BubberMiley]

I'd say the scam artists are those who are putting Obama's mug on everything from coins to mugs.

Being entrepreneurial is the American way. Whi is capitalism a scama when it involves Obama's mug?

[Leafless]

I hope the topic will find its place in the media... MAD magazine.

What we have here is a combination of sore losers, right-winginuts and racists, who just cannot accept the Barck Obama won fair and square. And the usual assortment of conspiracy theorists.

They want the full certificate? Even if they had it, they would still find a way to the doubt the facts.

As a left wing nut, you might ask yourself CANADIEN, if this is such a right-wing and racist story, then why in fact has Obama spent up to $1 million hiring various law firms to keep concealed his birth certificate, his college records and other documentation.

Lawyers and plaintiffs in a multitude of lawsuits also have asked why, if a birth certificate actually reflects that Obama was born in Hawaii, has he spent sums estimated by observers of up to $1 million hiring various law firms to keep concealed his birth certificate, his college records and other documentation.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93578

[CANADIEN]

As a left wing nut, you might ask yourself CANADIEN, if this is such a right-wing and racist story, then why in fact has Obama spent up to $1 million hiring various law firms to keep concealed his birth certificate, his college records and other documentation.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93578

I night ask myself that question if I were a nut :lol:

There are two more important questions. If Obama was not born in Hawai, why did the State Government issued a short form birth certificate stating that he was born there, a certificate that has been proved to be authentic by independent sources (the long form would not state anything contrary to the original registration)?

And are people really expected to take a leave of absence from logic and acceot the notion that Obama, his parents, his step-father, the state of hawai, his college, his family, the U.S. Civl service, the government of Kenya, Al-Quaida and who knows how else have been conspiring since his conception to make him the U.S. Prseident by hiding the truth about his birth and childhood?

Edited April 27, 2009 by CANADIEN

[KrustyKidd]

What we have here is a combination of sore losers, right-winginuts and racists, who just cannot accept the Barck Obama won fair and square. And the usual assortment of conspiracy theorists.

I've followed this contention since the democratic primaries when he first entered the race against Hillary and, if I recall, the original request for his BC was made by a lawyer who is a democrat. This is not a new request as no impartial and qualified document examiners have been allowed access to his BC. Remember of course that this document would be 47 years old and, dating and familiarity with ink and paper used at that time would be necessary. A quick perusal from an official is not proof of anything.

Myself, I believe he was born in the US however, the stalling, obfuscation and reluctance to pony up with the original rather than a photo copy on a website is somewhat suspect and does nothing to squelch the suspicious and, even leaves a lingering of doubt in the minds of those such as myself.

[Leafless]

I night ask myself that question if I were a nut :lol:

There are two more important questions. If Obama was not born in Hawai, why did the State Government issued a short form birth certificate stating that he was born there, a certificate that has been proved to be authentic by independent sources (the long form would not state anything contrary to the original registration)?

As usual, and is usually the case with left-wing nuts, CANADIEN offers nothing but personal opinion or hearsay.

Is the certificate you are talking about a 'certification of live birth'?

Because if you are talking about this type of certificate such documents were issued for children NOT born in the state.

This certificate is not the same as a 'authentic birth certificate'.

[lictor616]

At the very least ths site is getting a lot of attention in the U.S. of A.

Hoax or not? it is now a busy site.

Thought some of you might find it interesting.

The more cerebral lefty types here will attempt to dismiss it by attacking the site owners and those who read it - the fact remains this is becoming a huge topic and the media is avoiding it.

Participating organizations listed below.

I believe this topic will continue to grow and eventually the media will not be able to voluntarily ignore it as the presidents approval ratings drop.

Borg

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http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/

If Obama was a citizen... he would have presented a REAL birth certificate within days of such a demand. Instead he took 3 months to produce an internet only version that was poorly manipulated with photoshop...

this whole mess reeks of fraudulence.

Two theories: Either Obama is actaully an adopted denizen of Indonesia and hence unfit to hold the presidency... or he was born in Kenya and consequently.... unfit to hold the presidency... in either case the revolting liver lipped hate filled would-be Commissar of the New World Order is a catastrophe for the world entire...

Edited April 27, 2009 by lictor616

[M.Dancer]

in either case the revolting liver lipped ....

Liver lipped?

What does that mean? Exactly?

[jdobbin]

At the very least ths site is getting a lot of attention in the U.S. of A.

It has?

As Bill Maher noted in an LA Times column, the Republicans had better have something more than bitter accusations.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-...,0,927819.story

And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes.

Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party?

It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. Like Trekkies, but paranoid.

[sharkman]

Looks like old Bill forgot the main ones, like the plummeting economy, Obama's $780 billion dollar package that doesn't start until 2010, and his flip flopping on things like the torture witch hunt. Leftwing bigot Maher is not exactly someone who can give an accurate take on things, which of course is why the LA Times prints his musings.

That list Maher came up with is mostly just proof positive that Obama doesn't have any experience and is in over his head right now. In a year he should be better at this meet and greet stuff, but if the economy is still flatlining, it won't matter.

Edited April 27, 2009 by sharkman

[lictor616]

Liver lipped?

What does that mean? Exactly?

his lips are purplish... sorry if it offends...

[CANADIEN]

I've followed this contention since the democratic primaries when he first entered the race against Hillary and, if I recall, the original request for his BC was made by a lawyer who is a democrat. This is not a new request as no impartial and qualified document examiners have been allowed access to his BC. Remember of course that this document would be 47 years old and, dating and familiarity with ink and paper used at that time would be necessary. A quick perusal from an official is not proof of anything.

Myself, I believe he was born in the US however, the stalling, obfuscation and reluctance to pony up with the original rather than a photo copy on a website is somewhat suspect and does nothing to squelch the suspicious and, even leaves a lingering of doubt in the minds of those such as myself.

The Certification of Live Birth (also known as a short form) t hat was issued by the State of Hawaii's Department of Health on June 6. 2007. was made available to the press, and examined by factcheck.org, a well known independent politics analysis think-ttank that stated it was authentic. The Director of the Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, issued a statement confirming that the Certification of Live Birth submitted for analysis had been issued by her department.

It si happens that one of my past employments have included dealing with birth registrations, as well as short and long form certificates. Hawaii's Certifications of Live Birth contains information abstracted from the complete Certificates of Live Birth (long forms); specifically, the Certifications include:

- the child's name

- the date and hour of birth

- the city, town and location of the birth

- mother's maiden name and race

- father's name and race

- date the birth was filed by the Registrar

Deniers of facts have tried to bolster their weak arguments with, among other things, the allegation that the Obama campaign "lied when saying iy was the official certificate, when it has been confirmed that the true certificate is with the State of Hawaii and looks different". Technically, what was released by the State of Hawaii and made public by the Obama campgn is a certification, not a complete copy of the original record. But the information on the certification is, by law, abstract from the certificate. Those who say that the obama campaign produced a forgery AFTER the State of Hawaii confirmed the document had been issued by them do not know the difference between a certification and a certificate (like the Obama campaign, apparently, and most citizens), or they believe the State of Hawaii issued a certification that contained information different from the originals, or they are lying through their teeth.

I doubt very much the argument would have abatted as the Obama administration requested a birth certificates. Those who deny or can't accept the truth would still have found a way to claim it was a forgery too.

Edited April 28, 2009 by CANADIEN

[lictor616]

The Certificate of Live Birth (also known as a short form) t hat was issued by the State of Hawaii's Department of Health on June 6. 2007. was made available to the press, and examined by factcheck.org, a well known independent politics analysis that stated it was authentic. The Director of the Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, issued a statement confirming that the short form submitted for analysis had been issued by her department.

It si happens that one of my past employments have included dealing with birth registrations, as well as short and long form certificates. Unless the State of Hawaii has different procedures than about anywhere else in North America, the issuance of a certificate (long or short form)means that a state employee viewed the birth registration (or a digitized copy, some states/provinces have digitzed their registrations), and entered that information in a standardized form. In other words, ALL the information on the certificate of live birth is to be found on the original registration and would have been found on a long form had Barack Obama (the only person who can request a birth certificate from his own birth record) requested one.

Had Obama decided to request a long form certificate and make it available, had the State of Hawaii confirmed it had issued, had an independent organization confirmed its authenticity, the same people who rejected the Certificate of live birth would have rejected it on the same worthless grounds.

"factcheck" also pulled out their live copy of the birth certificate because the uploadable version they put up showed a photoshop code... which means factcheck is not worthy of trust in this issue as they provided the american people with a falsified birth certificate... I'd as soon trust the CNN or the National Inquirer then I would "fact"check dot org..

many have found out the PS hoax ... this man gives the account given by most people who ahve done any meaningful research on the subject.

How long till the accusations of "racism" start getting flung around...

It almost makes one wonder... if Bush would have been black... he,d would doubtlessly had been the less criticized president ever...

Edited April 28, 2009 by lictor616

[CANADIEN]

As usual, and is usually the case with left-wing nuts, CANADIEN offers nothing but personal opinion or hearsay.

Is the certificate you are talking about a 'certification of live birth'?

Because if you are talking about this type of certificate such documents were issued for children NOT born in the state.

This certificate is not the same as a 'authentic birth certificate'.

As usual, you do not get it, leafless. let me TRY to explain it to you.

In Hawaii, the term "live birth certificate" is used for the full original record.

The term "live birth certification" is used for an official document, containing abstracted information from the "life birth certificate". While it is true that a certificate and certification can be issued for children born outside the state (under strict conditions of residency in the state by the parents), this has been the case since... 1982 (text of the legislative text). The conspiracy to make foreign-born Obama President of the United States included passing a low allowing for the rigstration of his birth... 21 years too late :lol:

Edited April 28, 2009 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

If Obama was a citizen... he would have presented a REAL birth certificate within days of such a demand. Instead he took 3 months to produce an internet only version that was poorly manipulated with photoshop...

this whole mess reeks of fraudulence.

Two theories: Either Obama is actaully an adopted denizen of Indonesia and hence unfit to hold the presidency... or he was born in Kenya and consequently.... unfit to hold the presidency... in either case the revolting liver lipped hate filled would-be Commissar of the New World Order is a catastrophe for the world entire...

Let's compare that with four facts:

1) The State of Hawaii confirmed that it had issued document posted on the Web by the Obama campaign

2) An independant political analysis think-tank, factcek.org, confirmed that it was indeed an authentic certification of life birth (their report)

3) In Hawaii, a birth certification is an official abstract from the full certificate, and cannot contain information not found in the certificate

4) It comes as surprise that you would believe in one of the most pathetic and disconnected from reality conspiracy theory of our times. After all, Obama is Black.

[CANADIEN]

"factcheck" also pulled out their live copy of the birth certificate because the uploadable version they put up showed a photoshop code... which means factcheck is not worthy of trust in this issue as they provided the american people with a falsified birth certificate... I'd as soon trust the CNN or the National Inquirer then I would "fact"check dot org..

:lol: You really believe that, do you?

Are you also accusing the hawaii department of Health of having lied when they confirmed that they had issued the document viewed by factcheck.org?

Edited April 28, 2009 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

It almost makes one wonder... if Bush would have been black... he,d would doubtlessly had been the less criticized president ever...

He would still have been a liar, a man who started a war under pretense that were later proved unfounded, who botched the war, who presided over an attack on the individual freedoms of his fellow citizens, and who gave his sanction to torture.

Unless you want to argue that a Black president would have been more decent :lol:

Edited April 28, 2009 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

The conspiration to make Barck Obama the President of the United States despite not being born in the US. most have started right when he was born in Kenya. Imagine this. On August 13, 1961 the Honolulu Advertiser published a notice of the birth of a son of a Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama, born on August 4. That notice, and others were supplied to the paper by the State's health authorities, on the basis of birth records received from hospitals.

One must applaud the cleverness of the family, which in less than nine days arranged to bribe a hospital and state official to plant a bogus birth notice so that little Barack would one day become President. Or maybe the whole State government, the government of Kenya, the Democratic Party, the newspaper and al-Queda were into it.

[KrustyKidd]

He would still have been a liar, a man who started a war under pretense that were later proved unfounded, who botched the war, who presided over an attack on the individual freedoms of his fellow citizens, and who gave his sanction to torture.

Unless you want to argue that a Black president would have been more decent :lol:

Can you provide one absolute important lie he told please. Something you know that was a deliberate attempt to deceive rather than just passing on information he believed to be true which was mistaken.

Also wondering how you feel about him freeing more than fifty million people not to mention the hundreds of millions of yet unborn generations. This would make him the greatest advocate of freedom the world has ever known. That surpasses Lincoln, King and all whom many revere. Possibly, you might wish to refer to him as

'Bush the Great' rather than calling him a liar?

The conspiration to make Barck Obama the President of the United States despite not being born in the US. most have started right when he was born in Kenya. Imagine this. On August 13, 1961 the Honolulu Advertiser published a notice of the birth of a son of a Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama, born on August 4. That notice, and others were supplied to the paper by the State's health authorities, on the basis of birth records received from hospitals.

The possibility is not that far fetched. Mother gives birth in Kenya on the fourth and on arrival in the US a few days later, wishing her son to be looked upon as a natural citizen places birth announcement and walks into government office and says hospital forgot to make birth certificate or one of any number of docile paper adjustments.

Of course, nobody having any inclination that someday that document may be closely scrutinized simply complies and makes it up without bothering to check further in order to help this poor woman. Mom gets the BC however, not the live BC which to my understanding is the document in contention which there seems to be no original for.

I just wish Obama would clear it up to shut these troofers up. I mean, since he is a natural born US Citizen, why is he feeding this?

Edited April 28, 2009 by KrustyKidd

[CANADIEN]

Can you provide one absolute important lie he told please. Something you know that was a deliberate attempt to deceive rather than just passing on information he believed to be true which was mistaken.

Also wondering how you feel about him freeing more than fifty million people not to mention the hundreds of millions of yet unborn generations. This would make him the greatest advocate of freedom the world has ever known. That surpasses Lincoln, King and all whom many revere. Possibly, you might wish to refer to him as

'Bush the Great' rather than calling him a liar?

Bush lied, among other things, about the use of torture. As for the "bringing freedom" to the Iraqis, one would have to believe that was the intent of the war. But this is not about Bush, it's about the fact his skin colour has nothing to do with how he's perceived.

The possibility is not that far fetched. Mother gives birth in Kenya on the fourth and on arrival in the US a few days later, wishing her son to be looked upon as a natural citizen places birth announcement and walks into government office and says hospital forgot to make birth certificate or one of any number of docile paper adjustments.

Of course, nobody having any inclination that someday that document may be closely scrutinized simply complies and makes it up without bothering to check further in order to help this poor woman.

We'll start with the fact that there would have been only one reason for her mother to do so - wanting, right from the moment of birth, from her son to become President of the United States. The requirement to be "natural born", that be not only a citizen but to be born in a territory subject to US authority, exists in only two cases - to become President and Vice_president. Baby Barack was already a U.S.. citizen.

Mom gets the BC however, not the live BC which to my understanding is the document in contention which there seems to be no original for.

Your understanding is faulty. A certificate of live birth (long form) was issued by the hospital and filed in the records of the Hawaii Department of Health (or, if one has to believe the "Mom gave birth in Kenya, then flew to Hawaii because her more pressing priority was to make sure baby Barack would one day because U.S. President, a certificate was issued when some clerk was dumb enough to believe that"they forgot to register my son's birth at the hospital", then it was filed" theory).

A certification was issued at the request of Barack Obama in 2007; under law, it consists of information abstracted from the original birth certificate as kept by the Department of Health, and is stamped by that office certifying that the information comes from the certificate they have on file. In this case, the Department has gone as far as issuing a statement confirming that they did issue the certification posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign, and that they DO have the birth certificate on file.

(btw, there is no "original birth certification", since certifications are issued only when a person who has a legal right to it requests it, like Obama did in 2007; doesn't change the fact that the certification was based on the certificate in the government files)

I just wish Obama would clear it up to shut these troofers up. I mean, since he is a natural born US Citizen, why is he feeding this?

He has already provided a birth certification, an official document issued by the State of Hawaii, which confirms that there is in the State's records a birth certificate stating that he was born in Honolulu.

The State of Hawaii has already confirmed that they released the birth certification, and has taken the unprecedented step of confirming they have the birth certificate, which they do not have to do since the very issuance of a certification is legally proof enough that there is a certificate in their files.

The fact that the certification was indeed issued by the State of Hawaii, and was not a forgery, was confirmed independently.

What else should Obama do? Provide a copy of the certificate? Have the Hawaii Department of Health grant aaccess to the original birth certificate in their records itself (which, btw, would be against Hawaiian law)? Provide the copy that was given to his parents when the birth was registered (how many people can still find their's 48 years later?) It would solve NOTHING, since the conspiracy nuts, the sore losers and the racists would still find a way to claim either that "this is not the true original" or that "we have proof that false information was provided to the State authorities in 1961". When people are willing to believe that type of nonsense, they're unlikely to change their mind no matter the amount of evidence is shown.

Edited April 28, 2009 by CANADIEN