Muddy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 The thing is you can't prove he had knowledge. \ He was raised in Canada, don`t you think he would know that it is wrong to fight your own country. This soldier he killed could have been a neighbour kid. Quote
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 The thing is you can't prove he had knowledge. It is even more basic than that: one needs to be an adult who has had a sound childhood to process information correctly. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 The thing is you can't prove he had knowledge. Most adults don't have a clue how the world really operates - let alone some snot nosed 15 year old. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 SO all them under 16 years of age "children" that have been charged and found guilty of adult crimes here in Canada may have to be retried because of thier family situation.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 He had certainly access to satellite communications; the American soldiers (and some mercenaries) discover him through them. You mean a cell phone right... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Oleg Bach Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 SO all them under 16 years of age "children" that have been charged and found guilty of adult crimes here in Canada may have to be retried because of thier family situation.... Thats a very risky liberal apporach. If we are going to get all warm hearted and feeling sorry for the those that blame their parents and familiar situation...those that are lower on the social chain - then we had better start forgiving people who commit fraud in excess of 50 billion bucks - maybe the rich guys father taught him to wage economic terrorism - and it's not his fault.. Quote
noahbody Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 You mean a cell phone right... A field commander had a satellite phone. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Thats a very risky liberal apporach. If we are going to get all warm hearted and feeling sorry for the those that blame their parents and familiar situation...those that are lower on the social chain - then we had better start forgiving people who commit fraud in excess of 50 billion bucks - maybe the rich guys father taught him to wage economic terrorism - and it's not his fault.. Not my suggestion Oleg....it's one of Benny's new and improved hug me , hold me, here's a klenex....laws....everyone has an excuse.... It is even more basic than that: one needs to be an adult who has had a sound childhood to process information correctly. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
noahbody Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 \ He was raised in Canada, don`t you think he would know that it is wrong to fight your own country. This soldier he killed could have been a neighbour kid. Yes. And if there is evidence he knew Canada had entered the conflict he should be charged. If there isn't trying him in Canada is the same as setting him free. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 I as an immigrant who came in 1950 and swore my oath in 1960 - AM CANADAIN... now with this huge multi-cultural mess - Canada is not percieved as a nation by our new immigrants..It's no mans land - so Khdar does not have the concept firmly in his being that he was fighting against his OWN country...look at the enlistment of our soldiers - WHITE 10TH GENERATION CHRISTIAN STOCK....CANADA IS THERE COUNTRY... You don't see pictures of dead Asians or Pakistani nationals on the front page of the paper - when one of ours is killed in action. Quote
Muddy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 I as an immigrant who came in 1950 and swore my oath in 1960 - AM CANADAIN... now with this huge multi-cultural mess - Canada is not percieved as a nation by our new immigrants..It's no mans land - so Khdar does not have the concept firmly in his being that he was fighting against his OWN country...look at the enlistment of our soldiers - WHITE 10TH GENERATION CHRISTIAN STOCK....CANADA IS THERE COUNTRY... You don't see pictures of dead Asians or Pakistani nationals on the front page of the paper - when one of ours is killed in action. [/quote Evidently you did not look on the Queens Own Rifles web page to see the young man who won a bravery medal. Although I dislike official multiculturism ,I can not believe for one moment that first, second and third generations born in Canada ,no matter their colour or religion have not got any idea what normal affection for ones country means and all the responsibility it entails that goes along with citizenship. Quote
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Although I dislike official multiculturism ,I can not believe for one moment that first, second and third generations born in Canada ,no matter their colour or religion have not got any idea what normal affection for ones country means and all the responsibility it entails that goes along with citizenship. Al Qaeda members want mainly to show western globalization is unfair and they prove their case by moving into other countries to mess things up. Edited May 22, 2009 by benny Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Al Qaeda members want mainly to show western globalization is unfair and they prove their case by moving into other countries to mess things up. I'm sure you have access to something written by AlQaeda to back that up.... ...but will be unable to find it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 I'm sure you have access to something written by AlQaeda to back that up.......but will be unable to find it. Bin Laden is on tapes saying Middle East oil belongs to the Muslim world (not to a few western Majors). Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Bin Laden is on tapes saying Middle East oil belongs to the Muslim world (not to a few western Majors). As I supposed. You have nothing to back up your idiotic ravings. Mid eastern oil is already owns by the Arabs. They are the ones who sell it to the west. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Al Qaeda members want mainly to show western globalization is unfair and they prove their case by moving into other countries to mess things up. Give us all a break, i think alot of things are unfair...but i don't use terror as a wpn to prove my case....Unfair my ass....I think paying almost a buck a liter for gas is unfair, but i hav'nt suicide bombed any middle eastern oil producing country, i think thier human rights records are unfair, but i don't drive a plane into any buildings, i think harbouring these scumbags within our own country is unfair, but i don't hunt them down like dogs they are on Canadian streets...Unfair....holy shit Bin Laden is on tapes saying Middle East oil belongs to the Muslim world (not to a few western Majors). Bin Ladin is another nut case with his tin fiol hat on to tight....it was Middle eastern oil purchased by western states that gave Bin Laden his nice comfortable life....Middle eastern oil belongs to the highest bidder along with anything else in that country.....including bin laden.... Hey benny your not Bin ladin writing under a false name ....is that you binney....come out .....come out .....where ever you are.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
waldo Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 I'm not a lawyerwhich obviously isn't holding you back within this thread... in a purposeful manner... in a targeted mannerWaldo: So are you saying your a subject matter expert on all the posts you've commented on, in a purposeful manner, in a targeted matter.... your legal determinants are purposeful and targeted... and steer clear of any discussion/reference concerning child soldier status - a purposeful avoidance on your part. That avoidance is clearly your personal prerogative; however, as a self-avowed member of Canada's military, representing Canada, I would not expect to read you, for example, attaching treasonous illegality..... particularly, as Canada (plus 125+ countries) has signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (in general) and (in particular) the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (in general) and (in particular) the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict. Nothing in there precludes poor wittle Omar from facing military justice. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 your legal determinants are purposeful and targeted... and steer clear of any discussion/reference concerning child soldier status - a purposeful avoidance on your part. That avoidance is clearly your personal prerogative; however, as a self-avowed member of Canada's military, representing Canada, I would not expect to read you, for example, attaching treasonous illegality..... particularly, as Canada (plus 125+ countries) has signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (in general) and (in particular) the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict. It's not that i have avoided it , in fact i've mentioned serveral times....but since we are here lets discuss it....one of my main pionts is Why is it that we have here in Canada charged young offenders with adult crimes and why have they recieved adult sentences....IE once they become adults they are transfered into the Adult system....And if we as Canadians have accepted this Practice as some what normal why can it not apply here.... Second Omar does not fit into the child soldier convention as it has been written ....as it does not or has not included acts of terrorism, or terrorist activites....nither has the genva conventions been amended to include any of these acts...other than saying that terrorist prisoners are not accorded any protection under the treaties, and that they shall be treated Humanely.... What i find very frustrating is that if this case is made into precedence it will give any child a free pass regardless of the crimes committed within a war zone....but not on within our city blocks... and yet on the battle field it is OK and acceptable to kill them at will....until we capture them and detain them then we have to watch how we treat them, house them etc etc... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
waldo Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Nothing in there precludes poor wittle Omar from facing military justice. perhaps Human Rights Watch Commentary: Omar Ahmed Khadr Nationality: Canadian Omar Khadr, a 21-year-old Canadian, was just 15 when he was captured and seriously injured in a firefight in Afghanistan on July 27, 2002. The US has accused Khadr of throwing the grenade that killed US Army Sergeant First Class Christopher Speer and injured two others. He is charged with murder and attempted murder in violation of the laws of war, conspiracy to commit terrorism, providing material support for terrorism, and spying. In spite of his juvenile status at the time of his capture, the United States has refused to acknowledge his status as a child, or to apply universally recognized standards of juvenile justice in his case. Both US and international law allow for detention of juveniles only as a last resort, require juveniles to be provided educational opportunities and housed separately from adults, and mandate a prompt determination of all cases involving children. Yet, Khadr has been incarcerated with adults, reportedly subjected to abusive interrogations, and not been provided any educational opportunities (as have other children at Guantanamo). In addition, he was detained for more than two years before he was provided access to an attorney, and for more than three years before he was charged. He was initially charged in the first round of military commissions, which were ultimately struck down by the Supreme Court. Another two years passed before he was re-charged before the current military commissions. Quote
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 Mid eastern oil is already owns by the Arabs. They are the ones who sell it to the west. By very few Arab families rather (including Bin Laden's own family). Quote
waldo Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 and yet on the battle field it is OK and acceptable to kill them at will....until we capture them and detain them then we have to watch how we treat them, house them etc etc... to be clear: you are stating that... knowing you are facing a child... on the battle field... you have sanctioned authority to "kill them at will". Is that correct? Quote
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 By very few Arab families rather (including Bin Laden's own family). I thought binnies family made thier money in construction.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
benny Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 I thought binnies family made thier money in construction.... Constructions in Saudi Arabia are made and paid for by the heirs of the Saudi founding family. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 22, 2009 Report Posted May 22, 2009 I thought binnies family made thier money in construction.... They made their money being Saudis --- when you are part of the elite - you can lable yourself what you want - construction - oil merchant - lawyer..etc - and you really don't have to produce - you have the lower ones do the work..and if they don't make YOU successful - you inflict a crimminal charge on them and chop off their hands....I am not impressed with the Bin Laden's family or their hero son who they are so damned proud of - while their American buisness associates sit like impident doinks. Quote
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