benny Posted May 24, 2009 Report Posted May 24, 2009 (edited) I made my share - and in Toronto dogs out number new born humans - but when I see a fresh child with sparkling parents - I am delighted---- are you saying we should get old fashioned and start expanding the tribe? It may be to late - woman are liberated and men are feminized or bitter - to bad - that we are a disolving tribe that in time will be gone for all eternity - unless we start kissing now..and trusting - and breeding - and having joy - the joy and adventure that is family life. I guess that the Khadr family is large because the spouses were hoping that at least one or two of their children would survive to see the end of the Jihad. Edited May 24, 2009 by benny Quote
Army Guy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 to be clear: you are stating that... knowing you are facing a child... on the battle field... you have sanctioned authority to "kill them at will". Is that correct? If they fall within the ROE, then yes deadly force is authorized by our government...It is not uncommon in Afghan to have armed taliban insurgents at the age of 10 and up....that would not hesitate to put a round in a NATO soldier...On the battle field average confrontation is between 2 and 300 meters hard to tell exactly what age they are at that distance.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 What the 60 minutes video shows and the picture you paint are two very different scenes. Does it not show him and his buddies planting mines ? does it not show him handling mines and explosive material, does he not brag about wanting to kill many American soldiers,....add the confessions of US soldiers and you might get a clear picture.... Are you talking about the current circus of a trial in Gitmo or a possible Canadian trial? Who is `we'? We as in Canadians, and his future trail here... What precedent?! You're fear-mongering. His brothers, let me ask you this have any of them recieved a large payout ? His younger brother, returned with serve wounds recieved in the shot out that killed his father, now free and living and using Canadian tax dollars, his older brother is waiting extradition, for terrorist activties.... his sister, already confessed to helping out with fund raisers for Terrorist activties.... What precedent give me a break don't you see a pattern here.... Again, you're fear-mongering... and again I ask, have you ever met Mr. Omar Khadr? And i suppose you have, i guess that puts us in the same boat does it not....A leopard does not change it's spots....this kid has been training to be a terrorist since he was 10 years old.... Would I have? You really should do some research on the terror this groups bring the Afghan people ....and then tell me mr Omar is not dangerous.... You keep speaking of crimes committed. Please provide a link or something other than hear-say to back up your claims.... Only a court can decide whether crimes were committed.... are you the court? Actually the Canadian government along with the Afghan governmet make the laws, and while in Afghan NATO assist in enforceing them.... in order to enforce them you must know them....But hey don't take my word for it....research it...Murder, terrorist activities, bomb making.... A court of law determines guilt nothing more... Your list claims that Omar KHadr has been proven to have "killed".... Your list is propaganda, not truth. I guess your right there is no terrorists in Canada, because of some mix up in the wording of one terrorist..... In other words, for those of you who don't understand complicated sentences, Omar didn't commit treason. I guess i must be one of those.....Are you saying it is impossiable to be charged with treason outside of Canada....if you are show me a link.... It clearly says at the bottom of the art that it is illigal to do any of the examples they mention outside of Canada..... He didn't want to live in his father's nightmares anymore. Bullshit, now who is making stuff up..... His sister, in another interview a few years ago, asked a very good question. She complained about the moral inequality that no one seems to care about a boy who's childhood friends have all just been killed in front of him; yet everyone thinks Omar is horrible for (perhaps) killing one American. She asks, "So what?" Most Canadians gasped in horror when she said that but it was a valid and rational question. Oh the horror, had he found another ocupation perhaps his freinds may be alive.....they had no problems gunning down 3 Afghan soldiers, had no problems engaging US troops, with rifle fire and grenades....and we are supposed to say so what, lets forget about all that over a few beers.... HE IS A TERRORIST, nothing more Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
benny Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 A terrorist is someone, like Bush, who makes us believe in the existence of weapons of mass destruction. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 A terrorist is someone, like Bush, who makes us believe in the existence of weapons of mass destruction. Thats the problem benny you would'nt know a terrorist if he bit you in the ass....Can you honestly tell me after nearly 5 years of terrorist training that young Omar did not know his new deadly craft would be used to terrorize people, Afghan people, NATO soldiers,....he knew and failed to do anything about it.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Which is why he ended up where he is now. Even so, I do not believe him to be a traitor, just a criminal who needs to find his justice where he committed his crime. Quote
Muddy Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 A terrorist is someone, like Bush, who makes us believe in the existence of weapons of mass destruction. The leadership propaganda machine of Iraq were trying their best to convince us they had them. They stopped the UN inspectors from doing their job of proving or disproving if they had them! Meanwhile you have tried once again to get off the subject at hand because you are losing your argument. Quote
benny Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 Thats the problem benny you would'nt know a terrorist if he bit you in the ass....Can you honestly tell me after nearly 5 years of terrorist training that young Omar did not know his new deadly craft would be used to terrorize people, Afghan people, NATO soldiers,....he knew and failed to do anything about it.... Omar is just a vanishing echo of the terrorizing Cold War that was playing out on Afghan territory. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 An echo that will heard for some time into the future I think. Quote
benny Posted May 25, 2009 Report Posted May 25, 2009 An echo that will heard for some time into the future I think. Let's hope so! Quote
Radsickle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 To be polite I will answer your questions, I live approximately one half hour down the road from you. I am former Canadian Soldier like most of my family before me. Because you disagree with me does not make me less of a Canadian than you. Well, to be polite, I apologize for questioning your allegiance. I was upset that you considered the treason accusation against Omar to be obvious. It is not treason. Quote
benny Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Because biopolitics doesn't easily allow beneficial changes to take place, we may very well have to thank people like Omar, in the long run. Quote
Radsickle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 If they fall within the ROE, then yes deadly force is authorized by our government...It is not uncommon in Afghan to have armed taliban insurgents at the age of 10 and up....that would not hesitate to put a round in a NATO soldier...On the battle field average confrontation is between 2 and 300 meters hard to tell exactly what age they are at that distance.... Deadly force should be used, without any worry or hesitation that civi, armchair-warriors like me will attack you for doing so. I won't. If any human tries to plant mines along your routes, I hope you plant many bullets in them. But the videos showing Omar aren't as clear-cut as you see them. It is not clear whether they're planting mines, it is not clear he even knows what he's holding in the infamous `handling and assembling explosives' part of that video, and it is not clear where you've heard him bragging about wanting to kill American soldiers. I've heard the confessions of the US soldiers and the US interrogators and they don't clear it up either.... It is not patriotic to perpetuate rumours. Let the Canadian Court decide whether this citizen is guilty. Quote
benny Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Deadly force should be used, without any worry or hesitation that civi, armchair-warriors like me will attack you for doing so. I won't. If any human tries to plant mines along your routes, I hope you plant many bullets in them. Jesus asks to "turn the other cheek" though. Quote
Radsickle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Thats the problem benny you would'nt know a terrorist if he bit you in the ass....Can you honestly tell me after nearly 5 years of terrorist training that young Omar did not know his new deadly craft would be used to terrorize people, Afghan people, NATO soldiers,....he knew and failed to do anything about it.... .... That's another thing... where's this 5 years of training? and... are you sure it wasn't an Ontario summer camp? Maybe Omar was asking to be shot because he was blackmailed by whoever videotaped him. Why was he videotaped? Where's the rest of the video? Will we recognize a different Omar if the Pentagon released the whole tape? Quote
Radsickle Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) Because biopolitics doesn't easily allow beneficial changes to take place, we may very well have to thank people like Omar, in the long run. Like Penicillin Edited May 27, 2009 by Radsickle Quote
Army Guy Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 .... That's another thing... where's this 5 years of training? and... are you sure it wasn't an Ontario summer camp? In summer 2002, Omar Khadr allegedly received approximately one month of private al Qaeda basic training consisting in the use of rocket propelled grenades, rifles, pistols, hand grenades and explosives. He is said to have conducted surveillance and reconnaissance against the U.S. military. Khadr is also said to have received one month of land mine training and to have joined a group of al Qaeda operatives, to have converted land mines to improvised explosive devices and to have planted them in the ground where, based on previous surveillance, U.S. troops were expected to be traveling. training June, 2002: Khadr is now 14, and has been training on AK-47s, Soviet PKs and rocket-propelled grenades. He works as a translator for al-Qaeda and conducts a surveillance mission, spying on U.S. military convoys at an airbase in Khost, Afghanistan. July 20, 2002: Khadr plants 10 land mines in the mountains between Gardez and Khost, which are intended to strike U.S. military targets. time line I guess that would depend on what they are teaching in Ontario summer camps....considering the group from toronto that was charged and trained in northern ont..... pictures Maybe Omar was asking to be shot because he was blackmailed by whoever videotaped him. Why was he videotaped? Black mailed for what.....his father was a high ranking Terrorist.....Why do you video tape you and your family ? Well, to be polite, I apologize for questioning your allegiance. I was upset that you considered the treason accusation against Omar to be obvious. It is not treason. I've produced the defination of treason, and although it is not black and white clear....what do you call it when your nation is involved in combat operations and you fight for the other side...I 'm curious, i mean you've denouced my defination, but we have yet to clear it up... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 I maintain he is a criminal, I denounce him as a Canadian and offer him justice in Afganistan. Quote
benny Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Like Penicillin No, like a big refugee camp. Quote
Muddy Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Well, to be polite, I apologize for questioning your allegiance. I was upset that you considered the treason accusation against Omar to be obvious. It is not treason. Your gracious apology is accepted. I will how ever look upon any citizen of Canada who takes up arms against our soldiers or allies in time of war as traitors to my country. The Lad he killed could just as well been a nieghbour boy from down the block or from the same school as him. Quote
benny Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 The Lad he killed could just as well been a nieghbour boy from down the block or from the same school as him. Fable! Quote
noahbody Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Fable! How about "the lads he attempted to kill"? The murder charge which looks like it might be hard to prove gets all the press, but he is also charged with attempted murder for planting mines. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 How about "the lads he attempted to kill"? The murder charge which looks like it might be hard to prove gets all the press, but he is also charged with attempted murder for planting mines. That one is easier to prove? Quote
Muddy Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 Fable! Was he fighting against Canada and her allies or not? This is beyond dispute as he has admitted as much. Is he a Canadian citizen? Yes ,this too is a fact. No fable about it. He was planting mines for Canadian or allied soldiers to injure ,maim or kill. Fact. Quote
noahbody Posted May 27, 2009 Report Posted May 27, 2009 That one is easier to prove? If it's all on video, yes. Quote
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