GostHacked Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/25/a...e_n_179154.html That article even states that teleprompters have been used in some form or another since about 1960. So teleprompters are nothing new, they have just progressed with the technology. All leaders use teleprompters. Well most of them anyways. Quote
Shady Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Posted March 26, 2009 That article even states that teleprompters have been used in some form or another since about 1960. So teleprompters are nothing new, they have just progressed with the technology.All leaders use teleprompters. Well most of them anyways. Nobody disagrees that politicians use teleprompters. And nobody disagrees that George Bush used a teleprompter. Again, from my source in this thread. "Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small" Quote
GostHacked Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 Nobody disagrees that politicians use teleprompters. And nobody disagrees that George Bush used a teleprompter. Again, from my source in this thread."Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small" Maybe you should look at it as another tool the President has at his disposal. If the technology will help him in giving great speaches without hiccups, why not use it?? He also did not want to give up his blackberry. You are going to see Obama bring more technology into his presidency. it will be more apparent. He is already using youtube and other avenues not taken by past presidents. Or maybe it is a way to tell us that he is just the mouthpeice for what is really going on behind the scenes. What will blow your mind is that many of his speaches are not even written by him. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 Maybe you should look at it as another tool the President has at his disposal. If the technology will help him in giving great speaches without hiccups, why not use it?? He also did not want to give up his blackberry. You are going to see Obama bring more technology into his presidency. it will be more apparent. He is already using youtube and other avenues not taken by past presidents. Or maybe it is a way to tell us that he is just the mouthpeice for what is really going on behind the scenes. What will blow your mind is that many of his speaches are not even written by him. Its shows how much of a fraud of a leader he is, unable to come upwith anything on the spot and unable to communicate messages with out it beign writen for him. A truely "great" leader. Um ah budget um ah, not really sign of someone who can think on their feet. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
GostHacked Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 Its shows how much of a fraud of a leader he is, unable to come upwith anything on the spot and unable to communicate messages with out it beign writen for him. You have no idea what speech writers are and what their purpose is ?? Every president and prime minister in the past 50 years has a team of speechwriters to help convey a message. Agian it is another tool at their disposal. You can call it propaganda, or public relations. But for the most part there has always been a great number of people behind the scenes that helps the president with the speaches. A truely "great" leader. Um ah budget um ah, not really sign of someone who can think on their feet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/1....oliverburkeman The Bush administration is facing a future without one of its most influential backstage figures today after Michael Gerson, the evangelical Christian who coined the phrase "axis of evil" and wrote most of the president's scripted words, announced his resignation.Mr Gerson was originally brought on board as a speechwriter, to craft memorable phrases for a president prone to verbal gaffes. But his sway with Mr Bush soon exceeded his job title, and he is widely seen as having been one of the key architects of the administration's "freedom agenda", providing a religious underpinning for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/terroris...py-oval-office/ Former Bush chief speechwriter Marc Thiessen kicked up a big fuss yesterday with a Washington Post Op ed slamming Obama’s executive orders by saying that if there’s another terror attack, “Americans will hold Obama responsible.” Even not so great leaders have had speech writers http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...03/1338564.aspx Palin worked until about midnight last night practicing her speech and resumed again this morning at 5 a.m., according to McCain advisors who have been with the Alaska governor day and night.The chief speechwriter on this address is Matthew Scully, who is one of McCain's speechwriters and also wrote President Bush. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McGurn William McGurn was the chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush until February 8, 2008.[1] Formerly an executive with Newscorp, McGurn also served as the chief editorial writer with The Wall Street Journal. From 1992 to 1998 McGurn served as the senior editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review. Prior to this he was the Washington bureau chief of National Review. He now writes "Main Street" at the Wall Street Journal. Or in Canada we simply steal other presidents/prime ministers speeches, screw with writting your own. Too much work. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/politics/home OTTAWA — Stephen Harper's 2003 speech urging Canada to join the U.S. assault on Iraq was plagiarized from one given by the Australian prime minister two days previously, and the man who wrote it resigned Tuesday as a researcher for the Conservative election campaign. Quote
Shady Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Posted March 26, 2009 You have no idea what speech writers are and what their purpose is ?? Every president and prime minister in the past 50 years has a team of speechwriters to help convey a message. Agian it is another tool at their disposal. You can call it propaganda, or public relations. But for the most part there has always been a great number of people behind the scenes that helps the president with the speaches. "Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small" Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 You have no idea what speech writers are and what their purpose is ?? Every president and prime minister in the past 50 years has a team of speechwriters to help convey a message. Agian it is another tool at their disposal. You can call it propaganda, or public relations. But for the most part there has always been a great number of people behind the scenes that helps the president with the speaches.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/1....oliverburkeman http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/terroris...py-oval-office/ Even not so great leaders have had speech writers http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...03/1338564.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McGurn Or in Canada we simply steal other presidents/prime ministers speeches, screw with writting your own. Too much work. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/politics/home And yet he has trouble answering questions. I know what speech writers are, but they don't repeat the words in front of the Camera, you would think Obama would be able to determine which speech was his, but it seems he doesn't even read them before he gives them. Seems like he is puppet/face, not the leader or the one crafting policy, he seems to be along for the ride. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
GostHacked Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 "Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small" Replace the teleprompter with a piece of paper at the podium .. Teleprompter is the same thing as reading a piece of paper at the podium. Or does everyone fail to see that? Bush may not have used one at as many events, but he always had some kind of aide with the speeches. Obama is no different. They all use the aides in different ways. So the president should make his own speeches, or he should the speech writers to present what they wrote for him. So with the extensive use of teleprompters garners Obama the result of being a great orator(sp??). Don't hate the messenger, hate the message. So don't hate the telepromptor, hate the message it is giving you. Alst4ever I know what speech writers are, but they don't repeat the words in front of the Camera, you would think Obama would be able to determine which speech was his, but it seems he doesn't even read them before he gives them. Seems like he is puppet/face, not the leader or the one crafting policy, he seems to be along for the ride. What will really blow your noodle, is that none of the speeches he gives are written by him. And this has always been the case that the president is a puppet mouth peice for those who really are in power pulling the strings behind the scenes. Welcome to the wonderful world of Oz. Don't touch the curtains please. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 What will really blow your noodle, is that none of the speeches he gives are written by him. And this has always been the case that the president is a puppet mouth peice for those who really are in power pulling the strings behind the scenes. Welcome to the wonderful world of Oz. Don't touch the curtains please. What'll really blow your noodle is that most people who are going to give a speech have at least read it first. That includes politicians. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
guyser Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 What'll really blow your noodle is that most people who are going to give a speech have at least read it first. That includes politicians. ...except that isnt really true. Plenty of speeches are re-done, re-worked and re-written right up to the time to talk. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 ...except that isnt really true.Plenty of speeches are re-done, re-worked and re-written right up to the time to talk. Thats bs and you know it the speches are basically in tact and the politician reads through to make last minute changes to make sure the message is what that politician wants to convey. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
punked Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Thats bs and you know it the speches are basically in tact and the politician reads through to make last minute changes to make sure the message is what that politician wants to convey. Kennedy and Sorenson?? Quote
Shady Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 Replace the teleprompter with a piece of paper at the podium .. Teleprompter is the same thing as reading a piece of paper at the podium. Or does everyone fail to see that? Bush may not have used one at as many events, but he always had some kind of aide with the speeches. Obama is no different. They all use the aides in different ways. It just illustrates the fact that Obama can't speak extemporaneously. He's an automaton, lost without his teleprompter. All you get is uh's and um's from the so-called smartest President ever. In fact, he's so dependent on TOTUS, that he'll actually thank himself at certain events, and mispronounce words without even noticing. He's an empty suit. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 It just illustrates the fact that Obama can't speak extemporaneously. He's an automaton, lost without his teleprompter. All you get is uh's and um's from the so-called smartest President ever. In fact, he's so dependent on TOTUS, that he'll actually thank himself at certain events, and mispronounce words without even noticing. He's an empty suit. Oh come on Shady. You have seen how Bush does it as well. Hmm uhh ahh, uhhh.. and so on. All leaders are like this. Obama is no different, it is just now that you are noticing the bullshit behind the sceens because your man did not get in. Tha game is rigged!! All the leaders are all the same in the end. Once you understand this, you will see much much more wrong with the whole system. Also thanks for the 'extemporaneously'. I have a new word to use. Quote
kimmy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 It just illustrates the fact that Obama can't speak extemporaneously. He's an automaton, lost without his teleprompter. All you get is uh's and um's from the so-called smartest President ever. He certainly doesn't come across nearly as eloquent without his teleprompter or prepared material (ie, on-the-fly answers to obvious questions at press conferences have been rehearsed many times beforehand.) I don't think he's lost, however. The few times I've seen him without his teleprompter, he seems to be working out how to make his point clear, which I think is the mark of a thinking man, not an automation. An automation would toss out a few soundbites and catch phrases that don't really address the subject and move on to the next. In fact, he's so dependent on TOTUS, that he'll actually thank himself at certain events, and mispronounce words without even noticing. After reading the article about that event, it is obvious that the "thank you, President Obama" thing was a joke, and clearly one that was well-received at the event. I don't think mispronouncing a word in itself is terribly indicative of intelligence either. Personally, I can't say "antibiotics". For some reason, it always comes out of my mouth as "ant-eye-bee-otics", out of my mouth wrong without my brain's conscious involvement. It's not an inability to process information correctly, it's a matter of reflex. If someone as smart as I am continues to mispronounce a common word, it's clearly not an issue of intelligence. He's an empty suit. I am skeptical of that. It is hard to know how much of what you see on stage is him and how much is the product of his writers and handlers and coaching... but that can obviously be said of every politician you see on a stage. In Obama's case, at least he has his academic background and his books to vouch for his abilities. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
August1991 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Without his teleprompter, Obama has a tendency to say "Look" alot. Funny video. Quote
Shady Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 After reading the article about that event, it is obvious that the "thank you, President Obama" thing was a joke, and clearly one that was well-received at the event. Unfortunately it wasn't a joke. The event started out with the Prime Minster of Ireland reading Obama's speech on the teleprompter. Obama, then stepped up the plate to give, what he thought was his address. However, the teleprompter, being its usual sinister self, then supplied the proper script, of what was suppose to be the PM's speech. Obama then went on to give a speech that wasn't his, in which he eventually thanked himself for the St. Patrick's Day event. I'm now convinced, that if one programmed "boobs, boobs, boobs" on the teleprompter, Obama would spit out the words without batting an eye. Quote
punked Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 What is the big deal I seem to remember the debates where the Republican got schooled and Obama never used the teleprompter in those. Quote
Shady Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Posted March 28, 2009 What is the big deal I seem to remember the debates where the Republican got schooled and Obama never used the teleprompter in those. What you remember, and what reality is, are two different things. Quote
kimmy Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) double post... Edited March 28, 2009 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
kimmy Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately it wasn't a joke. The event started out with the Prime Minster of Ireland reading Obama's speech on the teleprompter. Obama, then stepped up the plate to give, what he thought was his address. However, the teleprompter, being its usual sinister self, then supplied the proper script, of what was suppose to be the PM's speech. Obama then went on to give a speech that wasn't his, in which he eventually thanked himself for the St. Patrick's Day event. As Shakey already posted, the Telegraph found out what really happened: The most authoritative account I can find was from pool reporter William Englund of National Journal. His pool report stated: "Then it was Cowen's turn, and he was in for a surprise. 'We begin by welcoming today a strong friend of the United States,' he said--then stopped in surprise as he realized he was reading President Obama's speech off the teleprompter. 'Why don't these things work for me?' he asked, as the crowd roared. 'Thank you for having us. Who said these things were idiot-proof?' Then he got his bearings and gave the same talk that he delivered in the East Room. When he ended, at 8:12, Obama stepped to the microphone and said, 'First, I'd like to say thank you to President Obama...(much laughter). Happy Saint Patrick's Day, everybody.' Then we were escorted out." Clearly a joke, clearly didn't give a speech at all, but rather taking the opportunity to poke some fun at Cowen's earlier misfortune. I'm now convinced, that if one programmed "boobs, boobs, boobs" on the teleprompter, Obama would spit out the words without batting an eye. That would certainly be an interesting press conference. Ron Burgundy could relate. -k Edited March 28, 2009 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
Shady Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Posted April 3, 2009 *TOTUS update* YouTube I think the word he was looking for is blame. But apparently the leader of the free world, couldn't come up with that on his own, at least very quickly. Quote
punked Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 *TOTUS update*YouTube I think the word he was looking for is blame. But apparently the leader of the free world, couldn't come up with that on his own, at least very quickly. "I will veto every beer" Quote
GostHacked Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 *TOTUS update*YouTube I think the word he was looking for is blame. But apparently the leader of the free world, couldn't come up with that on his own, at least very quickly. It seems like he did not like the choice of words the teleprompter threw at him. But had to go with 'blame'. The US always pleads the 5th. The Pres is just trying to ahear to that. I could be wrong. Quote
xul Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 This is a spin-off topic from my 'Senator Teleprompter' thread from back during the Presidential campaign. Obama's safety net: the TelePrompter President Barack Obama doesn’t go anywhere without his TelePrompter. The textbook-sized panes of glass holding the president’s prepared remarks follow him wherever he speaks. Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small. Thank heaven nowaday politicians only use TelePrompter.....if one day some scientists invent a way to embed microchips into politicians's head, it may be the day that Hollywood film TERMINATOR becomes true. Quote
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