Chrysler already working behind the scenes to pull out of Canada: sour

Alta4ever · March 18, 2009

Their existence shouldn't deter someone from buying a product.

It does when you beleive that the union is an out moded Idea from the early 1900's. We now have employment standards for workers. Unions are nothing but extorsionists.

August1991 · March 18, 2009

My guess is that the company will leave Canada.

Let American taxpayers subsidize the cars we buy.

Smallc · March 18, 2009

Let American taxpayers subsidize the cars we buy.

Yes...its easy to sit and say that when you aren't about to lose your job.

jdobbin · March 18, 2009

After that I have boycotted North American auto makers until the management can show that they can make good decisions, and develope a little bass to deal with the unions I won't buy one from the big three again.

Perhaps one day the Tories will ban unions.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

Yes...its easy to sit and say that when you aren't about to lose your job.

The manufacturing industry is now unfortunately a dead horse. The energy sector pays much better wages and has much better returns. In order to have man. jobs even without unions calls for higher wages, far too high to compete with countries that can produce goods cheaper even when accounting for freight.

The energy sector is what has saved the western economy and is a big reason why MB and SK are still doing well. Oil is closing on 50$ per barell and we are apparently at the bottom of a recession. I think Ontario and Quebec should get with the program, energy is our most valuable export and we have countries crawling over each other to cash in. It would be in our best interest to cash in on the upcoming demand.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

Perhaps one day the Tories will ban unions.

That would call for a national holiday.

Smallc · March 18, 2009

The energy sector is what has saved the western economy and is a big reason why MB and SK are still doing well.

That's why Alberta is weathering this so well, right? It is the diverse economies that exist in Saskatchewan and Manitoba that have helped them to avoid most of this downturn.

Alta4ever · March 18, 2009

Perhaps one day the Tories will ban unions.

perhaps one day everyone will tire of unions extorting money from society.

August1991 · March 18, 2009

Yes...its easy to sit and say that when you aren't about to lose your job.

Why should someone earning 20$/hour subsdize someone earning 70$ an hour? If we in Canada are to subsidize anyone, it should be those earning minimum wage.

For example, we could make minimum wage legislation a reality: governments would top up the difference.

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The State should not exist for a minority (AIG employees, GM employees) to exploit the broader public.

jdobbin · March 18, 2009

perhaps one day everyone will tire of unions extorting money from society.

I think you forget why unions came into being in the first place.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

That's why Alberta is weathering this so well, right? It is the diverse economies that exist in Saskatchewan and Manitoba that have helped them to avoid most of this downturn.

The diverse economies that are tied in one way or another to energy. Especially in SK's case. Oil is closing in on 50$ which is even better. Alberta has seen low oil before and is just taking a page out of the old playbook. When oil takes off again, Alberta and Western Canada will be laughing.

jdobbin · March 18, 2009

That would call for a national holiday.

I thought Tories were against national holidays.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

Why should someone earning 20$/hour subsdize someone earning 70$ an hour? If we in Canada are to subsidize anyone, it should be those earning minimum wage.
For example, we could make minimum wage legislation a reality: governments would top up the difference.

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The State should not exist for a minority (AIG employees, GM employees) to exploit the broader public.

The only thing the state should be investing in is things that will improve the economy. The Big 3 are as big of a drain as minimum wage earners.

Alta4ever · March 18, 2009

I think you forget why unions came into being in the first place.

I remeber to creat a safe working employment for their employees and to get a wage that could be lived off of. Bothof these have now ben met by legislation. One throught minimum wage laws, the through employment standard laws.

Unions continue to exist to extort money, as the prior goals have been met.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

I thought Tories were against national holidays.

THere are some things too good to pass up...

August1991 · March 18, 2009

Perhaps one day the Tories will ban unions.

Unions in Canada are an affair of the public sector.

About 75% of public sector employees are unionized whereas about 25% of private sector employees are unionized.

Moreover, in general, unions are a dying breed. The public sector, as in so much else, is behind the curve. The public sector is not progressive.

Edited March 18, 2009 by August1991

jdobbin · March 18, 2009

Moreover, in general, unions are a dying breed. The public sector, as in so much else, is behind the curve. The public sector is not progressive.

Well then maybe one day Tories will ban unions if they are useless anyway.

jdobbin · March 18, 2009

I remeber to creat a safe working employment for their employees and to get a wage that could be lived off of. Bothof these have now ben met by legislation. One throught minimum wage laws, the through employment standard laws.

But many on the right want to loosen regulations on labour and let industry set the standard for safety and the like. Perhaps we will see a twofold approach. Ban the unions and end labour legislation.

August1991 · March 18, 2009

But many on the right want to loosen regulations on labour and let industry set the standard for safety and the like. Perhaps we will see a twofold approach. Ban the unions and end labour legislation.

Unions will whither away, like the Catholic Church. And individual people (employers/employees/self-employed/etc) will negotiate working standards as sellers and buyers of a house now negotiate a sale.

It may take time but markets in the future will be more complex, and free.

jdobbin · March 18, 2009

Unions will whither away, like the Catholic Church. And individual people (employers/employees/self-employed/etc) will negotiate working standards as sellers and buyers of a house now negotiate a sale.

I think you forget the regulatory regime in Canada over the process.

It may take time but markets in the future will be more complex, and free.

And if the market crashes due to corruption and greed and people suffer terribly we will see the same call for oversight that we do now.

The right wing wants to remove the government from the process but time and time again things happen to make people consider what the worst possible outcomes have wrought.

Smallc · March 18, 2009

individual people (employers/employees/self-employed/etc) will negotiate working standards as sellers and buyers of a house now negotiate a sale.

Not if I have anything to do with it.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

I think you forget the regulatory regime in Canada over the process.
And if the market crashes due to corruption and greed and people suffer terribly we will see the same call for oversight that we do now.

The right wing wants to remove the government from the process but time and time again things happen to make people consider what the worst possible outcomes have wrought.

People also suffer terribly under too much government interference. Gov'ts should facilitate the economy, not hinder it.

I'd say people suffered moreso under too much gov't interference.

blueblood · March 18, 2009

Not if I have anything to do with it.

WTF, if you could negotiate a better contract than a union could with an employer, would you still take collective bargaining, or your own?

Smallc · March 18, 2009

WTF, if you could negotiate a better contract than a union could with an employer, would you still take collective bargaining, or your own?

I responded to the part of his post that had nothing to do with unions. Working standards and safety aren't things that should be bargained on. There are set standards that have to be followed and it should always be that way.

Edited March 18, 2009 by Smallc

benny · March 18, 2009

Don’t be dupe, Chrysler may well be pretending to (work behind the scene to) pull out of Canada so to be able to pull out more money from Canadian taxpayers.