6 month madaTORY for 1 plant

M.Dancer · April 21, 2010

...the major buyers of cocaine? wealthy, educated upper management types, the white trash can't afford it...

Har....no the white trash kids only smoke the crack made from the exact same cocaine, available in $10, $15, $25 and $50 packets..

Educated upper management types don't stay upper management types for long once they are into blow...

Keepitsimple · April 21, 2010

They won't get arrested unless they are into drug-trafficking. The key to this is not the mandatory sentencing but whether they are charged in the first place and secondly, whether they are found guilty of trafficking. Bill Blair, the Toronto Police Chief - when talking about the Long Gun Registry - said that they found over 1500 people in violation of the law - but only charged one person and that was because they had sawed off their shotgun and made it a prohibited weapon. Given that, do you really think the police would charge someone for growing one marijuana plant.....and do you really think a court would find them guilty of trafficking?

Mr.Canada · April 21, 2010

Don't grow pot then. Very simple. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

DrGreenthumb · April 21, 2010

Don't grow pot then. Very simple. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

The problem with your theory is that a majority of Canadians don't see it as a "crime".

Dave_ON · April 21, 2010

So I think the appropriate part of the six month minimum which people are ignoring is this: Offence is committed for the purpose of trafficking.

In other words, if you grow your own weed in small amounts for your own consumption, the six month mandatory minimum does not apply.

Agreed and the greater implication is 6 plants or greater and you ARE considered to be trafficking as 6 plants plus produces more than one could consume on their own.

maple_leafs182 · April 21, 2010

There is a pot supplies store on my street - they have a sign on the door..saying you have to lift and pull and give the bottom a little kick to enter...to damned stupid to fix the door..Makes me wonder if all the reefer madness propoganda out of the 50s might have carried some weight..none of the successful kids I know smoke pot - the loser gamers and procrastinators all smoke dope...

I smoked pot between the age of 17 and 45...I hate the stuff...it is to strong and now has become a religion...of weakness...BUT give me enough gin to buffer the side effects and I have been known to take a puff - but on the over all..it is an insidious chemical that everyone calls "natural" The new hybred is NOT natural - it boarders on a hard drug...bad enough we promoted booze - If I were dictator of the nation - I would get rid of all that crap - including violence, perversion and guns shown in media and so called art--------------It will be funny to see our white trash kids clean the toilets of Asian math students who do not smoke dope..give it time - pot will bring down our proud nation ----what the heck - why not get elected and have a whore wife and snort coke - forget the pot - get to the point and be a cabinet stripper sucking coke fiend.

Thank god your not a dictator.

God dammit guys, this is life and you're all losing life's wonder. There is no right or wrong way to live life. Life is yours and it should be lived how you wish. Nobody, not even the government should be telling you what you can or can't do with your life or body.

We live in a fucked up society that tries to mold everyone into thinking the same.

DrGreenthumb · April 21, 2010

Agreed and the greater implication is 6 plants or greater and you ARE considered to be trafficking as 6 plants plus produces more than one could consume on their own.

That is a ridiculous and unfounded assumption. 6 plants take about 2.5 to 3 months to produce about 6-9 ounces of useable pot. Another month is required to properly dry and cure the flowers. For a regular or medical user that ammount is easily gone through before the next crop is ready. Also crop failures due to insects, excess heat, etc can lower yields considerably and increase the time between harvests. On average a medical user under the MMAD is allowed 25 plants for personal use. That has been determined to be a reasonable ammount for personal use, and is the average size of a personal garden. Most growers with this size of garden are not selling any, they are using it all themselves or maybe sharing a little bit with family/friends. They are certainly not helping organized crime, in fact if anything they are keeping money out of their hands.

bloodyminded · April 21, 2010

Further, the "with intent" provisions can be quite dubious, as an amount can be considered "proof," which it isn't.

In my smokin' days, I always knew people who would procure large amounts--"with intent" amounts--strictly for personal use. So the potential for injustice is quite high.

M.Dancer · April 21, 2010

That is a ridiculous and unfounded assumption. 6 plants take about 2.5 to 3 months to produce about 6-9 ounces of useable pot.

Lets say your yield for the sake of argument is right...it ian't but lets fly with it..

9 ounces is 252 grams . that would last me and the mrs over a year. I would hope that the average user isn't smoking a gram a day....that kind of person is better known as a burn out.

A more accurate yield of bud per plant is between 3-9 ounces and for outdoor, up to a pound. So 6 plants could yield 18 to 54 ounces...and 18 ounces of high quality can fetch $4500...

Plant yields

http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/marijuanaplants_guide.php

http://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/6402-yield-per-plant.html

maple_leafs182 · April 21, 2010

9 ounces is 252 grams . that would last me and the mrs over a year. I would hope that the average user isn't smoking a gram a day....that kind of person is better known as a burn out.

Well I have one friend who can smoke an ounce in 4 days.

I probably smoke 1 or 2 grams a day.

I think calling people a burnout is kinda harsh. I don't judge you on the way you live your life.

M.Dancer · April 21, 2010

Well I have one friend who can smoke an ounce in 4 days.

I probably smoke 1 or 2 grams a day.

I think calling people a burnout is kinda harsh. I don't judge you on the way you live your life.

It may be harsh but it's accurate. How many habitual users are also conspiracy nuts and tinfol hat wearers? A lot..it affects their ability to think.

Edited April 21, 2010 by M.Dancer

maple_leafs182 · April 21, 2010

It may be harsh but it's accurate. How many habitual users are also conspiracy nuts and tinfol hat wearers? A lot..it affects their ability to think.

Pot opens you up to the possibility that everything you think you know may be wrong.

Pot opens your mind up.

M.Dancer · April 21, 2010

Pot opens your mind up.

And then your brains pour out your nose...

Edited April 21, 2010 by M.Dancer

Sir Bandelot · April 21, 2010

And then your brains pour out your nose...

tsk tsk

I'll drink to that...

BubberMiley · April 22, 2010

And then your brains pour out your nose...

Somehow I think an ounce would last you and the mrs the rest of your lives if you think that will happen.

M.Dancer · April 22, 2010

Somehow I think an ounce would last you and the mrs the rest of your lives if you think that will happen.

Maybe. Personally I don't like weed. Don't like the smell, don't like the potency....

weed is for yahoos.....cultured folk enjoy hash

maple_leafs182 · April 22, 2010

Why are their laws that forbid me to live life the way I want to.

Why do we live in a society where the majority can take away even the smallest of liberties away from even the smallest minority. This isn't a free society.

Governments should be protecting all of our liberties. I'm not saying people should be allowed to kill people, but you should be able to do anything freely as long as you are not harming others.

And I hate the argument pot hurts society. We pollute the hell out of this planet, we slaughter thousands a day, we starve others. I don't think a drug like pot which ironically make people want love and peace is gonna do any more harm to society then we already do.

bush_cheney2004 · April 22, 2010

Why are their laws that forbid me to live life the way I want to.

Because plutonium is dangerous to others.

Why do we live in a society where the majority can take away even the smallest of liberties away from even the smallest minority. This isn't a free society.

Then go find a better one.

Governments should be protecting all of our liberties. I'm not saying people should be allowed to kill people, but you should be able to do anything freely as long as you are not harming others.

See "Plutonium"

And I hate the argument pot hurts society. We pollute the hell out of this planet, we slaughter thousands a day, we starve others. I don't think a drug like pot which ironically make people want love and peace is gonna do any more harm to society then we already do.

So we need more harm just to be fair?

maple_leafs182 · April 22, 2010

Because plutonium is dangerous to others.

Then go find a better one.

See "Plutonium"

So we need more harm just to be fair?

I don't mind criticism, as long as it's constructive though.

DrGreenthumb · April 22, 2010

Lets say your yield for the sake of argument is right...it ian't but lets fly with it..

9 ounces is 252 grams . that would last me and the mrs over a year. I would hope that the average user isn't smoking a gram a day....that kind of person is better known as a burn out.

A more accurate yield of bud per plant is between 3-9 ounces and for outdoor, up to a pound. So 6 plants could yield 18 to 54 ounces...and 18 ounces of high quality can fetch $4500...

Plant yields

http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/marijuanaplants_guide.php

http://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/6402-yield-per-plant.html

First of all growers are notorious for exagerating their yield, so Its no surprise that you can find examples online of people claiming large yields. Second most people grow indoors and indoor plants are smaller and typically yield less, on average 1-1.5 ounces per plant. You can grow bigger plants but they take up more room and do not use the expensive artificial light efficiently. They also take longer because you have to wait for them to grow bigger and prune them repeatedly to encourage the plant to produce multiple "tops", before you can start flowering them. Almost all varieties of pot require 60-75 days under 12 hours of light before they are ready to harvest. Add another 30 days at least to dry and cure the flowers properly and you are looking at about 4.5 months per plant to produce 3 ounces of useable bud each. 9 ounces from an indoor plant? Maybe if you dedicated about 3KW of light to just that one plant over a 6 month period. Outdoor plants can be much bigger and yield more but most people don't grow outside because it is too risky, and because outdoor pot is shit compared to indoor.

Who do think people are going to believe on pot yields, someone who loves the plant and chooses DrGreenthumb as his handle, or some goof who claims to like hash, but is clearly ignorant about the effects of the plant it is made from? Hash is nothing more than the collected crystals from the leaves of the cannabis plant. It's really easy to make. Its effects are exactly the same as pot's it is just a more potent and concentrated form of it.

18 ounces ain't fetching 4500 unless the person buying is a totally uninformed, unconnected moron. A pound of weed goes for 2400 dollars add 400 for 2 extra ounces and you still only get 2800. Your math is a bad as cop math. They value each an every plant at 1000 dollars or more even if it is only a 2 inch tall seedling, that's how they come up with their ridiculous estimates of the value of there busts. In reality the average indoor plant produces 200 to 250 dollars worth of pot at current street value. The cops over value their busts by at least 4 times, and that is assuming that the plant had ANY commercial value, as they are worthless until they are mature. Its kind of like saying a carrot sprout is worth the same ammount as a carrot to a consumer, its just not true.

M.Dancer · April 22, 2010

18 ounces ain't fetching 4500 unless the person buying is a totally uninformed, unconnected moron. A pound of weed goes for 2400 dollars add 400 for 2 extra ounces and you still only get 2800.

I've discounted the top part because an amateurs opinion is not worthwhile. I have grown weed, both indoors and outdoors so I know what to expect.

As to the math...yes if you sell the total harvest as bulk you get less....but the average person buys one ounce or less so for top quality the average price in this neck of the woods is $250- $300

18 x $250 = $4500

Edited April 22, 2010 by M.Dancer

BubberMiley · April 22, 2010

weed is for yahoos.....cultured folk enjoy hash

Isn't hash just weed with whatever else the guy who made it decided to throw in? Especially that black Montreal biker hash. In any case, the buzz from real, unadulterated hash is pretty much the same as the weed it was made from.

If you don't like the potency, the trick is to just have a little puff. Since you can't OD, the extra THC can't hurt you anyway, but you don't have to abuse your lungs so much to get a buzz.

M.Dancer · April 22, 2010

Isn't hash just weed with whatever else the guy who made it decided to throw in? Especially that black Montreal biker hash. In any case, the buzz from real, unadulterated hash is pretty much the same as the weed it was made from.

It certianly can be...the trick is not to buy that stuff. Easy to do, you just say, "no thanks". Even worse than "Biker Hash" is what is called hash oil..I have been smoking weed (but I don't anymore) and hash and oils (not in 15 years) since 1972 (1st behind the 7-11 off 10 mile in Oak Park near Detroit). Here's a trick to determine the "purity" of hash oil. THC has a boiling point of near 400 degrees. stick a pin and light a match under it. Chances are it will bubble in less than 2 seconds...then ignite. I have no idea what the medical effects are of smoking solvents....

If you don't like the potency, the trick is to just have a little puff. Since you can't OD, the extra THC can't hurt you anyway, but you don't have to abuse your lungs so much to get a buzz.

Yes I realize the a puff might do the job....but the last few times I smoked, one puff was all I had and that was too much for my taste.

The potency of the product has risen quite a bit in the last 30 years....my brother who is now 64..about 10 years ago or so, I had visited him with my friend, who was growing hydro..my brother hadn't smoked any weed since the late 60s trys it....30 minutes later he's in the bathroom emptying his stomach. He comes out and wants to know what else was in the joint... doesn't believe that it was only weed....so the next day we let him roll one....30 minutees later he's on his knees in the bathroom.

DrGreenthumb · April 22, 2010

It certianly can be...the trick is not to buy that stuff. Easy to do, you just say, "no thanks". Even worse than "Biker Hash" is what is called hash oil..I have been smoking weed (but I don't anymore) and hash and oils (not in 15 years) since 1972 (1st behind the 7-11 off 10 mile in Oak Park near Detroit). Here's a trick to determine the "purity" of hash oil. THC has a boiling point of near 400 degrees. stick a pin and light a match under it. Chances are it will bubble in less than 2 seconds...then ignite. I have no idea what the medical effects are of smoking solvents....

Yes I realize the a puff might do the job....but the last few times I smoked, one puff was all I had and that was too much for my taste.

The potency of the product has risen quite a bit in the last 30 years....my brother who is now 64..about 10 years ago or so, I had visited him with my friend, who was growing hydro..my brother hadn't smoked any weed since the late 60s trys it....30 minutes later he's in the bathroom emptying his stomach. He comes out and wants to know what else was in the joint... doesn't believe that it was only weed....so the next day we let him roll one....30 minutees later he's on his knees in the bathroom.

The potency of hash hasn't really changed at all, ever. It is the collected crystals from the leaves and has always been nearly pure, around 70-80% THC. The only thing that knocks down the potency is the little bit of leaf matter that makes its way into the kief.

250 to 300 an ounce? You are getting ripped off, it was that price in the early 90's, but nowadays hardly anyone pays more than 50 dollars per quarter ounce. Also I think you must be weighing your harvest before its dry. The average yield per plant grown indoors is 1-1.5 ounces and always has been. That can vary but the maximum yield you will get per 1000 W of light is 16-20 ounces. The number of plants is kind of irrelevant. To most efficiently use that light and get the most bud per square foot smaller plants are grown that yield about an ounce each. Bigger plants can be grown but they take longer, and the ratio of bud to leaf drops considerably. Fine if you are planning on making hash, but not the best way to maximize bud.

YOU used to grow pot? I doubt it, but then you are a pretty big hypocrite. When are you going to turn yourself in for the jail time you seem to think other deserve for doing what you did?

eyeball · April 22, 2010

YOU used to grow pot? I doubt it, but then you are a pretty big hypocrite. When are you going to turn yourself in for the jail time you seem to think other deserve for doing what you did?

There's nothing worse than a reformed smoker.