6 month madaTORY for 1 plant

[maple_leafs182]

$250 for an ounce, who pays that.

at most I will pay is $220 but I usually pay $180.

[AngusThermopyle]

This is actually a very interesting and socially pertinent topic that affects millions of people both in Canada and the US, as usual the thread abounds with vast amounts of mythinformation however.

First myth, addiction. Unbiasedd study after unbiased study have shown no evidence of marijuana causing physical addiction in users, none. One can make the case that in some users it can cause a form of mental addiction, however the same case can be made for many different substances, many of them legal. In fact the same case can also be made for habitual behaviour upon which a person comes to rely.

Next pricing and yeilds of plants. Yes, often an ounce can be had for 180 to 200, the well grown high potency stuff will cost considerably more though, as much as 340 an ounce or more. Indoor plants grown under optimum conditions can yeild 3/4 to 1 1/4 pounds or in some cases even more. This depends on many factors though, key amongst them being good genetics. you most certainly pay for those genetics, I've seen seeds going for $2,000 or more for a pack of ten. These seeds bost an incredibly high THC content. Accepted average THC is now around the 20 percent mark, these expensive ones boast levels exceeding 30 percent.

Medicinal uses. Researchers are discovering new medicinal applications for the herb on what seems like a daily basis. Yes, there are some very exciting developments regarding cancer reaserch, also MS, arthritis and a host of other ailments. One very practical application pertains to pain relief. Other methods of pain releif have proven to be quite harmfull and very physically addictive, marijuana has been shown to offer effective pain relief without the negative effects associated with other methods.

Further studies have shown far less severe and lasting effects than other accepted substances, yet such substances are accepted and proffited upon, an ass backwards attitude to any but the willfully blind and ignorant. The trend amongst many growers is to produce very organic and pure product as this affects potency, flavour and aroma, no Oleg, it is not Satans weed or artificial. In fact a lot of it is more natural and pure than a great deal of the produce availlable at your local grocery store.

Now, the gateway drug arguement, using the reasoning of the gateway proponents one could argue that Tim Hortons coffee or MacDonalds are gateway substances as 90 percent of heroin users polled admit to consuming them before they ever touched Heroin. Truly a fallacious and simplistic theory if there ever was one. Personally I have never seen one person destroy their life by smoking Marijuana. On the other hand I have seen many people ruin their lives by drinking, seen many lose their lives through smoking, but thats just a personal observation, attach to it the weight that you wish.

In summation I believe that it should at the very least be decriminalized. I also believe that those who call for jailing, or in one case hanging weed smokers should grow up and actually educate themselves as regards the subject. Of course some controls would be necessary, something similar to those we already employ regarding alcohol and tobacco. If those controls are good enough for those very proven dangerous substances then they should suffice for something as inocuous as Marijuana.

From my perspective Harpers actions regarding this issue appear to be based upon ignorance and an irrational fear designed to appeal to those who are easily duped. As a side note I also think the DEA should get their asses out of our country and back where they belong in the states. In my oppinion we should remove the two existing offices from Vancouver and Ottawa and send them back south where they belong.

[DrGreenthumb]

Thanks for the well thought out and reasoned response Angus. The only problem I have with it is that good stuff is going for up to 340 an oz. Maybe it was at one time, but even the best quality stuff is now readily available for 150-200 bucks an ounce.

This is actually a very interesting and socially pertinent topic that affects millions of people both in Canada and the US, as usual the thread abounds with vast amounts of mythinformation however.

First myth, addiction. Unbiasedd study after unbiased study have shown no evidence of marijuana causing physical addiction in users, none. One can make the case that in some users it can cause a form of mental addiction, however the same case can be made for many different substances, many of them legal. In fact the same case can also be made for habitual behaviour upon which a person comes to rely.

Next pricing and yeilds of plants. Yes, often an ounce can be had for 180 to 200, the well grown high potency stuff will cost considerably more though, as much as 340 an ounce or more. Indoor plants grown under optimum conditions can yeild 3/4 to 1 1/4 pounds or in some cases even more. This depends on many factors though, key amongst them being good genetics. you most certainly pay for those genetics, I've seen seeds going for $2,000 or more for a pack of ten. These seeds bost an incredibly high THC content. Accepted average THC is now around the 20 percent mark, these expensive ones boast levels exceeding 30 percent.

Medicinal uses. Researchers are discovering new medicinal applications for the herb on what seems like a daily basis. Yes, there are some very exciting developments regarding cancer reaserch, also MS, arthritis and a host of other ailments. One very practical application pertains to pain relief. Other methods of pain releif have proven to be quite harmfull and very physically addictive, marijuana has been shown to offer effective pain relief without the negative effects associated with other methods.

Further studies have shown far less severe and lasting effects than other accepted substances, yet such substances are accepted and proffited upon, an ass backwards attitude to any but the willfully blind and ignorant. The trend amongst many growers is to produce very organic and pure product as this affects potency, flavour and aroma, no Oleg, it is not Satans weed or artificial. In fact a lot of it is more natural and pure than a great deal of the produce availlable at your local grocery store.

Now, the gateway drug arguement, using the reasoning of the gateway proponents one could argue that Tim Hortons coffee or MacDonalds are gateway substances as 90 percent of heroin users polled admit to consuming them before they ever touched Heroin. Truly a fallacious and simplistic theory if there ever was one. Personally I have never seen one person destroy their life by smoking Marijuana. On the other hand I have seen many people ruin their lives by drinking, seen many lose their lives through smoking, but thats just a personal observation, attach to it the weight that you wish.

In summation I believe that it should at the very least be decriminalized. I also believe that those who call for jailing, or in one case hanging weed smokers should grow up and actually educate themselves as regards the subject. Of course some controls would be necessary, something similar to those we already employ regarding alcohol and tobacco. If those controls are good enough for those very proven dangerous substances then they should suffice for something as inocuous as Marijuana.

From my perspective Harpers actions regarding this issue appear to be based upon ignorance and an irrational fear designed to appeal to those who are easily duped. As a side note I also think the DEA should get their asses out of our country and back where they belong in the states. In my oppinion we should remove the two existing offices from Vancouver and Ottawa and send them back south where they belong.

[AngusThermopyle]

Actually Dr, G that price is based on the High Times pricing index released on a monthly basis. Keep in mind however that they are talking about strains such as Super Silver Haze, Chocolope, The Purps, Strawberry Couch etc. Not exactly your average weed, in fact all Cannabis Cup winners which arguably makes them amongst the finest in the world. Most certainly no where near the average stuff that is readily availlable in most places.

[M.Dancer]

I asked a friend of mine, who is a regular buyer, what he pays these days.

He says for B grade he pays around $225-240 an ounce, for A grade nearer $275-300 and he told me he was offered an ounce of something this weekend(I don't remember the name) for $600.

He sampled the $600, a pinhead size in a pipe, and had to wait awhile before he could cycle home...

[DrGreenthumb]

Actually Dr, G that price is based on the High Times pricing index released on a monthly basis. Keep in mind however that they are talking about strains such as Super Silver Haze, Chocolope, The Purps, Strawberry Couch etc. Not exactly your average weed, in fact all Cannabis Cup winners which arguably makes them amongst the finest in the world. Most certainly no where near the average stuff that is readily availlable in most places.

High Times is an American mag, and prices are higher in the states.

As for Dancer, I have no reason to believe anything you say regarding cannabis. 600 an ounce? sucker price

Even hash which is generally about 80% THC does not pack the punch you describe. I bought an ounce of super silver haze yesterday for 150 bucks. Good shit.

[M.Dancer]

As for Dancer, I have no reason to believe anything you say regarding cannabis. 600 an ounce? sucker price

Really? How old are you? Chances are I was smoking before you were toilet trained.

Anyway, asking kids about quality is like asking fish about air..

[M.Dancer]

I bought an ounce of super silver haze yesterday for 150 bucks. Good shit.

I can tell right away you are a sucker....when I sold weed, hash and LSD, no matter what or where it came from, we gave it a good name for suckers....all hash oil was honey oil, regardless of the colour...all weed was tie stick is it was bud, panama red, gold or ( ) green if it wasn't...and acid was always named after a US city......

You want to buy some Philidelphia Freedom Blotter? I have some LA Micro caps too...

Brand Names are for suckers...

[bloodyminded]

I can tell right away you are a sucker....when I sold weed, hash and LSD, no matter what or where it came from, we gave it a good name for suckers....all hash oil was honey oil, regardless of the colour...all weed was tie stick is it was bud, panama red, gold or ( ) green if it wasn't...and acid was always named after a US city......

You want to buy some Philidelphia Freedom Blotter? I have some LA Micro caps too...

Brand Names are for suckers...

I duuno. I remember Sunshine acid, Black Sabbath acid, and so on.

Though this maybe underscores your point.....

[DrGreenthumb]

Really? How old are you? Chances are I was smoking before you were toilet trained.

Anyway, asking kids about quality is like asking fish about air..

I'm old enough, and who cares when you were smoking? We are talking about TODAY's prices. I've grown most of these strains myself, so I don't need your advice about identifying them. I NEVER sold them. They were for my own enjoyment, and to share with my friends. Since you have admitted to selling drugs maybe you should turn yourself in right away to face the same punishment you think others should be subjected to. Hypocrite.

[sharkman]

Angus, what about the brain damage for long time pot smokers? Just more nonsense i suppose? And how about lung damage? I know, I know, the costs on the medical system are none of my business.

As for the gateway argument, how many users here started with heroin or Cocaine? How many experimented with pot first? Mind you, I don't think the young simpletons of today have any reservations about trying anything, hedonism being what it is. Which in itself is a product of 2 or 3 generations of hedonism.

[sharkman]

I'm old enough, and who cares when you were smoking? We are talking about TODAY's prices. I've grown most of these strains myself, so I don't need your advice about identifying them. I NEVER sold them. They were for my own enjoyment, and to share with my friends. Since you have admitted to selling drugs maybe you should turn yourself in right away to face the same punishment you think others should be subjected to. Hypocrite.

Good grief, now we have a druggie pissing contest.

[M.Dancer]

Since you have admitted to selling drugs maybe you should turn yourself in right away to face the same punishment you think others should be subjected to. Hypocrite.

I think that the police would be very interested in my commercial activities of 1975-82.

Well, maybe in your sucker clown world they might...

[DrGreenthumb]

I think that the police would be very interested in my commercial activities of 1975-82.

Well, maybe in your sucker clown world they might...

That's not the point. The point is you support others recieving harsh punishment for something that you admit to doing yourself. Do you think you deserve to go to jail?

[DrGreenthumb]

Angus, what about the brain damage for long time pot smokers? Just more nonsense i suppose? And how about lung damage? I know, I know, the costs on the medical system are none of my business.

As for the gateway argument, how many users here started with heroin or Cocaine? How many experimented with pot first? Mind you, I don't think the young simpletons of today have any reservations about trying anything, hedonism being what it is. Which in itself is a product of 2 or 3 generations of hedonism.

What a nice collection of red herring you have compiled. Studies show that there is NO brain damage from smoking pot. Too bad the same thing cannot be said for alcohol. There has never been a single case of lung cancer in a cannabis-only smoker. In fact several studies have shown that the active ingredient in cannabis destroys cancer cells while leaving healthy cells intact. Gateway? Absolute bullshit. Of course people who take risks are more likely to take other risks, that is their personality and has ZERO to do with pot. I'll bet almost every person who has tried pot first tried sugar, coffee, and probably beer. I guess we better criminalize those substances too eh? By your logic mother's milk is a gateway to Heroin. The closed minded old simpletons of yesterday and today are content to form their opinions faced on outdated fearmongering and prejudice, and never let a silly thing like scientific evidence get in the way of making false assertions.

Sports injuries and obesity cost the health sytem FAR more than cannabis use ever could so I guess we better outlaw hockey sticks, and potato chips ASAP.

[M.Dancer]

That's not the point. The point is you support others recieving harsh punishment for something that you admit to doing yourself. Do you think you deserve to go to jail?

I think a better point is drugs have clogged your brain like molasses in a watch...you have no idea what I support in this regard despite my posts about it..you are the classic burn out poster boy...

[DrGreenthumb]

I think a better point is drugs have clogged your brain like molasses in a watch...you have no idea what I support in this regard despite my posts about it..you are the classic burn out poster boy...

Whatever Dancer, go smoke some more of that wonderful hash you are always bragging about and then complain some more about pot smokers.

[M.Dancer]

Studies show that there is NO brain damage from smoking pot.

Long-term cannabis use causes brain injury, new study

New ground-breaking research shows long-term, heavy cannabis use causes significant brain abnormalities resulting in psychotic symptoms and memory loss equivalent to that of patients with a mild traumatic brain injury.

The study, conducted by researchers at the University of Wollongong, is the first to show that long-term cannabis use can adversely affect all users, not just those in the high-risk categories such as the young, or those susceptible to mental illness, as previously thought.

The research was published today in the prestigious American journal Archives of General Psychiatry.

http://media.uow.edu.au/releases/UOW044813.html

While we are on the subject of long term use and brain damage....you have a typo in the title...It should be MandaTORY

[sharkman]

What a nice collection of red herring you have compiled. Studies show that there is NO brain damage from smoking pot. Too bad the same thing cannot be said for alcohol. There has never been a single case of lung cancer in a cannabis-only smoker. In fact several studies have shown that the active ingredient in cannabis destroys cancer cells while leaving healthy cells intact. Gateway? Absolute bullshit. Of course people who take risks are more likely to take other risks, that is their personality and has ZERO to do with pot. I'll bet almost every person who has tried pot first tried sugar, coffee, and probably beer. I guess we better criminalize those substances too eh? By your logic mother's milk is a gateway to Heroin. The closed minded old simpletons of yesterday and today are content to form their opinions faced on outdated fearmongering and prejudice, and never let a silly thing like scientific evidence get in the way of making false assertions.

Sports injuries and obesity cost the health sytem FAR more than cannabis use ever could so I guess we better outlaw hockey sticks, and potato chips ASAP.

Wow, sports and mother's milk, eh? A little touchy this morning, didn't get your buzz on or something? Wow, that cannabis is a miracle drug, hunting down the cancer cells and leaving the good cells alone. No doubt it scrubs the arteries and takes out the trash too!

The prob with pot is you become dependent on it to improve your reality. Just like booze or other drugs. I hope you don't think yourself better than a heavy drinker, you're getting the same result by different means is all.

I hope the mandatory 6 months works out, we need Canadians to stop using crutches to deal with life.

[DrGreenthumb]

http://media.uow.edu.au/releases/UOW044813.html

While we are on the subject of long term use and brain damage....you have a typo in the title...It should be MandaTORY

University of Wolongong? That's all you've got? hahahahahaa

[normanchateau]

I hope the mandatory 6 months works out, we need Canadians to stop using crutches to deal with life.

Religion is one of the crutches people use to deal with life. Religious differences kill far more people than marijuana does. The number of victims of child molesting and statutory rape by Roman Catholic priests is in the hundreds of thousands.

Perhaps Harper should propose a mandatory 6 months for selling, promoting or advocating religion, especially those misguided Canadians pushing religion on children whose brains have yet to develop fully. Of course he won't do this being a born-again, praying-on-his-knees bible literalist who converted to the Christian and Missionary Alliance Church, an Evangelical denomination which preaches about the evils of marijuana.

[M.Dancer]

University of Wolongong? That's all you've got? hahahahahaa

I know I know....saying wolongong is funny when you're baked..

[M.Dancer]

Saying this one should will make you laugh so much snot will drip freely...

The Canadian Psychiatric Research Foundation

Go ahead, say it slowly...

Now here's one that will fracture reality ..

Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre.

Regular marijuana use takes a worse toll on the teenage brain than thought, say researchers in Montreal who studied the effects of cannabis in rats.

The findings suggest daily marijuana use by teens can cause depression and anxiety, and have an irreversible effect on the brain.

The study, which was published in the journal Neurobiology of Disease, looked at 18 adolescent and adult rats that were exposed to cannabis.

Those given the drug had decreased levels of serotonin, which affects mood.

The animals also showed higher levels of norepinephrine that can increase susceptibility to long-term stress, said Dr. Gabriella Gobbi, a psychiatric researcher from the Research Institute of the McGill University Health Centre.

"These permanent changes in the brain are also linked to certain mental illnesses, like schizophrenia," Gobbi said Thursday.

"And we showed that even if we stopped the cannabis use at the end of adolescence, the changes were still detectable in adulthood."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/12/17/marijuana-teen-brain-rats.html#ixzz0mQ8eolm4

[Wild Bill]

Wow, sports and mother's milk, eh? A little touchy this morning, didn't get your buzz on or something? Wow, that cannabis is a miracle drug, hunting down the cancer cells and leaving the good cells alone. No doubt it scrubs the arteries and takes out the trash too!

The prob with pot is you become dependent on it to improve your reality. Just like booze or other drugs. I hope you don't think yourself better than a heavy drinker, you're getting the same result by different means is all.

I hope the mandatory 6 months works out, we need Canadians to stop using crutches to deal with life.

Not a wonder drug but there's no denying it does have useful applications that the law prevents many people from using.

As for becoming dependent on any drug, what gives society the right to tell someone a drug should be illegal? The fact that booze is legal and pot is not is a clear example of how society is simply not qualified to make that decision. Besides, who's life is it anyway?

When society can tell me I can't smoke pot (even though I haven't in years) then why can't I get to tell everyone else they can't drink daiquiris?

Frankly, when YOU define something as a crutch and YOU support denying ALL your fellow citizens a free choice I find that uncomfortably fascist! It's like having Ned Flanders from the Simpsons suddenly appointed Community Commissar with total dictatorial powers!

[AngusThermopyle]

Those are interesting examples you posted Dancer. However they appear to fly directly in the face of the majority of studies I've read. Given that I find CBC to be highly partisan and not to be trusted for unbiased reporting I prefer to actually refer to credible studies for information. A good place to start learning about medical developments and research relating to marijuana is MAPS, I'll provide a link for you. This is an extensive site so it can take a while to go through everything but its well worth the effort if you wish to obtain unbiased information.

MAPS

If you wish I can provide more links from reputable sources such as Berkley, I'll have to do it later though as right now I have to run.