How will Obama handle war between Israel and Iran?

Oleg Bach · February 28, 2009

Obama will not handle any war - as if he is a military man - his oratory and parroting of great stolen statements will not serve well in war - other than stir the masses to action - and that will be short lived - people are more informed these days - They will have to draft to make an Iranian invasion (not war) feasable....Biden and his military industrial complex boys might make an attempt at war again - being the habiutualist profiteers they are - they are to dull to figure out another way of making a living. After Bush and Iraq - no one will inlist - and those that do will be the bottom of the barrel and bound to fail. Iran has a damned bomb - why would they not - so does Israel and so does America - so what't the damned problem? Oh yah - those terrorists fundamentalist mentalists...the boogie man that profited the last bunch of administrators....For get war - anyone can destroy - it takes a real man and intelligent person to create - peace...any takers? Who wants the job - the position is empty.

GostHacked · March 2, 2009

Their decades of terrorism and on going threats speak for themselves but just keep on sticking your head in the sand and believe in your fairytale world...iran is every bit a threat as Nazi Germany was even worse at least the Germans didn't have nuclear technology.

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Even worse than the Nazi Germans. Priceless. I bet the Iranians are corralling the heard of Jews into concentration camps as we speak then correct? Worse indeed. And in WWII the only ones who had any nuclear technology was the US and they were the only ones to use it. I am sure we can make some comparison there about the US and Nazi Germany

Your comparison fails.

DogOnPorch · March 3, 2009

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Even worse than the Nazi Germans. Priceless. I bet the Iranians are corralling the heard of Jews into concentration camps as we speak then correct? Worse indeed. And in WWII the only ones who had any nuclear technology was the US and they were the only ones to use it. I am sure we can make some comparison there about the US and Nazi Germany

Your comparison fails.

Nazi Germany was working on the A-Bomb, as well, however a Norwegian/British commando attack at Vemork set the program back to the point of no return as far as WW2 went. The Allies were unaware HOW far it set the Nazis back, though, and assumed the worst for most of the war (thus the Manhattan Project's priority).

Had Nazi Germany had the A-Bomb, I have no doubt they would have put the nuclear torch to Moscow and Leningrad at the very least.

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KeyStone · March 3, 2009

Wars are not known for US convenience, except for maybe Serbia and Iraq. As to your question, Obama will support Israel for the most part, as will France and the UK. Iran is the bad guy, whether it likes it or not.
What will PM Harper do? After all, Canada sells itself as a honest broker and makem' smoke peace pipe, right?

Ottawa better get on it right away!

Canada stopped trying to sell itself as an honest broker as soon as Paul Martin stepped into office. We are now squarely in the Israeli camp.

Neither Harper or Ignatieff have any interest in being honest brokers, their interest is in competing to see who can be the biggest cheerleaders for the Israelis.

Sulaco · March 3, 2009

all i see are high fives and piggy backs.
what exactly do you two disagree about when it comes to israel and the occupation?

Your ignorance arises out of your apparent single-minded focus on the "jewish question".

Rue · March 3, 2009

Wars are not known for US convenience, except for maybe Serbia and Iraq. As to your question, Obama will support Israel for the most part, as will France and the UK. Iran is the bad guy, whether it likes it or not.
What will PM Harper do? After all, Canada sells itself as a honest broker and makem' smoke peace pipe, right?

Ottawa better get on it right away!

Don't be rude. You forget one phone call and Celine Dion does a Us cross country tour. We have weapons of mass destruction.

Anyone who wants to point the finger at the US and say it only does what it does for oil should shut the f..ck up unless they intend to walk and stop using their cars. Plenty of countries benefit from what the US does and then hide behind their righteousness at the same time. They can all shut the f..ck up.

Back to the original topic. I note some posters just can't resist banging the drum for a war between Israel and Iran and keep suggesting Israel will attack Iran blah blah blah.

Amazing how many arm chair geniuses there are who know what Israel is going to do. The same geniuses who also know Iran is no threat to Israel or anyone else in the Middle East.

This pretention that Israel is the only nation in the Middle East that fears Iran getting nuclear weapons is idiotic. Does anyone think Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, the UAE, all the other Gulf Oil States are not also concerned?

More to the point China is completely energy dependent on Iran. You think they want all their energy supplies going up in smoke?

There is a lot of behind the scenes below the surface crap that goes on making what would appear to be enemies in fact allies when it comes to Iran.

In fact right now China directly benefits from its treaty with Iran that gives it access to its oil and natural gas at below market prices. Then we have the two faced Putin who sells as much crap as he can to Iran as well as North Korea.

Here is the point. Any fool can make a dirty bomb today. You just have to go onto the internet.

More to the point Iran has the technology to send missiles with germs to its enemies.

Why everyone assumes its a nuclear weapon Israel or anyone else is concerned about is beyond me. It could be they are more concerned about germ warfare or dirty bombs-for all any of you know that concerns them far more.

The point is none of you know. You can speculate all you want but no one really knows what is of concern and why.

What I would say to those of you who sit far from the nuclear zone or germ zone and are arm chair experts, watch your big mouths. It is easy to be smug about terrorism when it is overseas. What makes you so sure it isn't already in your back yard?

Would those of you so quick to assure the world Iran is benevolent maintain the same calm and decorum fi some idiot commits a terrorist act in your back yard?

Amazing what geographic distance does to distort some experts views on what a threat is.

GostHacked · March 3, 2009

Back to the original topic. I note some posters just can't resist banging the drum for a war between Israel and Iran and keep suggesting Israel will attack Iran blah blah blah.

We can look at Israel's own track record when it comes to attacking other county's nuclear programs.

Iraq - Osirak reactor. 1981

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/mcnair41/41osi.htm

Syria - Suspected uranium enrichment. 2007

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124203

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2461421.ece

Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.

This is just two incidents I can think of off the top of my head.

Amazing how many arm chair geniuses there are who know what Israel is going to do. The same geniuses who also know Iran is no threat to Israel or anyone else in the Middle East.

Israels actions are louder than words.

This pretention that Israel is the only nation in the Middle East that fears Iran getting nuclear weapons is idiotic. Does anyone think Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, the UAE, all the other Gulf Oil States are not also concerned?

I guess their voices are drowned out by the louder ones. I don't hear shit from those you mentioned.

Why everyone assumes its a nuclear weapon Israel or anyone else is concerned about is beyond me. It could be they are more concerned about germ warfare or dirty bombs-for all any of you know that concerns them far more.

Because that is all you hear the talking heads say. It is all nuclear.... bio weapons are rarely mentioned. If Iran has a full fledged bio weapons program, why don't we hear about it?? If that is more of a threat than the nuclear option ... why don't we hear about it?

What I would say to those of you who sit far from the nuclear zone or germ zone and are arm chair experts, watch your big mouths. It is easy to be smug about terrorism when it is overseas. What makes you so sure it isn't already in your back yard?

Would those of you so quick to assure the world Iran is benevolent maintain the same calm and decorum fi some idiot commits a terrorist act in your back yard?

I am not worried about Iran committing terror attacks in my backyard.

Amazing what geographic distance does to distort some experts views on what a threat is.

I agree. Looks like I am in that category as well.

bush_cheney2004 · March 3, 2009

....There is a lot of behind the scenes below the surface crap that goes on making what would appear to be enemies in fact allies when it comes to Iran.

Right...and if President Obama can cut a deal with Russia using Missile Defense as a bargaining chip, then all the players will be onboard to confront Iran in a unified, "WTF, over". Iran is strangling on it's own vomit anyway, and one would hope that moderates would win the day over the whackjobs.

Some people don't realize that practical Arab outrage over the invasion of Iraq has more to do with removing the bullwork between them and the crazy Persians compared to anything to do with Iraqi sovereignty.

dub · March 3, 2009

Right...and if President Obama can cut a deal with Russia using Missile Defense as a bargaining chip, then all the players will be onboard to confront Iran in a unified, "WTF, over".

the russian plant in iran recently opened. it doesn't look like the negotiation is going well.

Some people don't realize that practical Arab outrage over the invasion of Iraq has more to do with removing the bullwork between them and the crazy Persians compared to anything to do with Iraqi sovereignty.

this is one of the reasons why bush jr. is one of the worst presidents the US ever had. he really ruined it after handing iraq to the shias. the US will not be able to sustain its control there.

bush_cheney2004 · March 4, 2009

the russian plant in iran recently opened. it doesn't look like the negotiation is going well.

Oh well....guess we'll have to do it the hard way.

this is one of the reasons why bush jr. is one of the worst presidents the US ever had. he really ruined it after handing iraq to the shias. the US will not be able to sustain its control there.

Actually....it was three US presidents. Six years and counting on March 20th....Happy Anniversary Saddam! :lol:

Oleg Bach · March 4, 2009

Oh well....guess we'll have to do it the hard way.
Actually....it was three US presidents. Six years and counting on March 20th....Happy Anniversary Saddam!

Off with his head said King George and off it ripped..wonder what Saddam is doing right about now? Odd how he exposed the Rebublican Guard to American air power - he really must have thought his old buddies in Washington were going to allow him his Kuit adventure - that really never made sense that Saddam would be so foolish militarily - but I guess his old CIA contacts decieded that he was now fully unmanageable...as for Saddams execution - It could not take place until he was handed over to his executioners - and that took a final call from the White House - then it was done - so in eccense Washington had the power to execute or not execute..funny ---- the world believes that a "democratically elected Iraqi government actually gave that guy are real western style fair trial and it was they the people who offed Saddam. What a funny funny joke - this democracy thing..as for Iran and Israel - nothing will start untill all military contracts for war supplies are signed and agreed on and then it will be buisness as usual.

kactus · March 6, 2009

There's not going to be a war................

Isreal is not that stupid to take on Iran... and neither is Iran...

wulf42 · March 7, 2009

There's not going to be a war................
Isreal is not that stupid to take on Iran... and neither is Iran...

Nonsense! Israel is going to act against Iran they will never be allowed to get a nuke, Israel will attack and it looks like sooner than later! Nukes in the hands of raving lunatic religious fanatics willing to die for Allah is never a good mix....and Israel will wipe them out if they don't change the path they are on! Iran is fooling nobody they are the #1 exporter of terrorism around the world and they face a very painful reality check against a very well armed Israel!

like i said sooner than later!

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story...EWEN20090085882

kmtina · March 22, 2009

I agree. Israel is going to act. They've given Lieberman the job on the American-Iranian Nuke Committee (see http://samsonblinded.org/news/israel-decid...cking-iran-9443 ) and he wouldn't be taking an assignment that's going to make him look bad. Plus Obama's effort to talk to Iran didn't go over well to say the least. The bottom line is no country wants to see Iran with nukes. Not even their allies.

kactus · March 24, 2009

Bottom line is for the past 9 years people including belligerent israeli policy makers have been on the case to portray Iran as a danger to the world peace as an excuse for an attack. How is Iran or even a nuclear armed Iran (using that scenario) is a danger to Canada, UK or even the US for that matter is mind bogglin. What needs to happen here is a focus on the poor human right records of Iran as a priority not demonising the whole nation. But then again knowing the americans they very often mis-calculated in the past the opportunities in the way that they could more actively and peacefully engage in the middle east. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case through GWB government and I wonder what changes Obama can really bring on the table!

Afterall he is the president but whether he HAS THE POWER to change/ influence the foreign policy in the middle east or whether there are others involved behind thew scenes that call the shot remains to be seen.

In short in regards to Iran nothing will happen! People have been telling me that an attack on Iran is imminent after the Iraq invasion. Nothing has happened and nothing will happen! Watch this space! I will even buy those a beer.

M.Dancer · March 24, 2009

How is Iran or even a nuclear armed Iran (using that scenario) is a danger to Canada, UK or even the US for that matter is mind bogglin.

Hardly mind boggling at all. Consider a belligerent Iran blockading the Persian gulf. That alone would be a crucial danger to first, Europe and secondly Canada and the US.

The consider an Iranian hegomany bulllying Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq ....

In short in regards to Iran nothing will happen! People have been telling me that an attack on Iran is imminent after the Iraq invasion. Nothing has happened and nothing will happen! Watch this space! I will even buy those a beer.

Eventually one of two things will happen.

kactus · March 24, 2009

Hardly mind boggling at all. Consider a belligerent Iran blockading the Persian gulf. That alone would be a crucial danger to first, Europe and secondly Canada and the US.

That's just a scenario. But let me tell you this if Iran is pushed by constant threats of an attack by Israel or the west your scenario would be quite likely as a counter attack. Which is why I think this whole idea of attacking a sovereign country is futile. Besides the point of reference concerned Israel's daily rhetoric that Iran's nuclear arms is a danger tro the rest of the world.

The consider an Iranian hegomany bulllying Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq ....

For centuries the indigenous population of these countries have lived alongside eachother! Not maybe the way you and me wanted to but they have survived many adversaries. Frankly I don't buy into this Iran controling the ME and just see it as an excuse the west is cooking up to have more control over the oil. But for sure a stronger Iran militarily will shift the balance of power in favour of Iran. A monopoly Israel has enjoyed for many decades.

Eventually one of two things will happen.

My beer offer has been open for a long time. I guess I'll have to get used to the idea that it's pretty much safe in Iran as long as the oil contracts are signed.

Edited March 24, 2009 by kactus

M.Dancer · March 24, 2009

For thousands of years these countries have managed to live alongside eachother!

You plainly don't know the region's history unless by living alongside you mean periodically inavding and conquering each other over the last thousands of years...

kactus · March 24, 2009

You plainly don't know the region's history unless by living alongside you mean periodically inavding and conquering each other over the last thousands of years...

Sorry M I had to edit my post as I realised the history of Iraq and indeed many other countries in the ME does not stretch that long. But as for the rest I agree that there has been many invasions and conquering in the ME. But then again the history shows that this is not unique to ME! It happened everywhere.

M.Dancer · March 24, 2009

Sorry M I had to edit my post as I realised the history of Iraq and indeed many other countries in the ME does not stretch that long. But as for the rest I agree that there has been many invasions and conquering in the ME. But then again the history shows that this is not unique to ME! It happened everywhere.

So then your refutation of:

The consider an Iranian hegomany bulllying Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq ....

Doesn't stand given Iranian hegomany is what their goal is.

kactus · March 24, 2009

So then your refutation of:
Doesn't stand given Iranian hegomany is what their goal is.

Iran historically is and remains a powerful country in the ME, which confirms what I said before. But I am not buying in to this convenient argument that Iran is a bully to her neighbours.

DogOnPorch · March 24, 2009

Iran historically is and remains a powerful country in the ME, which confirms what I said before. But I am not buying in to this convenient argument that Iran is a bully to her neighbours.

Shi'as with the atomic bomb not being a threat to Sunnis without?

M.Dancer · March 24, 2009

Iran historically is and remains a powerful country in the ME, which confirms what I said before. But I am not buying in to this convenient argument that Iran is a bully to her neighbours.

Really? What about Hezbollah? Long range missiles and the unneeded goal to build the strongest military in the region? What pray tell would be their goals by spending so much which benefits so few?

kactus · March 24, 2009

Shi'as with the atomic bomb not being a threat to Sunnis without?

That's a very simplistic view.

DogOnPorch · March 24, 2009

That's a very simplistic view.

Is it? It is my understanding there are fundimental differences between the two, which, as we saw in Iraq, resulted in rather horrible sectarian violence.

If Iran gets the atomic bomb, I think several other states will feel it also necessary. What's that word again?

....ah...proliferation. Dat's de verd.