bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 You can't make this stuff up.....I bet VP Cheney is ROTFLHAO: U.S. President Barack Obama sided with the previous Bush administration Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights. In a two-sentence court filing, the U.S. Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing sparked dismay among human rights lawyers. "The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Airfield. "We all expected better." http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/20/obama-bush.html "Yes We Can!" strikes again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 "Yes We Can!" strikes again.I'm reminded of Obama's executive order to close Guantanamo except prisoners will stay there until Obama decides what to do with them. IOW, Guantanamo exists but is now a "temporary facility".Maybe we Canadians will take a few. We have work for them. Some dolphins in Newfoundland need someone to break the ice. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 All were waiting for the return of the great messiah - the boy king with the pharo's face and the cute little stick out ears. Obama - the heir of black justice yet to be - the freedom fighter who will make it all right.......................................... ha! and a double Ha Ha .....He's a white guy who is going to do the bidding of the fearful establishement full of guilt and apprehension that all of the east has turned against them after years of raping and pillaging and hoarding of stolen lucre.....Prisoners Rights? Do you not know before you enter into high henchmanship there is one question you are asked before you enter into the darkened gates of power ----"Are you willing to harm others to glorify yourself and server our evil needs?" He must have said yes - if he did not - he would not have gotten the job...so what else is new in this pitiful ammoral cruel world? Quote
Shady Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 And Guantanamo meets Geneva Convention standards Reporting from Washington -- The Pentagon has concluded that the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay meets the standards for humane treatment of detainees established in the Geneva Convention accords. The report, which has not officially been released, "has been completed and will be delivered to the White House in accordance with the president's executive order," said a Pentagon spokesman, Cmdr. Jeffrey D. Gordon. Link And yet all of the former Bush critics in this forum remain silent. Their silence speaks volumes. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 AndGuantanamo meets Geneva Convention standards Reporting from Washington -- The Pentagon has concluded that the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay meets the standards for humane treatment of detainees established in the Geneva Convention accords. The report, which has not officially been released, "has been completed and will be delivered to the White House in accordance with the president's executive order," said a Pentagon spokesman, Cmdr. Jeffrey D. Gordon. Link And yet all of the former Bush critics in this forum remain silent. Their silence speaks volumes. Don't judge so much on what is said but what is not...seems to be like my childhood - they used to beat up my older brother - I would hide and know as long as they were pounding him they were not harming me - Eventually I had to stand up to the bullies - and clean up the town. Quote
eyeball Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 And yet all of the former Bush critics in this forum remain silent. Their silence speaks volumes. Obama's certainly not the beneficiary of the sort of clamorous support that Bush seemed to get no matter how harebrained his policies were which I think says far more about the obsequious quality of Bush's supporters. I guess it'll always be a mystery to folks like you why so many of America's critics often refer to the Republicans and Democrats as Tweedledum and Tweedledee. By rights you should be saying something supportive about Obama if you think maintaining some of Bush's worst policies is a such a good idea. Your silence on that score is rather deafening don't you think? Is bringing yourself to say something positive about a Democrat really that hard? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Posted February 22, 2009 ...I guess it'll always be a mystery to folks like you why so many of America's critics often refer to the Republicans and Democrats as Tweedledum and Tweedledee. ..as opposed to Canada's references as 'Three Blind Mice" or "The Seven Dwarfs". By rights you should be saying something supportive about Obama if you think maintaining some of Bush's worst policies is a such a good idea. Your silence on that score is rather deafening don't you think? Is bringing yourself to say something positive about a Democrat really that hard? This is not silence...this thread reports the continuing Bush policy under an Obama administration. Salute! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) By rights you should be saying something supportive about Obama if you think maintaining some of Bush's worst policies is a such a good idea. Your silence on that score is rather deafening don't you think? Is bringing yourself to say something positive about a Democrat really that hard? No it's not, and you're absolutely right. I actually applaud Obama's decision on this, and on air strikes in Afghanistan/Pakistan. They're right, and they're necessary. I just wish he hadn't politicized them so much during the campaign, but I understand that politics can be rough. Edited February 22, 2009 by Shady Quote
punked Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 No it's not, and you're absolutely right. I actually applaud Obama's decision on this, and on air strikes in Afghanistan/Pakistan. They're right, and they're necessary. I just wish he hadn't politicized them so much during the campaign, but I understand that politics can be rough. If I remember during the campaign Obama was for going after those in Pakistan and McCain was against it. You didn't fallow the campaign too well did you? http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/27/po...ry4483110.shtml Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 If I remember during the campaign Obama was for going after those in Pakistan and McCain was against it. You didn't fallow the campaign too well did you?http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/27/po...ry4483110.shtml Even if there were no geo-global conflicts in existance - even if there was total peace in the world - America must wage war..it is their primary industry. That is all they know how to do well. Obama sat in an interview and stated "we must be better prepared for the NEXT conflict" - my take on this statement and the chavelier tone exuded one thing from this man - That if peace suddenly broke out on a planetary scale - he would guard the right of America to exploit though intimidation and violence...He could have said "My job is to negotiate with wood be advesaries and make sure not one single American service person looses their life" _ He did not say that and he will never say that...Biden is in charge along with the old boys club - and Obama will comply! Quote
Shady Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) More material which is sure to cause Cheney a good laugh or two. Obama defends Bush-era secrets President Obama’s administration is moving aggressively to protect what the government insists are “state secrets” from a Bush-era wiretapping program. Justice Department lawyers filed an emergency motion Friday with a federal appeals court in an effort to block a lower court’s order that the government must show lawyers for the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation a copy of a document indicating that the group’s communications were being intercepted. The document has been the subject of a running legal battle since the papers were accidentally sent to attorneys for the group in 2004 and subsequently retrieved. “Disclosure of the material at issue here would cause exceptionally grave harm to the national security and result in irreparable injury to the United States,” the Justice Department wrote. It said information about the surveillance program is considered “Top Secret — Sensitive Compartmented Information.” Link Again, I applaud Obama for understanding the threats, and understanding the importance of keeping these types of programs in place. And I expect a sincere apology from various members of the forum, who viciously and unfairly attacked President Bush over the past several years. After the proper apology is issued, I will remove the offender's name from the list. If your name does not appear on the list, I've deemed your contributions as not significant enough to be included. If your name does appear on the list, feel honored that I took the time to include you. American Woman BC chick Black Dog BubberMiley charter.rights daniel Drea eyeball GostHacked guyser Higgly jdobbin KeyStone Liam Moonlight Graham msj PoliticalCitizen punked Riverwind stevoh Topaz WIP Edited February 23, 2009 by Shady Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I offer with free will my sincerest apology for any offensive statement against the former President Bush...I acutally like the guy and do not blame him personally or professionally for being in a postion where he had no choice but to enforce defective policy. Being the Chief of such a large and diverse tribe with so many people with so many different wants is difficult...You can not please all of the people all of the time...now lets move forward...and thanks for the pardon. Quote
Shady Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I offer with free will my sincerest apology for any offensive statement against the former President Bush...I acutally like the guy and do not blame him personally or professionally for being in a postion where he had no choice but to enforce defective policy. Being the Chief of such a large and diverse tribe with so many people with so many different wants is difficult...You can not please all of the people all of the time...now lets move forward...and thanks for the pardon. Excellent. Your name has been officially removed from the list. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 Excellent. Your name has been officially removed from the list. Thank you for the grace shown...haters are clouded...and although some assmume that I hate - I do not... Quote
eyeball Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I expect a sincere apology from various members of the forum, who viciously and unfairly attacked President Bush over the past several years. You're dreaming, and its definitely starting to look as if America elected another moron. I may have made a few references about change being worth hoping for from time to time but I also questioned the assumption that anyone would undo the new powers Bush and Cheney gave the state over individuals. I certainly never imagined Clinton would and began doubting Obama would either when he started talking about bombing Pakistan. That certainly wasn't the kind of change I was hoping for. In any case why you are so convinced, now that Obama is showing his true colors (no pun intended), that even a whiff of support anyone might have demonstrated for him should cause them to suddenly display the sort of obsequious support for Bush's policies that you have? That's even wierder than expecting an apology. Welcome to the new improved world order. I hope you choke on it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 You're dreaming, and its definitely starting to look as if America elected another moron. I may have made a few references about change being worth hoping for from time to time but I also questioned the assumption that anyone would undo the new powers Bush and Cheney gave the state over individuals. I certainly never imagined Clinton would and began doubting Obama would either when he started talking about bombing Pakistan. That certainly wasn't the kind of change I was hoping for. In any case why you are so convinced, now that Obama is showing his true colors (no pun intended), that even a whiff of support anyone might have demonstrated for him should cause them to suddenly display the sort of obsequious support for Bush's policies that you have? That's even wierder than expecting an apology. Welcome to the new improved world order. I hope you choke on it. I see the point he is making....no one man who is President of Prime Minister has any real power of total power for that matter -- all is rule by committee - and we are not privy to those meetings - nor are they published. If you looked past the spinning and at the man - I am sure George W Bush did his best..and was not a monster...I read a man well...If you want to bash - search out the ones who pushed him forward to do their bidding - J F K took the brave stance and went against the committee - and look where it got him...As the old dying former lawyer for Lyndon Bains Johnston revealed after the assasination - the committee were drinking and it was blurted out "That s o b will not be giving us any trouble any more"...go figure. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 I see the point he is making....no one man who is President of Prime Minister has any real power of total power for that matter -- all is rule by committee - and we are not privy to those meetings - nor are they published. If you looked past the spinning and at the man - I am sure George W Bush did his best..and was not a monster...I read a man well...If you want to bash - search out the ones who pushed him forward to do their bidding - J F K took the brave stance and went against the committee - and look where it got him...As the old dying former lawyer for Lyndon Bains Johnston revealed after the assasination - the committee were drinking and it was blurted out "That s o b will not be giving us any trouble any more"...go figure. Supplementary: Watching Bush at a press conference...Bush senior was standing just behind his son...I studied Bush's father closely..He was scanning the room and the look was unmistakable...His eyes revealed what he was thinking...great concern and worry - He was wondering - who was going to possibly kill his son....That burden is one that some presidents except blindly and others except with full knowledge that having the seat in the most powerful office on earth is dangerous. They must govern themselves accordingly as we all do. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 AndGuantanamo meets Geneva Convention standards Reporting from Washington -- The Pentagon has concluded that the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay meets the standards for humane treatment of detainees established in the Geneva Convention accords. The report, which has not officially been released, "has been completed and will be delivered to the White House in accordance with the president's executive order," said a Pentagon spokesman, Cmdr. Jeffrey D. Gordon. Link This is such bullcrap. Laughable. How about they send Amnesty International or the UN into Gitmo instead of the Pentagon and see what they say? This is like a drunk driver giving himself his own breathalizer test and saying he's good to go. And if by miracle the report is true, there must have been some mad scrambling to clean the place up. I can still hear the paper shredders buzzing... Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 You can't make this stuff up.....I bet VP Cheney is ROTFLHAO: U.S. President Barack Obama sided with the previous Bush administration Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights. In a two-sentence court filing, the U.S. Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing sparked dismay among human rights lawyers. "The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Airfield. "We all expected better." http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/20/obama-bush.html This is very disappointing. But as an avid Bush/Cheney supporter you must be very pleased. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Posted February 25, 2009 This is very disappointing. But as an avid Bush/Cheney supporter you must be very pleased. More relieved than pleased. I rest easy a little more each day as the new president "Obamas" Pakistan with impunity. I'm beginning to think that nobody considered what would happen if a "much smarter" president ever got his hands on America's killing machine. Now we know..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 More relieved than pleased. I rest easy a little more each day as the new president "Obamas" Pakistan with impunity.I'm beginning to think that nobody considered what would happen if a "much smarter" president ever got his hands on America's killing machine. Now we know..... What makes you think that Obama is more intelligent than the former President Bush? Because Obama got an A in social studies back in grade 6 - while George was playing hookie and blowing up bull frogs with fire crackes? .......That was considered good clean sport back in the day --- and don't say that abuse of amphibians leads to the shock and awe! - so --- B C - what do we know - in "Now we know?" - feel like letting me know - now that I am an honorary Amerian. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) ... what do we know - in "Now we know?" - feel like letting me know - now that I am an honorary Amerian. The only honorary Americans are dead. What we know is that Obama is trying to avoid Jimmy Carter Disease (JCD). Edited February 25, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 The only honoray Americans are dead. What we know is that Obama is trying to avoid Jimmy Carter Disease (JCD). Question - as you see it. Will Obama maintain the status quo that was for the last 8 years? Will he re-harness the "killing machine" as you put it and release the monster in order to ensure prosperity and supposed stablity for the elite? Or will he actually bring about "change we can believe in" - that last part - pretty hard to believe --- in some change that has not taken place yet ....it has to be more than a word --- what do you see changing>?....I don't see a thing. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Posted February 25, 2009 .... what do you see changing>?....I don't see a thing. There is no change...America is the same as it ever was...changing to satisfy self interest. Obama knows he cannot drop the ball in the end zone. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 There is no change...America is the same as it ever was...changing to satisfy self interest. Obama knows he cannot drop the ball in the end zone. Good night. I guess it's up to you the average citizen to keep things in check...speak on occassion and advise - they will listen - who else is there? Quote
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