SocDem Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I would respect Layton more if he dumped his beard. He doesn't have a beard, he has a mustache, an incredible manly mustache.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc1765 Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 This is why I don't vote NDP. They oppose for the sake of opposing (well, all parties do but the NDP is probably the worst at it). Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 This is why I don't vote NDP. They oppose for the sake of opposing (well, all parties do but the NDP is probably the worst at it). Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? My goodnes...an opposition party opposing the government. Why they probably sit 'opposite' the government seats in the house too! What we need is an opposition parties that actually support the governing party - that would be true opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gc1765 Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 My goodnes...an opposition party opposing the government. Why they probably sit 'opposite' the government seats in the house too!What we need is an opposition parties that actually support the governing party - that would be true opposition. So you don't think parties should work together?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 LOL, Canadians would rather have an election then let the Bloc lead the entire country. Harper never let the Bloc lead the country like Layton and Ignatieff are ready to do. Say they take the PMO in a CoupScam, when it falls apart and we go to an election and the Tories win a majority will you come back and apologize to me and say I was right? The Bloc has often been in the unique position of holding a balance of power. Aside from Harper using them in his 2004 Coalition, he has made special deals with them at least 14 times to pass various motions. You might say that technically they already 'lead the entire country'. Neither Harper nor the NDP/Liberal Coalition, which will remain together in spirit, can do anything without them. Fanning the fires of national disunity "Mr. Harper is launching hypocritical attacks that can lead to a national disaster, and, with the time prorogation has granted him, he will no doubt continue to promote disunity. Consider the following falsehoods that he, his ministers and their party are spreading: 1. The Bloc is part of the Liberal-NDP coalition. It's not. But it is providing needed stability by signing an agreement not to bring down the coalition during its first 18 months. Mr. Harper has relied on the Bloc 14 times in votes, and twice on budget ones." In fact, it's probably better for the Bloc if Harper holds onto power for awhile, because ultimately they have all the power. However, if his government falls and the GG asks Ignatieff to take the reins, the Bloc cannot vote freely on confidence motions...the big guys...like budgets, etc. They are willing to set aside their agenda for a year and a half. Harper is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 So you don't think parties should work together?? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Disunity? Are you serious? So your solution to this imagined "disunity" is for the Liberals to share the keys of the PMO with the Separatist Bloc and the hard-left Jack Layton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Layton saying he will vote against the budget sight unseen is as stupid as the Conservatives running adds demanding it should be passed sight unseen. I think most people just want our politicians to stop screwing around and start dealing with the country's business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I think most people just want our politicians to stop screwing around and start dealing with the country's business. Precisely what PM Harper and the Tories are doing. The Separatist Bloc and the NDP will vote against it no matter what's in it as their lust for power in all encompassing. The Liberals are taking the classic position of sitting on the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGreenthumb Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Precisely what PM Harper and the Tories are doing. The Separatist Bloc and the NDP will vote against it no matter what's in it as their lust for power in all encompassing. The Liberals are taking the classic position of sitting on the fence. Pfffft, Harper and the supposi'Tories CAUSED this whole mess with their partisan attacks in the fiscal update. They can't be trusted and should be removed, the budget is irrelevant. Harper is a snake needs to be cast out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Even though I don't agree with Layton on some issues, I understand why he said it. Harper has PROMISED, in one of his budgets, money for municipalities, and Jack had talked to them and asked what have they done with the money that Harper had promised to give them. The mayors had said they are still waiting for that money. On the news recently farmer's are still waiting for their money the government promised, also. So this is why Layton said he has lost confidence in the government, and understandly, I agree, but he still should keep an open mind on this budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Layton has completely shot his wad with his unwavering support of the dead duck coalition. He has no game left, hence his bizarre posturing and crowing about voting against a budget he has not seen. Does he think this will increase or even retain support for his party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Layton has completely shot his wad with his unwavering support of the dead duck coalition.He has no game left, hence his bizarre posturing and crowing about voting against a budget he has not seen. Does he think this will increase or even retain support for his party? As strange as it sounds it'll probably stay about the same as people on the left hate Harper or any Tory anyhow. They'll soon start bashing the Liberals and saying that we cannot tell the difference between Igantieff and Harper or some such nonsense. That seat they have in Alberta will be gone though, no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Even though I don't agree with Layton on some issues, I understand why he said it. Harper has PROMISED, in one of his budgets, money for municipalities, and Jack had talked to them and asked what have they done with the money that Harper had promised to give them. The mayors had said they are still waiting for that money. On the news recently farmer's are still waiting for their money the government promised, also. So this is why Layton said he has lost confidence in the government, and understandly, I agree, but he still should keep an open mind on this budget. I agree with the Tory stance of the municipalities putting up equal money to the amount they want. This shows that they don't just want a handout but are comitted to doing some work too. Topaz, you can't take everything Layton says at face value, he is a politician after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Layton has completely shot his wad with his unwavering support of the dead duck coalition. I can assure you that the Coalition is anything but dead and is free of cracks. In fact, the solidarity has been strengthened the past couple of weeks. As for Layton's wad. He's been given Viagra and is raring to go. 1. Show me the money 2. No broad based tax cuts. Unwavering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I agree with the Tory stance of the municipalities putting up equal money to the amount they want. This shows that they don't just want a handout but are comitted to doing some work too. Topaz, you can't take everything Layton says at face value, he is a politician after all. Layton isn't the only one saying about no delivery on the money, the Libs are saying it and so are the mayors and other leaders of the communities. I keep asking were did Harper spend the 12 BILLION+3??????????????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 That matching crap is about as slow-motion and dishonest as it gets. I didn't like it when done by previous administrations, and to do it now is nothing short of obstruction. Worse, matching provides the most cash to those who need it least, and the least to those who need it most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 That matching crap is about as slow-motion and dishonest as it gets. I didn't like it when done by previous administrations, and to do it now is nothing short of obstruction. Worse, matching provides the most cash to those who need it least, and the least to those who need it most. It does? How does asking municipalities to invest in their future in partnership with the Feds equal obstruction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Municipalities don't have puddles of money waiting around in anticipation of one-time matching grants, nor do they have the unrestricted power to borrow-- both of those circumstances largely due to regulations that they have no hand in making. If they don't have, and can't get that money, then they can't match, and there is no grant. Right now, there is serious urgency about getting projects up and running. To force the wheels to slow to the pace at which municalities can access matching funds is to OBSTRUCT the stated objective of the grants. (And you already knew that, but blow smoke for the similar sake of partisan obstruction.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Municipalities don't have puddles of money waiting around in anticipation of one-time matching grants, nor do they have the unrestricted power to borrow-- both of those circumstances largely due to regulations that they have no hand in making. If they don't have, and can't get that money, then they can't match, and there is no grant. Right now, there is serious urgency about getting projects up and running. To force the wheels to slow to the pace at which municalities can access matching funds is to OBSTRUCT the stated objective of the grants. (And you already knew that, but blow smoke for the similar sake of partisan obstruction.) Municipalities are great money wasters especially Mayor Miller and his band of idiots in Toronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Precisely what PM Harper and the Tories are doing. If so, they better keep doing it. Municipalities are great money wasters especially Mayor Miller and his band of idiots in Toronto. Can't comment on Miller but I disagree with that statement in general. Municipal politicians have to be far more accountable than other levels of government as it is much more difficult for them to pass the buck and they have far fewer options when it comes to raising revenue. In BC at least, municipalities can only borrow to finance capital projects, unlike the feds or provinces who can borrow just to pay the light bill. I can see the matching idea when it comes to sharing with the provinces, there is no reason the federal government should be the only one to go into deficit. It is everyones problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I can assure you that the Coalition is anything but dead and is free of cracks. In fact, the solidarity has been strengthened the past couple of weeks. NDP Leader Jack Layton appeared shocked Wednesday when the Liberals came out in support of the Conservatives' budget, effectively ending an unprecedented NDP-Grit coalition forged only two months ago to topple the Tory government. "We have a new coalition now on Parliament Hill -- it's a coalition between Mr. Harper and Mr. Ignatieff," Bloc Quebecois Gilles Duceppe also addressed the media Wednesday to express his disdain for Ignatieff's decision. "That's the end of the coalition," said Duceppe. Ignatieff would not officially say the coalition was dead but his Quebec lieutenant, Denis Coderre, bluntly declared it "dead," according to The Canadian Press. Ultimately, however, the Grits will make a power grab and will topple the Tories."That's their game plan. They've got wind in their sales now, they don't need to NDP and they certainly don't need the Bloc Quebecois," said Fife. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...28?hub=Politics Stick a fork in it's ass, the coalition is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Stick a fork in it's ass. I dunno why half the left refuses to let it die. Btw wasn't that what Michael Richards said when he was bood off stage...hahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I dunno why half the left refuses to let it die. Btw wasn't that what Michael Richards said when he was bood off stage...hahaha. wouldn't know..it's what Lou Reed sang in his song "the great american whale" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Municipalities don't have puddles of money waiting around in anticipation of one-time matching grants, nor do they have the unrestricted power to borrow-- both of those circumstances largely due to regulations that they have no hand in making. MUnciipalities have the power of taxation and numerous other sources of revenue. Nothing prevents them from raising funds for their projects, other than fear of their electorate and a willingness to pawn off responisbility to other levels of govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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