madmax Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 And this week is just about the same as any other, 62% or thereabouts, of Canadians still don't want a Conservative government. And less want a Liberal Government. Thus making it the best choice to form a government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Yes. There is a big difference between admiring a leader and supporting the party...in this case, while Layton might get 24% his party will be lucky to get 15% nationally. Which will make them last. The Bloc which will get more seats and rightfully so will get upwards to 36% in Quebec. All the NDP need do to improve their results is to convince at least 10 more out of 100 Canadians that they aren't damgerous. An impossible task. Morris - impossible because they go out of their way to paint themselves as off the mainstream when in many ways they're not. Layton promised a 22% corporate tax... which is fairly low... and they didn't make it well known at all. Why they have mainstream policies, but try to appear as hippies is anyone's guess. They probably feel guilty about something. In any case, they should start telling the wingnuts to be quiet and make an explicit announcement that they're moving towards the centre. The liberals in the UK died in the 1970s, and with the right moves, they can squeeze them out like Labour did, or like Reform did in the 1990s in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 In any case, they should start telling the wingnuts to be quiet and make an explicit announcement that they're moving towards the centre. Couldn't they also just cross the floor and invade it? Actions always speak better than words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastViking Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The NDP numbers do not change when the LPC numbers fall. The myth is that there is a generic LPC swing voter that votes NDP when the LPC are not desired. Today's seat projection validates your position. The chart shows Liberals & CPC virtually tied in July, but since then, Liberals have lost 34 and Tories gained 32. The inverse relationship in play this year is pretty clear. It is a sea change departure from the NDP/Liberal movements over the past five years. Check out the NDP downspikes to 21/12/13. With each there was a corresponding upspike for the Grits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Couldn't they also just cross the floor and invade it? Actions always speak better than words. LOL The Liberals got the NDP wingnuts already. There known as Rae and Dosanjh. Two of the biggest failures in electoral politics. The Non Wingnuts appear to get elected and re elected and remain in the NDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 And this week is just about the same as any other, 62% or thereabouts, of Canadians still don't want a Conservative government. ....and 77% don't want a Liberal government and 83% don't want the NDP. And your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 ....and 77% don't want a Liberal government and 83% don't want the NDP. And your point is? That nobody has a clue what Canadians do want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The New AR poll is crazy. Conservatives 38 Liberals 23 NDP 17 BQ 11 With these numbers the Bloc could win almost every seat in PQ and the NDP could grab a few too. http://www.visioncritical.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2009.11.20_Politics_CAN.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Tories at 37%, the Liberals at 24% and the NDP at 19% http://www.canada.com/news/Federal+making+gains+Liberal+Tory+expense+Poll/2247668/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Tories at 37%, the Liberals at 24% and the NDP at 19% http://www.canada.com/news/Federal+making+gains+Liberal+Tory+expense+Poll/2247668/story.html Common sense is taking hold. Liberals were losing to the right and now they are clearly losing to the left. That's what happens when you stand for nothing. If Layton plays his cards right (pardon the pun), he could keep mowing down the Liberal Left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I don't think it's anything to do with common sense (I hate that word). The Conservatives are doing a good job and the Liberals are doing terrible at communicating or even getting noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I don't think it's anything to do with common sense (I hate that word). The Conservatives are doing a good job and the Liberals are doing terrible at communicating or even getting noticed. That's two words. You're right though.....it can be a little patronizing at times...because one person's "common sense" can be nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 That's two words. You're right though.....it can be a little patronizing at times...because one person's "common sense" can be nonsensical. I wouldn't be swinging from the rafters just yet folks. It seems to me there is a bunch of dirt being dug up, most of it looks very Tory. It will take time to play out, but I will suggest that there will be a swing away from the Tory party soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I wouldn't be swinging from the rafters just yet folks. It seems to me there is a bunch of dirt being dug up, most of it looks very Tory. It will take time to play out, but I will suggest that there will be a swing away from the Tory party soon. The Liberals have been saying that for a year, but nothing has swung their way even though in the last poll the Cons dropped 2% none of that went to the Liberals. Even if their is a Con drop that does not mean it will go to the Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I wouldn't be swinging from the rafters just yet folks. It seems to me there is a bunch of dirt being dug up, most of it looks very Tory. It will take time to play out, but I will suggest that there will be a swing away from the Tory party soon. I take it you're referring to the allegations that Canada is complicit in war crimes and this will undo the Conservatives. Consider that Colvin was in Afghanistan for 17 months in the period 2006-7, immediately following the defeat of the Liberals. In that period, the Conservatives increased Canada's oversight of the transfer of detainees. So Calvin's claims have just as much to do with the Liberals' handling of the file. Once these facts are established at the Special House committee, you really think Canadians pin the whole thing on Conservatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 That's two words. You're right.... sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I take it you're referring to the allegations that Canada is complicit in war crimes and this will undo the Conservatives. Consider that Colvin was in Afghanistan for 17 months in the period 2006-7, immediately following the defeat of the Liberals. In that period, the Conservatives increased Canada's oversight of the transfer of detainees. So Calvin's claims have just as much to do with the Liberals' handling of the file. Once these facts are established at the Special House committee, you really think Canadians pin the whole thing on Conservatives? I know they wont pin on the only party to be against this thing from the start we might see the NDP take over the Liberals for this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I know they wont pin on the only party to be against this thing from the start we might see the NDP take over the Liberals for this reason. 1)Harper Sales Tax 2)Allegations of war crimes What will number three be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 1)Harper Sales Tax 2)Allegations of war crimes What will number three be? We just had two people go to jail over sponsorship I dont think that is quite dead yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 I don't think it's anything to do with common sense (I hate that word). The Conservatives are doing a good job and the Liberals are doing terrible at communicating or even getting noticed. Its been months since the last Harper Screwup. Its almost like he has become comfortable in his own skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 We just had two people go to jail over sponsorship I dont think that is quite dead yet. The wheels of justice always seem to turn too slowly for most of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_ON Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Lastest Ekos Poll http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/11/25/ekos-poll025.html The poll, commissioned by the CBC and released Thursday, suggests the Conservatives would have the support of 36.9 per cent of eligible voters and the Liberals 27.1 per cent. The NDP would follow at 15.3 per cent, the Green Party at 11.4 per cent and the Bloc Québécois at 9.4 per cent, according to the poll. While the Conservatives continued to hold the lead in voter support, approval of the government's direction dropped among those polled in the last week. EKOS conducted the poll between Nov. 11 and Nov. 24. EKOS surveyed 5,759 Canadians from across the country over the age of 18. It's one in a series of weekly polls conducted by EKOS and released by CBC News. The margin of error for this survey is plus or minus 1.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. So the CPC has held fairly steady thus far and the issues some thought would affect their numbers hasn't to date and I don't really think they will It is interesting to note that the CPC's approval rating is slipping though this is to be expected the longer they hold power. Heretofore this hasn't translated into the poll numbers and I don't think it will until such time as Canadians perceive they have a viable alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanchateau Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Conservative lead drops to 35.7% Liberals remain at 27.1% 43.4% now believe that the Government of Canada is moving in the right direction and 43.7% now believe that it's moving in the wrong direction. http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/update_to_release_november_26.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Quebec Poll. BQ - 37% (up 4% since last Leger poll in September) CPC - 20% (up 3%) Libs - 20% (down 13%) NDP - 17% (up 3%) Green - 5% (up 1%) http://www.legermarketing.com/documents/POL/0911301FR.pdf Edited December 1, 2009 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 New Ekos Poll. Haven't had many polls this month. National federal vote intention: ¤ 35.6% CPC ¤ 26.5% LPC ¤ 16.7% NDP ¤ 11.3% Green ¤ 9.9% BQ • Change since November 26: ¤ -1.3% CPC ¤ -0.6% LPC ¤ +1.4% NDP ¤ -0.1% Green ¤ +0.5% BQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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