Progressive Tory Posted December 29, 2008 Report Posted December 29, 2008 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Harper+stiff+...4050/story.html "In the face of dissension within the party, Stephen Harper's Conservative government is reiterating its commitment to not reopen the debate on abortion." Guess that's that. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Mr.Canada Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Now isn't the time I agree but this issue will be looked at again at some point and a Bill will be introduced. The Pro-Choice are afraid of even government discussing it. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
DrGreenthumb Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Harper+stiff+...4050/story.html"In the face of dissension within the party, Stephen Harper's Conservative government is reiterating its commitment to not reopen the debate on abortion." Guess that's that. Yeah cuz Harper would never say one thing and then do another. He wouldn't for instance promise not to tax income trusts, then tax them. He wouldn't pass a fixed election date law to prevent governments from calling elections at a time of political advantage , then call an election because he thought the polls were favoring him(or to try to get elected before the country found out how much they had wasted our money) He wouldn't say he would never make senate appointments of unelected senators and then....... I think it is obvious that abortion laws are still very much on the mind of many conservative MP's. If harper thinks now is not the right time is that because he knows he would need a majority to pass it? Don't EVER let these neanderthals NEAR a majority! Quote
Cameron Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Don't EVER let these neanderthals NEAR a majority! Duly noted and discarded. Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
gordiecanuk Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Harper+stiff+...4050/story.html"In the face of dissension within the party, Stephen Harper's Conservative government is reiterating its commitment to not reopen the debate on abortion." Guess that's that. That won't be it...there are too many CPC members in the grassroots who want this addressed now. Harper is smart though, he's not going to follow an ideologically based agenda without a majority mandate, and even then I'm sure he'd be smart enough to deal with stuff like abortion and gay marriage early in a mandate. Quote You're welcome to visit my blog: Canadian Soapbox
Progressive Tory Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Posted December 30, 2008 I think the Conservative party is in serious trouble. Their roots are still Reform/Alliance and those MPs who entered politics to promote a social conservative agenda, must be getting very frustrated. They've waited three years now for Harper to deliver. How much longer can they sit on their hands waiting for the elusive majority? This recent crisis has shown their leader's vulnerability. He has been credited with uniting the Right and the Left, but if the Coalition remains strong, or enter the next election united in some form of co-operation; the Conservatives will not win. Canadians just don't like Stephen Harper. That is a fact, not my own bias. How many times can he re-invent himself? I may not agree with the Religous Right, but their candidates were elected; not in spite of their views, but because of them. In a democracy, they have every right to be there, and the views of their constituents have to be their priority. Personally, I don't believe that religion and politics should mix, but it is what it is. However, once again their voices have been silenced, and not by the opposition. How do they justify this to their supporters who were promised social change? A while back, I saw a notice in our local paper that there was a meeting planned for all those interested in bringing back the old Reform Party. I don't know if they had any luck, but there are obviously many people disappointed with the results of the present government, and again not just the opposition. Stephen Harper must be replaced, but with whom? My own personal choice would be Jim Prentice, but I don't think his views mesh with the RR. He would however, hold more appeal to mainstream Canadians. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
gordiecanuk Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Stephen Harper must be replaced, but with whom? My own personal choice would be Jim Prentice, but I don't think his views mesh with the RR. He would however, hold more appeal to mainstream Canadians. Old Reform/Alliance members are not going to accept anyone who isn't a fundamentalist/evangelical Christian, at least I don't think they will. Personally I'd love to see the CHP or some other manifestation of the old Reform party gain some traction. I don't want to see a return to Liberal arrogance, there needs to be a viable alternative to keep them honest. The CPC as currently constructed, with all these Bible thumpers...in the end equation Canadians will wake up and see them for what they are, closed minded and intolerant. Edited December 30, 2008 by gordiecanuk Quote You're welcome to visit my blog: Canadian Soapbox
Progressive Tory Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Posted December 30, 2008 So far as the whole honesty thing, the 'In and Out Scandal' amoung others, has shown that this new Conservative Party can play with the best of them. Bringing on board so many members of the corrupt Mike Harris Government was not a smart thing to do, because the Evangelical wing of the party is being painted with the same brush. Do you have any thoughts as to who the RR would support as leader? I saw a website suggesting John Baird, but I don't see that happening. It's not his being gay that would be a problem, but his strong support of equal marriage. He's also kind of a buffoon, so would be easy to parody and his experience in Ontario was abysmal. I can't think of anyone else who would make a good leader, that would be able to appeal to all Conservatives. I like Rhona Ambrose but I don't think she's a leader. Any thoughts? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Argus Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Old Reform/Alliance members are not going to accept anyone who isn't a fundamentalist/evangelical Christian, at least I don't think they will. Personally I'd love to see the CHP or some other manifestation of the old Reform party gain some traction. I don't want to see a return to Liberal arrogance, there needs to be a viable alternative to keep them honest. The CPC as currently constructed, with all these Bible thumpers...in the end equation Canadians will wake up and see them for what they are, closed minded and intolerant. Sounds to me like you're the one who's close-minded and intolerant with your ignorant and bigoted talk about "bible thumpers". The religious right never constituted more than a small minority of the Reform Party, let alone the Conservative Party. The Conservatives, btw, continue to be the most ethnically diverse caucus in Parliament, just as the Reformers were before them. But I'm sure we'd never see the likes of you whining about all those religious Sikhs, Hindus or whatnot in their ranks. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 I wonder how many folks here support affirmative action? I mean really, how in the world do you create ethnic diversity anyway? Quote
ToadBrother Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Now isn't the time I agree but this issue will be looked at again at some point and a Bill will be introduced. The Pro-Choice are afraid of even government discussing it. No it won't. No one is going to reopen the debate, ever. There is too much political capital on the Conservative side to be lost by this. Harper has spent the better part of a decade beating down guys like you, and neither he nor his heirs are going to let a bunch of religious blowhards destroy their chances at forming governments over a debate that was over a long time ago. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Posted December 30, 2008 Sounds to me like you're the one who's close-minded and intolerant with your ignorant and bigoted talk about "bible thumpers". The religious right never constituted more than a small minority of the Reform Party, let alone the Conservative Party. The Conservatives, btw, continue to be the most ethnically diverse caucus in Parliament, just as the Reformers were before them. But I'm sure we'd never see the likes of you whining about all those religious Sikhs, Hindus or whatnot in their ranks. Actually, the Religous Right of the Reform/Alliance still has a majority within the new Conservative party, and Evangelicals abound. I haven't done a headcount from other parties (I do have one for the Conservatives), but there is a lot of cultural and ethnic diversity. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted December 30, 2008 Author Report Posted December 30, 2008 That won't be it...there are too many CPC members in the grassroots who want this addressed now. Harper is smart though, he's not going to follow an ideologically based agenda without a majority mandate, and even then I'm sure he'd be smart enough to deal with stuff like abortion and gay marriage early in a mandate. CPC is the official acronym for the Communist Party of Canada. The New Conservatives use simply CP. They had to change because of a conflict. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
noahbody Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Actually, the Religous Right of the Reform/Alliance still has a majority within the new Conservative party, and Evangelicals abound. Citation? And "My friend Joe told me" doesn't count. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Abortion is inforced - to control the herd - so how does it feel....to be a dumb animal? Quote
madmax Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Now isn't the time I agree but this issue will be looked at again at some point and a Bill will be introduced. The Pro-Choice are afraid of even government discussing it. The CPC have been misleading you pro-life supporters for a long time..... I expect it to continue and I expect you to keep on biting. Quote
Alta4ever Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Don't EVER let these neanderthals NEAR a majority! Don't ever let the hippie pot heads near anykind of government. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Oleg Bach Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Don't ever let the hippie pot heads near anykind of government. Don't let any one who has been institutionalized in our universities near politics - and get rid of all the lawyers..they lie - as we all know. Quote
ToadBrother Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Abortion is inforced - to control the herd - so how does it feel....to be a dumb animal? Hmmm, I don't recall anybody being forced into an abortion. Quote
Moonbox Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Don't let any one who has been institutionalized in our universities near politics - and get rid of all the lawyers..they lie - as we all know. Yeah...there's an idea. Let's make sure that all our leaders are uneducated in the arts of politics, economics and law, and let's replace them with 'hard workin' folks who have no idea what politics, economics and law really are. Bach, I think you're on to something....either that or you're smoking something... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ToadBrother Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Yeah...there's an idea. Let's make sure that all our leaders are uneducated in the arts of politics, economics and law, and let's replace them with 'hard workin' folks who have no idea what politics, economics and law really are.Bach, I think you're on to something....either that or you're smoking something... You know what I'd like, I'd like a Prime Minister who had some substantial knowledge of history. Churchill, for all his flaws, was exceedingly well-read on political and military history, and I think that that is responsible for no small part in the quality of his leadership. Quite frankly, the kind of people that Canadians have picked as leaders both provincially and federally over the last quarter century just blows me away. What a pack of ignorant, visionless twits. Successes seem to have been more by accident than by any great intentions. Quote
LesterDC Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Don't let any one who has been institutionalized in our universities near politics - and get rid of all the lawyers..they lie - as we all know. Let's elect Sarah Palin shall we? Who needs knowledge... You know what I'd like, I'd like a Prime Minister who had some substantial knowledge of history. Churchill, for all his flaws, was exceedingly well-read on political and military history, and I think that that is responsible for no small part in the quality of his leadership.Quite frankly, the kind of people that Canadians have picked as leaders both provincially and federally over the last quarter century just blows me away. What a pack of ignorant, visionless twits. Successes seem to have been more by accident than by any great intentions. Quite right Quote
capricorn Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 No it won't. No one is going to reopen the debate, ever. There is too much political capital on the Conservative side to be lost by this. Harper has spent the better part of a decade beating down guys like you, and neither he nor his heirs are going to let a bunch of religious blowhards destroy their chances at forming governments over a debate that was over a long time ago. As things stand, women can have an abortion anytime, anywhere and for any reason they want. What will bringing forward abortion legislation accomplish? All it would do is stir up a hornet's nest. Leave it alone and let women struggle with their conscience over their own situation. My conscience is busy with other matters. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jack Weber Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 Yeah...there's an idea. Let's make sure that all our leaders are uneducated in the arts of politics, economics and law, and let's replace them with 'hard workin' folks who have no idea what politics, economics and law really are.Bach, I think you're on to something....either that or you're smoking something... You got to love the conservative revulsion to all things intellectual.This is why the deep thinkers of conservativism in North America are folks like Michael Savage,Sean Hannity,Anne Coulter,Rachel Marsden,Rush Limbaugh,Sarah Palin,and,..ahem...Donald S. Cherry... All that's left of a movement like that is the dimwitted,bullying ideologues.The current version of conservativism is almost at an end when this is best they can come up with to "intellectually" support their position....What a dead end ideology.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted December 30, 2008 Report Posted December 30, 2008 As things stand, women can have an abortion anytime, anywhere and for any reason they want. I think provinces usually have some kind of regulation on the subject. Quote
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