cybercoma Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) If the Liberals hold 77 seats and the NDP holds 37 seats, then the coalition's total number of seats would be 114--The Bloc, not actually part of the coalition, have merely made an agreement of support with no formal tie. The Conservative Party holds 143 seats and would therefore still have more seats in the house than the Coalition Liberal-NDP governing alliance. The GG should not actually make them the governing party for this reason. Unless the Bloc formally becomes part of the coalition, the Conservatives are still the rightful governing party. Edited December 2, 2008 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) She likely would not except that the BQ has signed some sort of agreement - I haven't seen it - whereby he is agreeing to support this new abomination for a given period of time. Whether he has seats in cabinet or not is not important. His seats give the coallition, if we can call it that, more than enough. Edited December 2, 2008 by Charles Anthony deleted unnecessarily re-copied Opening Post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 3 months to the next election... or harper will be back in power... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 She likely would not except that the BQ has signed some sort of agreement - I haven't seen it - whereby he is agreeing to support this new abomination for a given period of time. Whether he has seats in cabinet or not is not important. His seats give the coallition, if we can call it that, more than enough. Although they've agreed to support the coalition, The Bloc is not actually a member of the coalition party. This means that the coalition itself, regardless of having Bloc Quebecois support, will not have more seats than the Conservatives anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 If the Liberals hold 77 seats and the NDP holds 37 seats, then the coalition's total number of seats would be 114--The Bloc, not actually part of the coalition, have merely made an agreement of support with no formal tie. The Conservative Party holds 143 seats and would therefore still have more seats in the house than the Coalition Liberal-NDP governing alliance. The GG should not actually make them the governing party for this reason. Unless the Bloc formally becomes part of the coalition, the Conservatives are still the rightful governing party. By the time you find out who signed or did not sign it will be over other than the crying. For this bold move to take place I believe that the Block have made a tacit formal aggreement..what shows that is the vigor of the attack by the opposition - they are very sure of themselves at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 3 months to the next election... or harper will be back in power... Harper will be back in power come next election. I will LMAO.. looks like i won't be voting for anyone again. Wher is the choice. Why must the conservatives be the only right wingers (which apparently include classical liberalism)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Harper will be back in power come next election.I will LMAO.. looks like i won't be voting for anyone again. Wher is the choice. Why must the conservatives be the only right wingers (which apparently include classical liberalism)? who knows how that will play out, we dont know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Last night on TV they showed that the Cons were 143 seats and that the 3 groups had 163, which may included the Independant members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Last night on TV they showed that the Cons were 143 seats and that the 3 groups had 163, which may included the Independant members. 163 with the Bloc; however, if the Bloc are not a formal member of the coalition, then I do not believe the coalition should be allowed to govern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 163 with the Bloc; however, if the Bloc are not a formal member of the coalition, then I do not believe the coalition should be allowed to govern. Never the less, they are pledged (in writing) to give the coalition support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Never the less, they are pledged (in writing) to give the coalition support.I suggest that pledging support is meaningless. Can they be sued in court for not giving them support? What happens if the coalition decides to do something that is against Quebec's interests? If they are not a part of the governing party, then the governing party, which will be the coalition LPC-NDP party, will not have more seats than the CPC. As such, the failed confidence vote should lead to an election. There should be a distinction drawn between pledging support and being a member of a coalition party. Edited December 2, 2008 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 163 with the Bloc; however, if the Bloc are not a formal member of the coalition, then I do not believe the coalition should be allowed to govern. The coalition only has to prove that it can govern with the confidence of the house. The coalition is smaller then the Conservative Caucus, but they have the written support of the BQ for 18 months. The CPC have lost the support of the BQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 The coalition only has to prove that it can govern with the confidence of the house. The coalition is smaller then the Conservative Caucus, but they have the written support of the BQ for 18 months. The CPC have lost the support of the BQ. Who gives a crap what the what the BQ thinks about anything..........they should have a say in nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johhny Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Who gives a crap what the what the BQ thinks about anything..........they should have a say in nothing! Who cares what Tory's thinks about anything......they should have a say in nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Who cares what Tory's thinks about anything......they should have a say in nothing! They are part of Canada the BQ is not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 They are part of Canada the BQ is not! Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 If the Liberals hold 77 seats and the NDP holds 37 seats, then the coalition's total number of seats would be 114--The Bloc, not actually part of the coalition, have merely made an agreement of support with no formal tie. The Conservative Party holds 143 seats and would therefore still have more seats in the house than the Coalition Liberal-NDP governing alliance. The GG should not actually make them the governing party for this reason. Unless the Bloc formally becomes part of the coalition, the Conservatives are still the rightful governing party. This is the toughest part of the marketing of the coalition. The NDP and Libs know that if the Bloc is formally part of the group, the people of Canada will never forgive them and never forget it. Sharing power and basically giving control to separatists is impossible to explain away. On the other hand, they need the Blocs support from Day one, and that the Bloc will extract a heavy price now and an even heavier price later. They don't want Canadians thinking about this at all. It is about the most cynical politics imaginable: screw the country, we want power and don';t care what it costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 The Bloc has promised to support this coalition so for all intents and purposes their numbers are included. People who are not including those numbers are knitpicking because they don't want the coalition to happen. The only thing the coalition has to be able to do...is govern....by passing legistlation. If they have the Bloc support they can do it. I don't like the Bloc but to not allow the coalition to happen just because you hate the Bloc is not a valid reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck U. Farlie Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Before this coalition stunt was announced, I was a swing voter. I have voted for the party that I thought was best to govern at that time and place... But with this circus that I believe is undemocratic... after all, if the Coalition Party thinks that Canadians want them... then take it to the polls with Dion leading and let Canadians decide. Since they want to come in through the back door, I can say with certainty that the Liberals and the NDP will never get a vote from me again - not at any level of government. I wonder how many previous swing voters are now thinking like I am? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 I wonder how many previous swing voters are now thinking like I am? Moi.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I don't like the Bloc but to not allow the coalition to happen just because you hate the Bloc is not a valid reason. It's not a matter of hating the Bloc, it's that the Bloc is a SEPARATIST party. That's kind of an important point. This coalition is not functional without the support of a Party that runs candidates in one area of the country, rather than nationally, and has an agenda of tearing this nation apart. The Liberals and NDP have sold out Canada and Canadians for power and control over our money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I wonder how many previous swing voters are now thinking like I am?Furthermore, I wonder how many Liberal supporters are feeling like the most incompetent leader they've ever had has sold their party to socialists and separatists. Dion lead the Liberals to one of the worst defeats they've had in the last century and now he's trying to sneak himself into the Prime Minister's chair by selling out the LPC.The same goes for the NDP voters that were especially adamant about how much they couldn't stand the Liberals after adscam and how the Green Tax was not right for Canada. How do they feel about the NDP getting into bed with the one party that prevents them from being official opposition election after election. And as for the Bloc... how could Duceppe align himself with the Liberals after everything that had occurred in Quebec with them. I imagine there are voters from every party that are angry at this situation. Should this happen, I'm willing to bet we'll see supporters of all the parties in Ottawa protesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 It's not a matter of hating the Bloc, it's that the Bloc is a SEPARATIST party. That's kind of an important point. This coalition is not functional without the support of a Party that runs candidates in one area of the country, rather than nationally, and has an agenda of tearing this nation apart. The Liberals and NDP have sold out Canada and Canadians for power and control over our money. Speaking of selling out Canada and Canadians for power and control, you do reaalise that conservative governments have historically been in bed with the Bloc way more than any other party, don't you? Including PM Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Speaking of selling out Canada and Canadians for power and control, you do reaalise that conservative governments have historically been in bed with the Bloc way more than any other party, don't you? Including PM Harper.The Bloc has never been a member of a government forming coalition with the Conservatives. I don't see your parallel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 The Bloc has never been a member of a government forming coalition with the Conservatives. I don't see your parallel. And they won't be now. They have simply agreed to support the coalition on confidence measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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