Coalition Government

[Oleg Bach]

Back to the coalition.

Here is the transcript....

NDP Conference call

There you go again

I have to add this from Canada Press

We could release a doctored tape of the Prime Minister having homo-errotic one way phone sex with a gay baboon from Tia Land - that should work - and it would be perfectly legal..true or not - it would be immoral but LEGAL....typical lawyer brain wave. "Immoral but legal" It was always reasonable to me that if it was unethical it was or should be illegal.

[madmax]

We could release a doctored tape of the Prime Minister having homo-errotic one way phone sex with a gay baboon from Tia Land - that should work - and it would be perfectly legal..true or not - it would be immoral but LEGAL....typical lawyer brain wave. "Immoral but legal" It was always reasonable to me that if it was unethical it was or should be illegal.

You can stop a thread dead in its tracks... You know this?

[johhny]

We could release a doctored tape of the Prime Minister having homo-errotic one way phone sex with a gay baboon from Tia Land - that should work - and it would be perfectly legal..true or not - it would be immoral but LEGAL....typical lawyer brain wave. "Immoral but legal" It was always reasonable to me that if it was unethical it was or should be illegal.

I'm sure we can find some specialist to back it up too, and when Harper punches back with slander we could take him to court and sue hehe

Fight Fire with Fire

[madmax]

I'm sure we can find some specialist to back it up too, and when Harper punches back with slander we could take him to court and sue hehe

Fight Fire with Fire

THis just in

The source in the Ignatieff camp said Mr. Dion is making all the running on coalition talks with the NDP and the Bloc Québécois, and is not consulting with leadership candidates, Mr. Ignatieff, Bob Rae or Dominic LeBlanc.

“Dion is like Frankenstein’s monster - he’s on the slab and just had a jolt of life injected into him. He’s going full tilt ahead with this coalition but his caucus isn’t going with him,” the source said. Mr. Ignatieff’s supporters are aware that a coalition would be shaky, and probably short-lived. The Conservatives opened their war-room yesterday, just in case the country is plunged into an election next week, and are already preparing to hammer the Liberals for striking a deal with the sovereigntist Bloc.

Dion is frankensteins Monster

[Oleg Bach]

There will be no coalition with the Block being part of it - You have to be a legitimate part of Canada to participate..the Block has made it clear they are not part of Canada - let them retract all pleas of seperatizm - and sign that they will NEVER mention it again - untill they are willing to fully join Canada they will not be allowed to fully participate....to form a coalition with the Block would be like forming one with Washington - America has no say! Nor does the Block!

[capricorn]

Dion is frankensteins Monster

What drives Dion? IMO he still hasn't accepted that he was not elected Prime Minister on October 14. That's why afterward he went into hiding for a week before he tendered his resignation as leader to take effect after the leadership convention. This seems to have become a personal issue with him. He convinced himself that as Liberal leader he was entitled to become Prime Minister but the electorate rebuked him. By hook or by crook he'll do everything possible to move into 24 Sussex. But it's looking like there's no solidarity within his caucus for his machinations. What a pathetic little man.

[johhny]

Must watch video almost pissed myself lauphing

[Oleg Bach]

What drives Dion? IMO he still hasn't accepted that he was not elected Prime Minister on October 14. That's why afterward he went into hiding for a week before he tendered his resignation as leader to take effect after the leadership convention. This seems to have become a personal issue with him. He convinced himself that as Liberal leader he was entitled to become Prime Minister but the electorate rebuked him. By hook or by crook he'll do everything possible to move into 24 Sussex. But it's looking like there's no solidarity within his caucus for his machinations. What a pathetic little man.

Dion is a little girl - let him have his beauty nap....I don't care what a fine acedemic he is - I want someone manly and intelligent. I once said at a dinner that I did not want to sit with acedemics. A young woman replied.."So you don't like intellectuals?" - I said..acedemics not intellectuals. If Dion had natural smarts he would not be in cold storage - he would be ALIVE!

[capricorn]

If Dion had natural smarts he would not be in cold storage - he would be ALIVE!

Cold storage is for carcasses.

[capricorn]

Must watch video almost pissed myself lauphing

Wrong thread. This should be added to your illuminating thread on Harper's blunders. Just saying.

[jdobbin]

The NDP and Bloc talk about a coalition? What planet are you living on?

This planet:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois held talks to form a coalition party well before the opposition's uproar over the government's fiscal update, CTV News has learned.

NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a "considerable period of time," reported CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife on Sunday.

What planet are you from?

The Bloc has a very specific agenda and I'm betting that the Bloc will side with the devil it knows rather than the devil it doesn't.

Just as you were so certain that Obama would be elected?

I'm also betting that Harper understands all these various calculations well.

Yes, he is a genius. All of this was a deliberate ploy to get what he wants, right? He really didn't mean to ban strikes, end pay equity and remove the public vote subsidy. He really meant to introduce a stimulus package.

Dobbin, I don't have access to polls anymore than you do, and my own insights can be wrong too.

Most people I'll warrant still don't know what is happening. Most probably have no opinion at this time.

Most Canadians do not follow politics on a day to day basis. For these people, this talk of a coalition government has the feel of student politics. For those in the thick of it, the perception is different. That's why I think some people are going to realize that they have made utter fools of themselves these past few days.

Who was the utter fool though? The Liberals for saying no or Harper for compelling that answer from the Opposition?

[jdobbin]

You have your own gutter attacks of tories in this thread, your no angel yourself.

Can't remember when I played the race card or when I had the gumption to say who was a Canadian or who was a western Canadian. Sheer gall.

That's why i put that in quotation marks, for that very purpose. That has come up on the campaign trail.

If Time magazine is talking about this potential issue, its fair game. My analogy stands. The only thing Winnipeg and Vancouver have in common with the rest of Western Canada is location.

Time to crawl up from the depths. Next you'll be saying that not all Albertans are pure blood Albertans.

[jdobbin]

Layton has proven himself to be scum, and the others. This is an undemocratic coup, nothing else.

Harper should be ashamed of himself then for thinking he could do the same thing in 2004. Think he is scum?

[scribblet]

Not the same thing but then I don't see things through rose (red ) coloured glasses this is a secret deal with the Quebec separatists to seize power at an opportune moment, it is a premeditated power grab by the separatists and the socialists partnering with the federal Liberals to take over the government without an election using the economic situation as a ruse.

Any Liberal-NDP coalition would have to make significant concessions to the Bloc Quebecois, a Quebec separatist party with no desire to protect Canada’s best interests.

Spin it any way you want but this is an undemocratic attempt by the NDP and the separatist to seize control of our government and our country. Do we live in a third world country or what?

[jdobbin]

Duceppe is the key player here and this may be an opening gambit but his statement seems categorical.

Think Duceppe might have been the angriest about the economic update since his party was right in the crosshairs.

Harper may have climbed down from that position but he has lost confidence and Harper can't be trusted not to do this agaian and again.

[johhny]

Ralph Klein speaks on Income Trusts

RAlph Klien "The only thing a politician has is his word"

Harper robs Canadian investors of $35billion

[myata]

I agree with that. The meaning of a minority government is that it has to govern while keeping confidence of the opposition. That was the mandate Canadians gave to Harper's party and he has lost it, the confidence, and the mandate, when he decided to play his little nasty games instead of heading a non partisan unified act to address the issues in the economy. Harper lost confidence of the parliment and by extension, of Canada. He has to go.

Let people who actually want to govern, rather than kick and humiliate their political opponents, have a go. Canadians will have a say in the next election.

[capricorn]

Edit to add. Harper warned something like this would happen. I'll see if I can find the link.

This is what Harper said 3 weeks before the election.

Stephen Harper is decrying the very notion of an NDP-Liberal coalition government as a violation of the will of Canadian voters.

If the Conservatives emerge from the Oct. 14 election with the most seats but not a clear majority, the next Parliament would be duty-bound to let them form a government, the prime minister said.

NDP Leader Jack Layton has mused about co-operating with the Liberals after the next election.

The Liberals have been playing down the idea of such a deal, but leader Stephane Dion left the door open just a crack Tuesday night in a campaign appearance in Vancouver.

"I'm good to work with others," Dion told about 500 students at the University of British Columbia. He quickly went on, however, to emphasize that first he'd have to win the job of prime minister on election day.

"Once we are the government I will not ignore what the Greens or the NDP offer as an asset. But we need to win this election. We cannot allow the Conservatives to win it. It would be awful. "

That didn't answer the more complex question of what would happen if Harper formed a minority government, but the three left-wing opposition parties band together to defeat him on a quick vote of confidence - such as the throne speech opening a new Parliament.

Under constitutional convention, the Governor General would almost certainly let the opposition try its hand at forming a government.

Harper, however, dismissed that scenario as anti-democratic.

"Whoever wins the election will have a mandate to govern," he told a news conference.

"I think it will be incumbent upon the opposition parties - at least for a period of time - to respect that mandate. I think they would not do so at their peril."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/CanadaV...6852076-cp.html

So Harper already knew that if he was elected, the opposition would waste no time putting together a scheme.

Could it be that he decided to play to a wider audience, i.e. the voters? Could it be that is why he boldly proposed to eliminate party subsidies, knowing it would outrage the opposition? In the process, the opposition parties look greedy in the eyes of the voters for their over the top reaction at the economic statement, which included losing the subsidy.

Of course the opposition used the guise of lack of economic stimulus as their impetus to undo him. The media was complicit to a certain extent by reporting widely on the plan to eliminate the subsidy. Then he drops the proposal which makes him look to the voters like he is the one who is compromising to make the minority work. This does not soothe the opposition and they continue their fight with the government.

The only way we'll know whether Harper's gambit worked will be the results of the next election.

[johhny]

This is what Harper said 3 weeks before the election.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/CanadaV...6852076-cp.html

So Harper already knew that if he was elected, the opposition would waste no time putting together a scheme.

Could it be that he decided to play to a wider audience, i.e. the voters? Could it be that is why he boldly proposed to eliminate party subsidies, knowing it would outrage the opposition? In the process, the opposition parties look greedy in the eyes of the voters for their over the top reaction at the economic statement, which included losing the subsidy.

Of course the opposition used the guise of lack of economic stimulus as their impetus to undo him. The media was complicit to a certain extent by reporting widely on the plan to eliminate the subsidy. Then he drops the proposal which makes him look to the voters like he is the one who is compromising to make the minority work. This does not soothe the opposition and they continue their fight with the government.

The only way we'll know whether Harper's gambit worked will be the results of the next election.

Harper's definate up to something....If he had tapes that means he knew they were forming a coalition. that means he also pre engineered a plan to set this whole thing off and create a crisis on his own accord.

pretty snakey.....

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I must disagree completely. Harper knew what he was doing when he attempted to remove political funding, he simply was mistaken in the opposition response to the matter. He has had his way for quite sometime, he played his cards often enough that there are those who sit in the Commons that have decided to call his bluff. You read yesterday that all the nonsense would be withdrawn, but that did little to provide confidence to the opposition parties.

The man had a minority government, not a majority. He could have his way as long as the opposition allowed him to. They seem to have stopped doing so, and you now see the results of that decision.

[Smallc]

CBC says the deal is now done between the 3 parties. All that's left is the decision of who will be PM. Apparently the 3 leadership candidates have decided that if it is one of then, it will be Ignatieff. Both Keith Boag and Chris Hall have said it seems there is no going back now, that almost nothing can stop this.

[August1991]

Who was the utter fool though? The Liberals for saying no or Harper for compelling that answer from the Opposition?

Dobbin, Duceppe is the key player in this process and it appears that he has decided to no longer support Harper.

Keep in mind though that this is the same Duceppe who was a 24 hour candidate for the PQ leadership.

I am honestly astonished that Duceppe appears to be willing to support Dion as PM.

[August1991]

I will simply add that I think that a federal government formed with the explicit approval of the Bloc does not augur well either for the government or for the Bloc leader. This is not why many people voted for the Bloc.

Since 1990, Canadian federal politics ressemble postwar Italian politics in which various weak coalitions existed mainly because of the Communists.

The Liberals may be poisoning themselves.

[Smallc]

I am honestly astonished that Duceppe appears to be willing to support Dion as PM.

It doesn't matter. I don't think that the Liberal caucus will.

[Slim MacSquinty]

If this is true we will be back at the polls by March, I can't see this lasting. Its a little like high school politics now.

This does not make us look like a very stable place to invest, and will do significant damage to our economy. I wish thar our universities did as good a job at teaching history as it does of teaching socialism.

A real shame, and will turn out to be egg on many faces, unfortunately we all will have to pay.