Afghanistan Wants Us Out - we insist on staying?

[bush_cheney2004]

The only problem is Canada originally interfered in Afghanistan because the US requested it.

False....Canada is in Afghanistan because of NATO's Article 5 joint protection and UN Security Council resolution. If all it took was a "US request", then Canada would also have missile defense system bases by now.

[eyeball]

Actually we were likely ordered to join. Canadian soldiers on exchange programs with the US were authorized to operate in Afghanistan in September prior to the informal invasion in October - informal given there never was any actual declaration of war.

In September 2001, after the September 11 terrorist attacks, Minister of National Defence Art Eggleton advised Governor General Adrienne Clarkson to authorize more than 100 Canadian Forces members serving on military exchange programs in the United States and other countries to participate in U.S. operations in Afghanistan.

Source

I highly doubt this invasion happened without US special forces being on the ground in Afghanistan well before Oct 7 and given the above its reasonable to conclude Canadians were ordered in too.

[bush_cheney2004]

Actually we were likely ordered to join. Canadian soldiers on exchange programs with the US were authorized to operate in Afghanistan in September prior to the informal invasion in October - informal given there never was any actual declaration of war.

Any such complicity was authorized by Canada, not "ordered" or "requested" by the United States. Own your nations actions...don't blame somebody else.

I highly doubt this invasion happened without US special forces being on the ground in Afghanistan well before Oct 7 and given the above its reasonable to conclude Canadians were ordered in too.

I am quite sure that you have absolutely zero information in this regard. You are guessing.

Minister Art Eggleton announced that Canadian forces attached to U.S. military units would participate in U.S. operations.

Edited November 28, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

Any such complicity was authorized by Canada, not "ordered" or "resquested" by the United States. Own your nations actions...don't blame somebody else.

Don't worry BC I'm well aware my government willingly kowtowed to Bush's infamous "you're either with us or with the terrorists" speech with its eyes wide shut. I'm prepared as best can be for the consequences. You're awfully sensitive for someone that has no problem owning your countries actions. That's kind of puzzling given you're as comfortable as you are in the skin you're wearing.

I am quite sure that you have absolutely zero information in this regard. You are guessing.

Pretty good guess though don't you think, especially since the US was planning on invading Afghanistan before 9/11 even happened?

[bush_cheney2004]

Don't worry BC I'm well aware my government willingly kowtowed to Bush's infamous "you're either with us or with the terrorists" speech with its eyes wide shut. I'm prepared as best can be for the consequences. You're awfully sensitive for someone that has no problem owning your countries actions. That's kind of puzzling given you're as comfortable as you are in the skin you're wearing.

No, I don't think that you are so prepared at all. Always seeking an external factor to blame does not give evidence of acceptance. It is as if you hold yourself to be independent of your government's decisions, picking and choosing alliance when it suits you. I have never run from my country's actions, while you run away from yours.

Pretty good guess though don't you think, especially since the US was planning on invading Afghanistan before 9/11 even happened?

The US has plans to invade every nation on the planet, including Canada. So when can we set up those missile defense bases?

[eyeball]

Minister Art Eggleton announced that Canadian forces attached to U.S. military units would participate in U.S. operations.

If US special forces weren't already in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 they would almost have certainly been sent in almost immediately afterwards and certainly long before the end of the month. The Wiki article seems to specifically mention some 100 soldiers that were on exchange when 9/11 happened and its therefore reasonable to conclude some of these went along. Whether they would have been requested or ordered too do so is neither here nor there really.

The point now is why we insist on staying. Mostly our vanity it seems.

[eyeball]

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Edited November 28, 2008 by eyeball

[eyeball]

No, I don't think that you are so prepared at all. Always seeking an external factor to blame does not give evidence of acceptance. It is as if you hold yourself to be independent of your government's decisions, picking and choosing alliance when it suits you. I have never run from my country's actions, while you run away from yours.

What are you talking about? I've never run away from the fact I'm deeply ashamed of my country's actions. You act as if you thought that was some sort of personal attack against you.

The US has plans to invade every nation on the planet, including Canada. So when can we set up those missile defense bases?

Pretty much whenever you want I guess, although if I had anything to say about it you'd risk a nuke sandwich if you tried.

[bush_cheney2004]

If US special forces weren't already in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 they would almost have certainly been sent in almost immediately afterwards and certainly long before the end of the month. The Wiki article seems to specifically mention some 100 soldiers that were on exchange when 9/11 happened and its therefore reasonable to conclude some of these went along. Whether they would have been requested or ordered too do so is neither here nor there really.

Canadian Forces are attached to many American units for a variety of reasons. There is nothing special about such particulars as of 9/11/01. Why you insist that they were "ordered" seems only special in this very narrow context, while military operations continued in many places. Hell, Iraq was being strangled to death since 1991, and that included Canada.

The point now is why we insist on staying. Mostly our vanity it seems.

I can't answer that.....but I can make the observation that such impotence will not be solved with American Viagra. Blaming the UK or USA only compounds the problem. Canadian "values" are on trial in Afghanistan...the peacekilling charade is over.

Edited November 28, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

Canadian Forces are attached to many American units for a variety of reasons. There is nothing special about such particulars as of 9/11/01. Why you insist that they were "ordered" seems only special in this very narrow context, while military operations continued in many places. Hell, Iraq was being strangled to death since 1991, and that included Canada.

The context isn't narrow though, Canada has been generally supportive of the West's interference throughout a huge region surrounding Afghanistan for years. I'm merely pointing out how our likely inclusion with special forces even prior to Oct 2001 are an example of how Canada just acts as if it was...following orders. No doubt these soldiers were given the chance to decline but I doubt any did, semper fi and all that stuff.

I can't answer that.....but I can make the observation that such impotence will not be solved with American Viagra.

I believe you but try telling that to the crowd that bought the silly notion that invading Afghanistan would somehow ensure Canadian leadership in world affairs would be the result.

Blaming the UK or USA only compounds the problem.

Not as fast as trying to emulate the UK or you will.

Edited November 28, 2008 by eyeball

[blueblood]

The context isn't narrow though, Canada has been generally supportive of the West's interference throughout a huge region surrounding Afghanistan for years. I'm merely pointing out how our likely inclusion with special forces even prior to Oct 2001 are an example of how Canada just acts as if it was...following orders. No doubt these soldiers were given the chance to decline but I doubt any did, semper fi and all that stuff.

I believe you but try telling that to the crowd that bought the silly notion that invading Afghanistan would somehow ensure Canadian leadership in world affairs would be the result.

Not as fast as trying to emulate the UK or you will.

It's a good thing the leaders of the UK, US, Canada, and USSR didn't drink your kool aid or we'd be speaking german. This is why cowards don't lead countries in the modern world.

[bush_cheney2004]

The context isn't narrow though, Canada has been generally supportive of the West's interference throughout a huge region surrounding Afghanistan for years. I'm merely pointing out how the example of Canadian snipers and likely inclusion with special forces even prior to Oct 2001 as an example of how Canada just acts as if it was...following orders.

Why wouldn't they follow orders at the field and company level? There would be no reason to question the mission if so assigned. It is as if you think it takes on special significance after the fact and seven years of engagement.

I believe you but try telling that to the crowd that bought the silly notion that invading Afghanistan would somehow ensure Canadian leadership in world affairs would be the result.

It's not even that complicated....PM Chretien and the Liberals jumped at the chance compared to Iraq. Fence sitting was his specialty.

Not as fast as trying to emulate the UK or you will.

That's fine by me.....stand up and be counted. Hiding behind the skirts of others will never do.

[craiger]

It's a good thing the leaders of the UK, US, Canada, and USSR didn't drink your kool aid or we'd be speaking german. This is why cowards don't lead countries in the modern world.

I have nothing against the germans I am one myself. What Hitler tried to do was eradicate the Userers the scum who would horde the money and then charge people more than it is worth. Many great leaders in before Hitler did the same so did many christians like St. thomas aquinas as they seen the Userers as a pre engineered death to society.

May I remind Jew's would not charge interst to other Jew's this sitll happens today.

Edited November 28, 2008 by craiger

[Peter F]

...and here I am all out of Raid...

[White Doors]

I have nothing against the germans I am one myself. What Hitler tried to do was eradicate the Userers the scum who would horde the money and then charge people more than it is worth. Many great leaders in before Hitler did the same so did many christians like St. thomas aquinas as they seen the Userers as a pre engineered death to society.

May I remind Jew's would not charge interst to other Jew's this sitll happens today.

Ahh... I see... So the Jews deserved it? Is that what you think?

behind on some loan payments are we?

[M.Dancer]

I have nothing against the germans I am one myself. What Hitler tried to do was eradicate the Userers the scum who would horde the money and then charge people more than it is worth. Many great leaders in before Hitler did the same so did many christians like St. thomas aquinas as they seen the Userers as a pre engineered death to society.

May I remind Jew's would not charge interst to other Jew's this sitll happens today.

I have seen such as this since I visited a barn when the farmer forgot to have it cleaned

[M.Dancer]

Actually we were likely ordered to join.

Post a source. Any brand of talking toaster will suffice...

Edited November 28, 2008 by M.Dancer

[Army Guy]

I have nothing against the germans I am one myself. What Hitler tried to do was eradicate the Userers the scum who would horde the money and then charge people more than it is worth. Many great leaders in before Hitler did the same so did many christians like St. thomas aquinas as they seen the Userers as a pre engineered death to society.

May I remind Jew's would not charge interst to other Jew's this sitll happens today.

This is wrong at so many levels. I don't think raid is going to be strong enough..

[Army Guy]

So now your saying we had Canadian soldiers in Afgan before 9-11, that the Americans preplanned the invasion.... that because we had 100 Canadian soldiers serving in the US they must have been special forces involved in a major coup of all countrys to pick it was Afganistan....rich in nothing more than POO dust.....

OK while we all have our tin foil hats on, and pulling facts out of our asses ....your right it was preplaned, the taliban had found out the Moon landings where fake, in fact the actual footage was filmed in Afganistan, the Taliban where blackmailing them for trillions of dollars....The US government agreed that the moon landing secret must be kept at all costs....so an invasion was planed, Canada agreed to invade because so many Canadian sciencetist names where attached to this vile cover-up....and well Mr Crietien uncle was one of them....it was done for the Queen, our country, and the liberal party.....

[M.Dancer]

So now your saying we had Canadian soldiers in Afgan before 9-11, that the Americans preplanned the invasion.... that because we had 100 Canadian soldiers serving in the US they must have been special forces involved in a major coup of all countrys to pick it was Afganistan....rich in nothing more than POO dust.....

OK while we all have our tin foil hats on, and pulling facts out of our asses ....your right it was preplaned, the taliban had found out the Moon landings where fake, in fact the actual footage was filmed in Afganistan, the Taliban where blackmailing them for trillions of dollars....The US government agreed that the moon landing secret must be kept at all costs....so an invasion was planed, Canada agreed to invade because so many Canadian sciencetist names where attached to this vile cover-up....and well Mr Crietien uncle was one of them....it was done for the Queen, our country, and the liberal party.....

I think Army Guy has been stealing Olegs thoughts...

[Army Guy]

Ok Oleg has been mailing out his prescriptions, and i got the pills mixed up...

I just wanted to know what it felt like to post something i pulled out of my ass, and expect everyone to believe it something eyeball has been doing in this topic......

[Army Guy]

Germany to increase it's commitment to Afgan.

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[Smallc]

We just upped our commitment with 8 armed Griffons and their support staff. We will now have more than 4000 troops deployed around thew world counting naval deployments.

[eyeball]

So now your saying we had Canadian soldiers in Afgan before 9-11, that the Americans preplanned the invasion.... that because we had 100 Canadian soldiers serving in the US they must have been special forces involved in a major coup of all countrys to pick it was Afganistan....rich in nothing more than POO dust.....

OK while we all have our tin foil hats on, and pulling facts out of our asses ....your right it was preplaned, the taliban had found out the Moon landings where fake, in fact the actual footage was filmed in Afganistan, the Taliban where blackmailing them for trillions of dollars....The US government agreed that the moon landing secret must be kept at all costs....so an invasion was planed, Canada agreed to invade because so many Canadian sciencetist names where attached to this vile cover-up....and well Mr Crietien uncle was one of them....it was done for the Queen, our country, and the liberal party.....

U.S. plans to attack Afghanistan before September 11, 2001

NBC News reported in May 2002 that a formal National Security Presidential Directive submitted two days before September 11, 2001 had outlined essentially the same war plan that the White House, the CIA and the Pentagon put into action after the Sept. 11 attacks. The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, including outlines to persuade Afghanistan’s Taliban government to turn al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden over to the United States, with provisions to use military force if it refused.[23]

According to a 2004 report by the bipartisan commission of inquiry into 9/11, on the very next day, one day before the September 11, 2001 attacks, the Bush administration agreed on a plan to oust the Taliban regime in Afghanistan by force if it refused to hand over Osama bin Laden. At that September 10 meeting of the Bush administration's top national security officials it was agreed that the Taliban would be presented with a final ultimatum to hand over Bin Laden. Failing that, covert military aid would be channelled by the U.S. to anti-Taliban groups. And, if both those options failed, "the deputies agreed that the United States would seek to overthrow the Taliban regime through more direct action."

Source

Note this Wiki article in not in dispute.

Edited November 28, 2008 by eyeball

[M.Dancer]

Note this Wiki article in not in dispute.

And it doesn't support your toaster's position either.