Anti-western, anti-jew sentiment alive and well in Canada.

[Leafless]

You still don't get it, and jobs still don't speak.

In Ontario the large majority of jobs were created for the majority English speaking residents of Ontario.

I realize you have no respect for that fact.

[CANADIEN]

How nice to see the Aboriginals teaming up with the Francphones once again in a attack against English speaking Canadians.

The "attack" (better known as a reality check in English) is "against" you, personally.

But then again this is nothing new as this is how the Metis originated.

I can see the scene like if I had been witnesing it... 1673, near Georgian Bay. Coureur des bois says to Ojibway woman "Let's scr** the English". Ojibway woman says to Coureur des bois "I love it when you talk dirty". :lol:

[CANADIEN]

In Ontario the large majority of jobs were created for the majority English speaking residents of Ontario.

A rare event, you got something right.

Here are the next steps.

1) A job doesn't speak.

2) A job belongs to the person who has the skills the employer wants

Don't worry. I know you won't get it.

[Leafless]

Come back to me on the day I no longer have to pay for English-language schools in Ontario through my taxes.

Don't pay your taxes.

Ontario will come out MUCH further ahead not duplicating services in minority French.

Then maybe we will be able to properly repair our crumbling roadways with the money saved.

Your own personal ideology includes the separation of Quebec.

Only because this is part of their nationalistic desires.

Yet you support English-speaking Canadians being more equal, and discrimination against French-speeaking Canadians. You still don't get it.

I believe you have it backwards.

It is Quebec that have more federal rights than any province in Canada with a language that is not only a federal official language but a provincial official language to boot. It also has superior Charter rights that comes complete with a federal bilingual policy.

Quebec also receives the lions share of federal subsidies and federal equalization payments out of all other provinces in Canada.

Your view of Francophones is only your own personal view as a Francophone living in Ontario and has nothing to do with the realities of French Canada as they actually are.

Edited February 13, 2009 by Leafless

[Leafless]

A rare event, you got something right.

This coming from you means zilch.

Here are the next steps.

1) A job doesn't speak.

2) A job belongs to the person who has the skills the employer wants

Don't worry. I know you won't get it.

I don't get corrupt language policies.

[CANADIEN]

It is Quebec that have more federal rights than any province in Canada with a language that is not only a federal official language

Indeed, French is an official language of Canada. So is English. You do not get it.

It also has superior Charter rights that comes complete with a federal bilingual policy.

Superior to what? The English language, which is also an official language, with EQUAL status? You do not get it.

Your view of Francophones is only your own personal view as a Francophone living in Ontario and has nothing to do with the realities of French Canada as they actually are.

The only relevant reality is that French-speaking Canadians ARE Canadians and that they will never again treated as second class Canadians. But reality, we all know by now, is somehing you will never get.

[jbg]

Just reading this article in The Star: Mosque fights for rights, but slurs Jews and West.

Now, I don't care too much about their human rights case... I hope that UPS wins as it is clearly safety orientated and not to do with denying any religious rights.

I couldn't, however, believe what this mosque's website http://www.khalidmosque.com/en/ had to say, including:

I hope what this website says is taken very seriously and that this Iman as well as many of his devout followers are under the surveillance of the RCMP and/or CSIS.

And how did this get turned into another hate-English Canada thread? (See quote below)

Indeed, French is an official language of Canada. So is English. You do not get it.

Edited February 13, 2009 by jbg

[Leafless]

You still don't get it, and jobs still don't speak.

Then you must be equally critical of politicians like Michael Ignatief who uses false and incorrect language describing Canada as "bilingual country".

Canada is a bilingual country that maintains one political system in two languages

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_print.h...15&sponsor=

We all are acutely aware countries can't speak and the large majority of Canadians are not bilingual.

nearly 83% of Canadians are "unilingual".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilingualism_in_Canada

Here is another web site utilizing improper use of the English language also resulting in a false statement.

A Bilingual Nation

Canada is a bilingual country with two official languages, English and French.

http://www.studycanada.ca/english/why_study_in_canada.htm

[Leafless]

Indeed, French is an official language of Canada. So is English. You do not get it.

So why is Quebec the recipient of more federal rights than any other province in Canada?

Superior to what? The English language, which is also an official language, with EQUAL status? You do not get it.

The province of Quebec receives more federal rights than any other province in Canada.

Charter rights provide even a higher level of socially engineered rights for Quebecers than other Canadians in a supposedly free society.

Other provinces do not have equal status compared to Quebec.

The only relevant reality is that French-speaking Canadians ARE Canadians and that they will never again treated as second class Canadians.

Their over attachment to the beliefs of the Catholic church and basic refusal to help themselves to come out of the rural era combined with their cultural beliefs is responsible for them lagging behind the ROC.

[Smallc]

So why is Quebec the recipient of more federal rights than any other province in Canada?

Because no other province has opted to use the rights. They all can, they just don't.

[Leafless]

Because no other province has opted to use the rights. They all can, they just don't.

Please provide a link to back up that statement.

The federal government for instance will not allow other provinces the right to choose and control immigration levels.

[CANADIEN]

Please provide a link to back up that statement.

The federal government for instance will not allow other provinces the right to choose and control immigration levels.

The Constitution is very clear that immigration is both a federal and provincial jurisdiction. The Immigration and Refugee Proection Act allows for federal and provincial agreements regarding immigration.

BTW, the respective balance of power of each provincial governmet vos-a-vis the federal government is separate of the issue of the rights of individual Canadian. You still have to demonstrate that equal status of two languages discriminates against speakers of one of the two languages. You can't, but you don't get it.

Edited February 14, 2009 by CANADIEN

[Smallc]

Please provide a link to back up that statement.

The federal government for instance will not allow other provinces the right to choose and control immigration levels.

Other provinces have immigration ministers and programs. I'll get back to you on the other part, but I know it's the case.

[Oleg Bach]

Please provide a link to back up that statement.

The federal government for instance will not allow other provinces the right to choose and control immigration levels.

That's wrong and intrusive. Each province is a house hold...how can a central authority tell you who and how many you can invite into your house? Each province knows what's best for them....in effect each is a state - and each state should reserve the right to decide what is good for them - not those outside of that state - primarily Ottawa - Ottawa does not have to live in Ontario - or BC - If we could go back in time - I am sure that each province that found certain immigrants problematic - they would have blocked entry....so what it Ottawa that invited crime families from the Jamacian culture to live in the north west section of Toronto? If so - thanks a lot - If we could go back in time not one would be allowed to enter - and violent gun crime etc..would be cut down by 90%...The province of British Columbia - are preturbed also that it is now the new frontier of Asian hooliganism ---- But - the policy was - bring in money to Canada and you are welcome - and we don't care if you killed or defrauded to get it - bad faith --- or should I say foolish faith.

[CANADIEN]

Other provinces have immigration ministers and programs. I'll get back to you on the other part, but I know it's the case.

Link

Each provincial-federal agreement is dddddiiferent. The one with Quebec has clauses not found in other agreements, and vice-versa.

[Smallc]

Link

Each provincial-federal agreement is dddddiiferent. The one with Quebec has clauses not found in other agreements, and vice-versa.

I know we have a nominee program and we're currently trying to get people to come here from Iceland.

You wouldn't happen to know where to find the information about the Quebec rights that are available to other provinces, would you? I know its there, but I just can't find it.

Edited February 14, 2009 by Smallc

[Oleg Bach]

I know we have a nominee program and we're currently trying to get people to come here from Iceland.

You wouldn't happen to know where to find the information about the Quebec rights that are available to other provinces, would you? I know its there, but I just can't find it.

Go to a real library. Maybe one where the laws of the land are stored --- dust off the documents and see what you find. It would be interesting to compare what Quebec agreed too as compared to Ontario and see if the policy arrangement is fair and equitable between the two --- I suspect that Quebec would have a few perks to maintain the local culture...I bet there is a clause where they refere to the Catholic Papal superemcey and the enforcement of such said this and that - damn....why did I take a puff on the kids funny cigarette --- I'm to old for this so what where we talking about --- that's right - we weren't ...Okay now that - that molucule has left that brain cell I am ready to proceed....NO ONE PROVINCE SHOULD HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN THE NEXT.....But as we know --- dem french guys got a lot of culture --- they make it up as they go along - we lack immagination and are poor bluffers.

[Leafless]

You still have to demonstrate that equal status of two languages discriminates against speakers of one of the two languages. You can't, but you don't get it.

There is nothing to prove.

The dominate English language of Canada never needed any sort of federal official designation.

Federal language legislation making English and French official proves my point and is a farce.

In reality the only language that discriminates is the French language that was given artificial language legislation in order to give that language the same status that the English language achieved ON IT'S OWN, in a FREE democratic society.

This of course also discriminates against the languages of all other subcultures since Canada is suppose be an OFFICIAL MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY.

It seems YOU DON"T GET IT.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Leafless

[Leafless]

Link

Each provincial-federal agreement is dddddiiferent. The one with Quebec has clauses not found in other agreements, and vice-versa.

Quebec's immigration policy is an 'accord' and different than immigration rights of othe provinces.

IMMIGRATION: THE CANADA-QUEBEC ACCORD

INTRODUCTION

On 5 February 1991, the Honourable Barbara McDougall, federal Minister of Employment and Immigration, and Madame Monique Gagnon-Tremblay, Quebec’s ministre des Communautés culturelles et de l’Immigration, signed the Canada-Quebec Accord Relating to Immigration and Temporary Admission of Aliens. It came into force on 1 April 1991. The agreement came on the heels of the failure of the Meech Lake Accord and largely accomplished what would have taken place in the area of immigration had Meech Lake passed. The purpose of this paper is to outline the contents of the Accord, concentrating on those features that differ from the Cullen-Couture Agreement, which it replaced.

BACKGROUND

Canada and Quebec have had immigration agreements since 1971, the 1978 Cullen-Couture Agreement being the third.(1) Under that Agreement, Quebec played a major role with regard to independent immigrants, that is, those selected on the basis of economic and social factors intended to assess their ability to adapt and to contribute to the province. For this purpose, Quebec enacted its own point system, which, while it has many of the same features as the federal system, nevertheless differs in some significant respects. Under the Accord, Quebec’s role with regard to independent immigrants continues, and its right to select all other immigrants to whom selection criteria apply now or might apply in the future is made explicit. In many ways, however, the Accord resembles the former agreement; indeed, one of its preliminary statements is that the Accord is “inspired by the Cullen-Couture Agreement” and it will be remembered that the agreement contemplated by Meech Lake was to “incorporate the principles of the Cullen-Couture agreement …” The provisions governing the delivery of reception and integration services, however, were introduced by the Accord.

OUTLINE OF THE ACCORD

A. General

The initial sections of the Accord state its contents and objectives. Section 1 sets out the four areas covered by the Accord:

the selection of persons coming permanently or temporarily to Quebec;

their admission into Canada;

their integration into Quebec society; and

the determination of levels of immigration to Quebec.

In section 2 of the Accord, an important new objective for Quebec was introduced: to preserve Quebec’s demographic weight within Canada and to integrate immigrants to the province in a manner that respects the distinct society of Quebec. This objective was to be achieved primarily by Quebec’s formal role in advising about the number of immigrants it wishes to receive, the attempt to ensure numbers of immigrants proportional to the population of the province, and Quebec’s assumption of all integration services, with a particular emphasis on providing permanent residents with the means to learn the French language.

Canada remains responsible for national standards and objectives relating to immigration, the admission of all immigrants and the admission and control of visitors. Admission in relation to immigrants means the application of the criteria relating to criminality, security and health, in addition to the administrative processing of applications and physical admission to Canada at ports of entry. Quebec is responsible for the selection, reception and integration of immigrants to Quebec. Canada commits itself not to admit any independent immigrant or refugee into Quebec who does not meet Quebec’s selection criteria (except for adjudicating refugee claims from within the country).

B. Immigration Levels (Sections 5-8)

The Canada-Quebec Accord incorporates the Meech Lake Accord commitment that Quebec should receive the same percentage of the total number of immigrants admitted to Canada as is its percentage of the Canadian population, with the right to exceed this figure by 5%, for demographic reasons. The troublesome word “guarantee” contained in the Meech Lake Accord was dropped. Instead, both parties undertake to pursue policies to achieve that goal. Although the Accord itself is silent on the matter, for Canada, such policies could include providing sufficient resources abroad to process immigration applications, particularly in Francophone countries, and setting higher processing targets for those posts.

Canada remains responsible for establishing levels of immigration annually, taking into account Quebec’s advice on the number of immigrants that it wants to receive. For the first time, a formal timetable for consultation was set out in the Accord whereby Canada informs Quebec by 30 April of each year of the options being considered with respect to future immigration levels, broken down into the various immigration classes.(2) Quebec, in turn, informs Canada before 30 June of the number of immigrants it wishes to receive in the coming year or years, also broken down into classes. Following this process, the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act requires the federal Minister to table an annual report in each House of Parliament by 1 November of each year, if Parliament is then sitting, or otherwise within 30 days of the resumption of sitting by either House. This report contains details of immigration levels for the coming year.

Another provision introduced in the Accord commits Quebec to receive, out of the total number of refugees received by Canada, a percentage at least equal to the percentage of immigrants that it has undertaken to receive.

C. Family Reunification (Sections 13-16; 21)

Family class members are not “selected” in the same sense as other immigrants. If selection criteria were desired in the future, the Canada-Quebec Accord provides that Canada would have sole responsibility for establishing them; Quebec would be responsible for the application of these criteria to immigrants destined to that province. In Annex A(3) (section 18), Canada commits itself to facilitating interviews of family class applicants where Quebec so desires, and Quebec commits itself to ensuring that the processing of those applicants will take place during the normal time period. Essentially, family class processing under the Accord continues as it did under Cullen-Couture, but with the additional commitment from Quebec that no delays will result from the interview by the province.

Family class applicants must be sponsored by a permanent resident or citizen of Canada. For such applicants destined to Quebec, that province continues, as it did under Cullen-Couture, to administer sponsorship undertakings and set the financial criteria for sponsors. According to a provision introduced by the Accord, this will be done only where such undertakings or financial criteria are required under federal legislation.

D. Refugees (Sections 17-20)

As in the past, Canada continues to be solely responsible for the processing of claims to refugee status made by people already in Canada. With regard to refugees and others in similar circumstances selected abroad, Canada determines which individuals qualify in these categories and Quebec chooses from among them the individuals it feels are best able to settle in Quebec. The Accord introduced an explicit veto on refugee admissions that was not present in Cullen-Couture (“… Canada shall not admit a refugee … who is destined to Quebec and who does not meet Quebec’s selection criteria”).

As noted above, Quebec also commits itself to taking its appropriate share of refugees and persons in similar circumstances selected abroad.

E. Visitors (Section 22)

As was the case under Cullen-Couture, Quebec’s prior consent is required for the admission to that province of three types of visitors: foreign students, temporary foreign workers, and foreign visitors entering to receive medical treatment. It should be noted that it is current federal policy and practice to seek the consent of all provinces before admitting foreign students and foreign visitors entering to receive medical treatment.

F. Reception and Integration (Sections 24-29; Annex A, Sections 24-25; Annex

As would have been the case had the Meech Lake Accord been ratified, Canada commits itself in the Canada-Quebec Accord to withdraw from the delivery of services for the reception and linguistic and cultural integration of permanent residents in Quebec, as well as from a program for the counselling and placement of immigrants. Canada provides compensation to Quebec for such services, as long as they correspond to those offered by Canada in the rest of the country and as long as all permanent residents of the province, whether they were selected by Quebec or not, can have access to them. This latter requirement reflects the fact, noted in one of the recitals at the beginning of the Accord, that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees freedom of movement to all permanent residents in Canada. Any permanent resident, therefore, may move to Quebec from any province and be eligible for services on the same basis as immigrants actually selected by Quebec.

Canada alone is responsible for services relating to citizenship, and is not constrained in any way from providing Canadian citizens with services relating to multiculturalism or from promoting multiculturalism.

Section 1 of Annex B lists the settlement and linguistic services from which Canada withdrew; it is a comprehensive list. Appendix B also set out the compensation to be paid to Quebec in the initial years of the Accord, and beyond, as follows:

$75 million for 1991-1992

$82 million for 1992-1993

$85 million for 1993-1994

$90 million for 1994-1995.(4)

Total: $332 million*

* In 1990-1991, direct program expenditures in Quebec by the federal government for the services listed in Appendix B were approximately $46.3 million. Expenditures for 1991-1992 therefore represented an increase of 61.9%.

Since 1990, compensation has been the base sum of $90 million, increasing at the same rate as government spending generally (excluding debt service payments). The amount will also increase if there are relative changes in the immigrant flow to Quebec. The amount of money paid to Quebec for settlement and language services cannot diminish under the formulas established under the Accord (although it could be changed by mutual agreement). This means that if the amount of money available for settlement generally were to decrease (or increase less than general government expenditures), Quebec would continue to be guaranteed its base sum of $90 million, as increased by the escalator clause. Similarly, even though the percentage of immigrants destined to Quebec has declined significantly since the Accord was signed (falling from some 20% in 1991 to the current 16%), the sums are guaranteed.(5)

When the share of immigrants to Quebec is less than that province’s share of the population of Canada as a whole, increases in compensation are related, in part, to increases in the number of Francophone immigrants to Quebec. This no doubt reflects the fact that language training is the most expensive aspect of integration. On the other hand, when Quebec’s share of immigrants is more than its share of the Canadian population, increases in compensation are tied, in part, to the proportional change in Quebec’s share of immigrants over the previous year.(6) It is not readily apparent why the most accurate indicator of settlement needs, the ability of an immigrant to speak French, was not used for both situations.

G. Administration of the Accord (Annex A)

As in the Cullen-Couture Agreement, the Accord established two committees to implement the Accord, the Joint Committee and the Implementation Committee. The Joint Committee is required to meet at least once a year and, among other things, approves joint directives, ensures the exchange of information and promotion of joint research projects relating to migration flow, and discusses Quebec’s sponsorship criteria. Since the introduction of the Accord, the Joint Committee’s mandate has included monitoring the speed of processing immigrants destined to Quebec, providing an opinion on any changes Canada might wish to make to the definition of classes of immigrants and the inadmissibility criteria, and studying annually the reception and integration services offered by both Canada and Quebec. The Accord states that “a representative of the Department of External Affairs and International Trade” was to be a member of the Committee, a formalization of past practice; however, this would seem to be redundant once Citizenship and Immigration Canada assumed responsibility for overseas processing.

The Implementation Committee, which must meet at least twice a year, prepares joint guidelines for the implementation of the Accord and provides a forum for discussion of any problems that arise. The Accord added to the Committee’s mandate the duty to ensure the elimination of duplication of the functions performed by the officials of both parties, and to review proposed changes in the laws of each jurisdiction.

It is interesting to note that the Accord contains a mechanism for its amendment, but not for its termination. A termination clause is a common feature of agreements such as this and was found in Cullen-Couture.(7) Section 33 of the Accord, however, merely states: “This Accord may be re-opened at the request of either party with prior notice of six months. Failing agreement on amendment, the Accord continues in force.” It may be presumed that the clause was drafted in that way because the Accord was originally intended to be entrenched in the Constitution following the passage of Meech Lake. In that form, the Accord would not have been subject to termination by either party at will, merely on the giving of notice. It remains to be seen what would happen if, at some point in the future, one party were to become dissatisfied with the Accord and no agreement could be reached.

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(1) The Cullen-Couture Agreement came into effect on 30 March 1979. It was preceded by the Lang-Cloutier (1971) and Andras-Bienvenue (1975) Agreements.

(2) The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act also requires that the Minister consult with the governments of provinces on the number of immigrants expected in each class, and their distribution in Canada taking into account regional and demographic requirements and settlement issues.

(3) The four annexes to the Accord are explicitly made part of it.

(4) This represented an annual average increase of 6.3% and was not connected to actual immigration levels.

(5) The 2004-2005 Main Estimates project that the grant to Quebec under the Accord will be $159.58 million.

(6) One of the possibly unforeseen effects of this formula is that if the number of immigrants were to decline faster in the rest of Canada than in Quebec, thus increasing Quebec’s percentage of total immigration to Canada, increased compensation would be payable to Quebec even though the actual number of immigrants to that province had declined.

(7) Part V, section 6 of the Cullen-Couture Agreement stated: “This Agreement is concluded for a period of three (3) years from the date of its signature. It may, however, be terminated at the request of either party on receipt of written notice at least three (3) months before the expiration of this period of three (3) years. This Agreement will be renewable, on its expiry, by tacit understanding, except that either party may then seek its termination by giving the other a written notice of six (6) months.”

Quebec has the status of a country.

Edited February 15, 2009 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

There is nothing to prove.

English translation - there is nothing you can prove.

The dominate English language of Canada never needed any sort of federal official designation.

Which is why you want it to be given sole official language status in Ontario. You dpn't get it.

In reality the only language that discriminates is the French language that was given artificial language legislation in order to give that language the same status that the English language achieved ON IT'S OWN, in a FREE SOCIOETY democratic society.

Your own words, in bold In English, same status is... same status. You will never get it.

In a free society, btw, each individual is FREE to choose among the languages of that country the one they'll use. Residential schools and legislation banning French from the schools are NOT freedom.

This of course also discriminates against the languages of all other subcultures since Canada is suppose be an OFFICIAL MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY.

Leafless the noble defender of multiculturalism. :lol:

It seems YOU DON"T GET IT.

I am proud to admit that I don't get the drivel you post. I only get what makes sense.

Edited February 16, 2009 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Quebec's immigration policy is an 'accord' and different than immigration rights of othe provinces.

English translation, please?

Quebec has the status of a country.

Go tell that to Duceppe. It will come as a surprise to him.

[Oleg Bach]

Quebec's immigration policy is an 'accord' and different than immigration rights of othe provinces.

Quebec has the status of a country.

Incorrect...Look at the dictionary definition of a country as compared to a nation..or nationality. Quebec easily excepted the idea of being a nation within a nation ' _ but they were not allowed to be a country within a country...a country by definition is land--- real estate...so Quebec was duped into thinking they were a country in a country - truth is they are tenants within a country - land was not granted them.

[Leafless]

English translation - there is nothing you can prove.

I have proven that dictated federal language legislation is corrupt and DISCRIMINATES. Legislated minority language policies do that automatically.

You just don't get it and never will.

Which is why you want it to be given sole official language status in Ontario.

To keep corrupt, discriminatory MINORITY language policies out of majority English speaking Ontario.

Do you actually believe Quebec is the only province in Canada worthy of a provincial official language with a main purpose to destroy the Canadian de facto English language in Quebec?

Your own words, in bold In English, same status is... same status.

To give a minority language the same linguistic status by way of dictated language policy that the English language accomplished on it's own, is outright discrimination and oppression coupled with a total lack of respect for that English cultural achievment.

In a free society, btw, each individual is FREE to choose among the languages of that country

That is the basic problem which is the French language was never FREELY propagated but artificially legislated.

Residential schools and legislation banning French from the schools are NOT freedom.

Isn't this the normal route given to obsolete languages that cannot and are unable to support and propagate themselves in a free democratic society.

Leafless the noble defender of multiculturalism.

Absolutely!

Canada ALWAYS has been multicultural country.

BTW- In a official multicultural society I also advocate public schools and none other.

I am proud to admit that I don't get the drivel you post. I only get what makes sense.

Your nonsensical, distorted, discriminatory version of equality makes NO SENSE.

[Leafless]

English translation, please?

It is in English.

But to simplify it for you, what other province has a Meech Lake type immigration accord?

Go tell that to Duceppe. It will come as a surprise to him.

Duceppe is a separatist and nothing but the official designation of Quebec as a country while still remaining partners with the ROC would satisfy him.

Reminds me of that old song---Dream-m-m-m, Dream, Dream Dream, Dream-m-m.

[Leafless]

Incorrect...Look at the dictionary definition of a country as compared to a nation..or nationality.

That definition is the same whether a country or a nation.

"A politically organized body of people under a single government"

And in reality Quebec pretty well controls federal and provincial interest in that province.

Quebec easily excepted the idea of being a nation within a nation '

No they did not.

They always wanted an explanation of what "a nation within a nation" really meant.