Obama the "Messiah"

[BC_chick]

Some posters on this forum and I have gotten into this debate and I've asked for evidence of Obama's messianic-complex, but none of them have yet provided anything other than their words and accusations. So far I had argued that Obama's detractors want to put the fear into the religious right's minds that Obama is the anti-Christ who is said to be initially received as a messiah. And it seems to have worked, just google Obama + anti-Christ and see for yourselves.

But as I watched CNN last night, I realised that it's way deeper than that. Sure, the religious right are the easiest to fool as GW showed, but there is an inexplicable world-wide admiration for Mr. Obama which goes even further than that.....

It's supposed to be a democrat year, and Clinton was leading Obama by a huge margin while he was a little known senator of only 2 years. Somehow he pulled ahead and won.

McCain thought a victory against Obama would be easier than Clinton. First, because Clinton was more centre than Obama, and second, for the obvious reason that nobody wants to mention - race. Yet Obama has gotten ahead, even if only in the polls so far, than McCain. If the polls pan out on election day, Obama also beats McCain.

Then there is the rest of the world who seem to be showing an unprecedented level of interest in this race, 80% or so of whom are rooting for Barrack Obama. Republicans are jumping ship right and left to endorse him....

This guy has beaten all the odds against him - the colour of his skin, his Muslim name, his age, his relatively short resume.... yet he has triggered an 'Obamamania' that nobody can really explain.

That's why the naysayers call him a messiah, because they can't explain it otherwise.

It's like the catty high school girls who envy the most popular girl in school, who happens to not only be beautiful, but smart, outgoing, and headed for success.

"I don't even think she's all that..."

"Who does she think she is...."

or in Obama's case...

"He's no messiah...."

It all boils down to envy. Calling him a messiah is backlash stemming from envy.

The fact that it fools the religious is just the added bonus.... I stand corrected.

[Sir Bandelot]

My view of why the world wants Obama.

Consider the alternative- John McCain, warrior, follower of the Bush doctrine. The world wants peace more than it wants war, and prefers the use of diplomacy, reaching out to find what is common, instead of isolation and rushing to war, which means the death of innocents and more wealth for the elite.

- Obama was one of the only ones, if not THE only one, to vote against the war in Iraq. It is fitting that he would now be president and fix whats left of that country.

- Clinton carries too much baggage from Bill Clinton. If she wasn't married to Bill the outcome could have been very different.

- Obama has great stage charisma. Regardless of his inexperience, he is a natural orator who gets right to the point, and takes the moral high road rather than constantly dwelling on the weakness of his opponent.

- The triumph of a black man making it to the white house. Especially, one with a muslim father and muslim name. Wherever there is absolute power there is injustice, and Obama represents a levelling of the playing field.

- People think of him as another JFK. Let us hope that he doesn't get the same treatment if elected.

These are just public perceptions, not necessarily true. The real Obama undoubtedly must have allegiance to the power system, or else he wouldn't get to where he is.

[August1991]

This guy has beaten all the odds against him - the colour of his skin, his Muslim name, his age, his relatively short resume.... yet he has triggered an 'Obamamania' that nobody can really explain.

That's why the naysayers call him a messiah, because they can't explain it otherwise.

It's like the catty high school girls who envy the most popular girl in school, who happens to not only be beautiful, but smart, outgoing, and headed for success.

Oh cripes, BC Chick. That comparison is ridiculous. How old are you?

Have you never seen a charismatic leader before?

- Obama has great stage charisma. Regardless of his inexperience, he is a natural orator who gets right to the point, and takes the moral high road rather than constantly dwelling on the weakness of his opponent.

For the fans of Obama, this largely explains his success. As they say, the American left doesn't think - it feels.

Well, I have seen this kind of charisma before and I am highly suspicious of it - particularly when it is so superficial. Juan Peron in Argentina is a typical example of a charismatic leader.

As to the reference to a Messiah, he and his own supporters who have created this image. Obama will cure the sick, feed the hungry, house the homeless. He will heal divisions, end wars, bring peace and understanding to mankind and unite us all.

Obama has promised alot and he has raised expectations. No one has really questioned how he will accomplish all this. It is typical of charismatic leaders that ordinary critical reasoning gets left by the wayside. I find Obama's rhetoric empty and glib. (John Kennedy''s speeches, in comparison, were never hackneyed.)

It is often the case that the crowd soon turns on charismatic, messianic leaders when reality intrudes and the leaders cannot deliver on their inflated promises.

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Most American voters are pragmatic and generally don't choose charismatic leaders. My own feeling is that Obama would not have gone over 50% except for the fall in the stock market and the federal bail out. This has created a rare occasion where Americans will elect an extremely left wing president.

To his credit, Obama has campaigned well to the centre during the fall campaign. He may be as surprised as anyone to discover that he's in teh White House.

[Sir Bandelot]

For the fans of Obama, this largely explains his success. As they say, the American left doesn't think - it feels.

The public is easily swayed by the cult of personality. That is not a problem particular to the "left" or "right".

[bush_cheney2004]

My view of why the world wants Obama.

Consider the alternative- John McCain, warrior, follower of the Bush doctrine. The world wants peace more than it wants war, and prefers the use of diplomacy, reaching out to find what is common, instead of isolation and rushing to war, which means the death of innocents and more wealth for the elite.

But there will still be war...maybe even more (in Pakistan). The "world" does not want peace based on the many conflicts around the globe.

- Obama was one of the only ones, if not THE only one, to vote against the war in Iraq. It is fitting that he would now be president and fix whats left of that country.

Obama was not a member of the US Senate in 2002. How could he vote against the war in Iraq? In fact, Obama has voted for continued funding of the war in Iraq.

- Clinton carries too much baggage from Bill Clinton. If she wasn't married to Bill the outcome could have been very different.

The outcome would have never existed.....Hillary would not even be on the radar.

- Obama has great stage charisma. Regardless of his inexperience, he is a natural orator who gets right to the point, and takes the moral high road rather than constantly dwelling on the weakness of his opponent.

Just like Reverend Wright?

- The triumph of a black man making it to the white house. Especially, one with a muslim father and muslim name. Wherever there is absolute power there is injustice, and Obama represents a levelling of the playing field.

Obama is not a "black man"...he is of mixed race for those who consider such things important.

- People think of him as another JFK. Let us hope that he doesn't get the same treatment if elected.

What people? He is not considered to be JFK, unless he wants to attack Cuba again.

These are just public perceptions, not necessarily true. The real Obama undoubtedly must have allegiance to the power system, or else he wouldn't get to where he is.

These are your perceptions of public perceptions.

[Sir Bandelot]

But there will still be war...maybe even more (in Pakistan). The "world" does not want peace based on the many conflicts around the globe.

Which world are you talking about? i was talking about the people around the world who are crazy about Obama, as was the original question.

Obama was not a member of the US Senate in 2002. How could he vote against the war in Iraq?

Fine, not a vote but the fact remains as a public perception- "Obama was not in the Senate at the time of the vote but opposed the war from the start."

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNew...923153320070212

And this is why he is admired by people around the world who opposed the war.

The outcome would have never existed.....Hillary would not even be on the radar.

It's a hypothetical statement, as is your supposition she wouldn't be. The problem of Bills baggage overshadowed any of her achievements. Although many US voters would welcome a female president in principle, it seems.

Just like Reverend Wright?

I've heard his name, but never read the story. I don't care for the politics of distraction.

-They all don't have a Rev. Wright somewhere in their past-

"Obama is not a "black man"...he is of mixed race for those who consider such things important."

I know, But looks black enough to me. That, plus a muslim name is plenty enough to get the dander up on many a good ol' white boy. Lets settle on the fact that, he's not a white Anglo-saxon.

"These are your perceptions of public perceptions."

Yes they are, I do not attest them to be the hard and dry truth on behalf of thousands of others. Are you just flapping for the sake of flapping? Because answering you is a burden on my typing skills.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Yes they are, I do not attest them to be the hard and dry truth on behalf of thousands of others. Are you just flapping for the sake of flapping? Because answering you is a burden on my typing skills.

Sorry, but you can't post just any 'ol bullshit like that and not expect to be challenged. This is not rabble.com.....

[Sir Bandelot]

Sorry, but you can't post just any 'ol bullshit like that and not expect to be challenged. This is not rabble.com.....

When you raise serious challenges, I will be happy to provide serious answers. No need to apologize...

[bush_cheney2004]

When you raise serious challenges, I will be happy to provide serious answers. No need to apologize...

Dude....you posted that Obama "voted" against the war in Iraq when he could not have possibly done so. Duh!

[Sir Bandelot]

Dude....you posted that Obama "voted" against the war in Iraq when he could not have possibly done so. Duh!

I also said that although he did not vote, he claims to have opposed it from the start, and that is still the public perception. You claim that he supported funding the war, and that is not the case.

Edited November 3, 2008 by Sir Bandelot

[bush_cheney2004]

I also said that although he did not vote, he claims to have opposed it from the start, and that is still the public perception.

So what....300,000,000 other Americans didn't vote for the war either using such logic......and many millions opposed the war as well. Obama is not special in that regard.

This is what you actually posted:

- Obama was one of the only ones, if not THE only one, to vote against the war in Iraq. It is fitting that he would now be president and fix whats left of that country.

You claim that he supported funding the war, and that is not the case.

You are mistaken..again:

Senator Barack Obama yesterday defended his votes on behalf of funding the Iraq war, asserting that he has always made clear that he supports funding for US troops despite his consistent opposition to the war.

"I have been very clear even as a candidate that, once we were in, that we were going to have some responsibility to make it work as best we could, and more importantly that our troops had the best resources they needed to get home safely," Obama, an Illinois Democrat, told reporters in a conference call. "So I don't think there is any contradiction there."

Obama's comments represent a direct response to attacks launched by aides to Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, who have pointed out that despite Obama's antiwar rhetoric, he has voted along with Clinton for some $300 billion in war funding since entering the Senate in 2005.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles...f_iraq_funding/

Edited November 3, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Sir Bandelot]

So what....300,000,000 other Americans didn't vote for the war either using such logic......and many millions opposed the war as well. Obama is not special in that regard.

So what... tell that to the people who think he is the messiah.

May 25 2007

"The two Democratic frontrunners in the race for the presidency, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, last night voted against a bill to fund the US war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/25/iraq.usa1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18862112/

[bush_cheney2004]

So what... tell that to the people who think he is the messiah.

Forget them, I'm having too much fun demonstrating that your posts were patently false.

Did you just make that crap up...or what?

[noahbody]

Obama isn't a Messiah; he's a maverick. The the US has always been about being number 1 and rewarding the best. Obama is saying 'what about everyone else?'

[Sir Bandelot]

Forget them, I'm having too much fun demonstrating that your posts were patently false.

Did you just make that crap up...or what?

Like I said, when you have something serious to say I might pay attention. If not you can continue with the "dude..' and the "duh!" Whatever suits you better.

[Shady]

Obama the Messiah. All hail the most merciful, Lord Barack Obama. He will save you. He will save all of us. He will save the planet.

YouTube <--- The Messiah is definitely speaking.

<--- The choir of angels.

<--- Jesus was a community organizer, just like Barack.

And of course, words from the Messiah himself:

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

Right now, there's a tear running down my cheek. Seriously.

YouTube <--- I'm almost as inspired as this lady.

[bush_cheney2004]

Like I said, when you have something serious to say I might pay attention. If not you can continue with the "dude..' and the "duh!" Whatever suits you better.

I am serious...sorry if your feelings get hurt when your false statements are directly challenged.

That's how the game is played here.

Edited November 3, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Sir Bandelot]

I am serious...sorry if your feelings get hurt when your false statements are directly challenged.

If thats how serious you get, I am not at all worried. My feelings do not get hurt... but its so patently obvious that you are just dieing to see that happen, to give you a rise. Far too obvious... and please, stop apologizing already!

You on the other hand, when directly challenged seem to ignore it when you are proven wrong, as you were in my post above about the votes on Iraq.

I will sleep well tonight, knowing that I have put you to the mat, and all you can do about it is moan or cry... eat your heart out baby

and sweet dreams!

[bush_cheney2004]

You on the other hand, when directly challenged seem to ignore it when you are proven wrong, as you were in my post above about the votes on Iraq.

Sir, you were handed your ass...twice. Stop pretending you have a clue about what Obama voted for or didn't vote for, let alone when he took office in the US Senate. That's what happens to American wannabes using Google.

[Sir Bandelot]

Sir, you were handed your ass...twice. Stop pretending you have a clue about what Obama voted for or didn't vote for, let alone when he took office in the US Senate.

No I don't think so... but you continue to ignore the facts. Obama voted against war funding the war in May 2007, proven by the link that I provided. You wrong in your own claim. No, I did not "make that crap up", unless I can post bogus news on MSNBC. Of course, when the truth hurts some people chosse to close their eyes and plug their ears, and make funny noises like "duh". That works in high school maybe, but not on me buba.

And you say that you are an American... at least I know whats going with politics on with my side of the border. To be wrong about such a thing, as a citizen, is completely unconscionable in my view.

So continue blustering and ignoring, as I know you must...

[bush_cheney2004]

....And you say that you are an American... at least I know whats going with politics on with my side of the border. To be wrong about such a thing, as a citizen, is completely unconscionable in my view.

Yes, I bet you whine about a lot of things. As a citizen, I get to vote tomorrow...and you don't.

[JerrySeinfeld]

I remember another historical figure with great "stage charisma" and gave great speeches: Adolf Hitler

You're missing it BCC. Right wing people call Obama "The Messiah" sarcastically.

Lefties believe government is "The" answer.

The term messiah eloquently and sarcastically encompasses a figure without much substance who is here to solve everone's problems if everyone would just "believe".

In other words, a perfect liberal big government "saviour".

Get it?

[GostHacked]

The term messiah eloquently and sarcastically encompasses a figure without much substance who is here to solve everone's problems if everyone would just "believe".

Get it?

Sounds like you are talkin about Sarah Palin, not Obama.

[BC_chick]

Oh cripes, BC Chick. That comparison is ridiculous. How old are you?

Have you never seen a charismatic leader before?

You're one of the people who keeps saying he has a messiah-complex, yet you won't humour me by telling me why you think as you do. Cough up some evidence and I wouldn't have to speculate....

[Shady]

Cough up some evidence and I wouldn't have to speculate....

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."