PoliticalCitizen Posted October 22, 2008 Author Report Posted October 22, 2008 It's wrong for the government to decide what people can and can't put in their own bodies. You can't compare that to murder or stealing where you're doing something to someone else. Don't forget that we live in a society where SUICIDE IS ILLEGAL. Kind of makes life feel like a penitentiary for some Quote You are what you do.
GostHacked Posted October 22, 2008 Report Posted October 22, 2008 Don't forget that we live in a society where SUICIDE IS ILLEGAL.Kind of makes life feel like a penitentiary for some I got charged with attempted suicide. Court order says I have to stay at least 50 yards away from myself. How can suicide possibly be illegal when there is no one to prosecute for the so called crime, such retardedness. If I am thinking of suicide, will Pre-Crime swoop in and nab me? If you really want to off yourself because you are in such a bad state of health, it would take the burden off everyone else. I see no problem with this. Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2008 Report Posted October 22, 2008 How can suicide possibly be illegal when.. Suicide is not illegal in Canada. Amended in 1974. Quote
Pliny Posted October 23, 2008 Report Posted October 23, 2008 I think the idea is that when you screw yourself up you become a burden to society and so in effect you are hurting other people. Of course is this only true in the case of pot etc. In the case of burdening society with your pickled liver, FAS baby or cancer riddled lungs...that's different. THEN it would be wrong for the government to interfere in your choice of poison. "The price of Liberty is personal responsibility." - Michael Cloud If someone gets themselves in trouble because of their chosen activities there will be someone else to help him. They will help him for as long as they are able and willing. They will be friends family and community. The person receiving help will be more likely to improve his behavior if he sees himself as a burden in his closest relationships. If it is government that is "helping" he feels no responsibility toward the faceless taxpayer and has less incentive to help himself. In fact it would be better if he continued his self-destructive behavior to continue to receive benefit. If government has taken responsibility for his aid then there are very few who will take responsibility. The rest of the people have turned over their responsibility of helping others to government. In fact though, human beings, being social animals are engaged in no other social activity than helping others, giving that responsibility to government relieves them of their social responsibility and they become responsible only to themselves, it is one way of creating "individualism" but I would think it more "individualization" than individualism. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Posted October 24, 2008 Suicide is not illegal in Canada. Amended in 1974. What about euthanasia? Could have saved us millions in critical care... Quote You are what you do.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 24, 2008 Author Report Posted October 24, 2008 I got charged with attempted suicide. Court order says I have to stay at least 50 yards away from myself. How can suicide possibly be illegal when there is no one to prosecute for the so called crime, such retardedness. If I am thinking of suicide, will Pre-Crime swoop in and nab me?If you really want to off yourself because you are in such a bad state of health, it would take the burden off everyone else. I see no problem with this. Did they put you in a straitjacket and tie you to a bed? Even then some people manage to chew their tongue off and choke on it or drown in blood... Quote You are what you do.
Pliny Posted October 24, 2008 Report Posted October 24, 2008 What about euthanasia? Could have saved us millions in critical care... Is that all you greedy liberals think about is money? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
guyser Posted October 24, 2008 Report Posted October 24, 2008 What about euthanasia? Could have saved us millions in critical care... Assisted suicide is illegal. But not likely convictable. Apparently there are three cases in BC whereby someone assisted in a suicide. The Crown was advised "charge if you think you can convict" , but they didnt charge since they know any jury will not convict. Sue Rodriquez.....who of us would convict someone helping her to die. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 "The price of Liberty is personal responsibility." - Michael CloudIf someone gets themselves in trouble because of their chosen activities there will be someone else to help him. They will help him for as long as they are able and willing. They will be friends family and community. The person receiving help will be more likely to improve his behavior if he sees himself as a burden in his closest relationships. If it is government that is "helping" he feels no responsibility toward the faceless taxpayer and has less incentive to help himself. In fact it would be better if he continued his self-destructive behavior to continue to receive benefit. If government has taken responsibility for his aid then there are very few who will take responsibility. The rest of the people have turned over their responsibility of helping others to government. In fact though, human beings, being social animals are engaged in no other social activity than helping others, giving that responsibility to government relieves them of their social responsibility and they become responsible only to themselves, it is one way of creating "individualism" but I would think it more "individualization" than individualism. So, if someone is sick and they're rich, they can take personal responsibility by paying for care themselves. But if they're poor, the only way to take personal responsibility is to die. Does that sum it up? Person A never works a day is his life because his parents are stinking rich. He has been educated at a private school and goes to private doctors. He lives in a 5,000 square foot house, drives a hummer, owns a yacht, and just cleared 45 acres of forest to build his own personal racetrack. Person B works but doesn't make a lot of money and so relies on government subsidies and programs like medicare. He takes public transportation and lives in a modest apartment. Which of these individuals is the real drain on society? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Drea Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) "Drain on society" means different things to different people... One side believes a person is a drain on society if his/her personal wealth is affected. The other side believes a person is a drain on society if collective resources, etc are affected. The right cares only about the individual -- the individual with money. Society (in their minds) is successful if one person succeeds and hundreds fail. The right does not believe taxes should benefit those less fortunate than themselves. The left cares about the collective -- the distribution of wealth. Society (in their minds) succeeds if all have equal opportunities to succeed as individuals. The left believes taxes should benefit those less fortunate than themselves. Booga booga scary "socialism".lol Successful societies are made up of people working individually for the good of the whole (and themselves). Unsuccessful societies are made up of people working only for their own benefit, to hell with everyone else. The USA's downward spiral into pure individualistic capitalism has made it an unsuccessful society. For BC2004 --> yes, yes, we KNOW already that Canada ALSO has rightwing freaks and CAPITALISTS. Doesn't change the fact that society in the USA is in the crapper. Canada's socialist banking policies aren't looking so bad in today's world are they? Dontcha just wish that your leader's had a more "socialist" bend? Your assbackwards country wouldn't be in such a financial mess! LOL Of course you don't. Silly me, you are a US citizen -- a rugged individualist with no care whatsoever as to what happens to the whole of society, just so long as you have your Hummer and your IPod... who cares if the kids down the street can't afford to eat today. pffft. Edited October 25, 2008 by Drea Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 ....For BC2004 --> yes, yes, we KNOW already that Canada ALSO has rightwing freaks and CAPITALISTS. Doesn't change the fact that society in the USA is in the crapper. Canada's socialist banking policies aren't looking so bad in today's world are they? Dontcha just wish that your leader's had a more "socialist" bend? Your assbackwards country wouldn't be in such a financial mess! LOL Of course you don't. Silly me, you are a US citizen -- a rugged individualist with no care whatsoever as to what happens to the whole of society, just so long as you have your Hummer and your IPod... who cares if the kids down the street can't afford to eat today. Holy Hockey Puck, Batman...I have got this one trained with pre-emptive poop in the pants. More people from Canada (with about 10% of the US population) move to America than people from the much more populous USA move to Canada. I wonder why that is.....hmmmmmm? Still searching for that great Canadian automobile make. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Drea Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) Not sure if you have memory issues.... but every single time a poster makes a comment on the USA (good, bad or indifferent), you chime in with "Canada does/did/has/hasn't/was/is TOOOOOO!" You are such a little kid! LOL So yes, I was pre-emptive in responding to your inane comment-to-follow about how Canada has rightwing freaks TOOOOOOO! LOL You just keep on keepin' on BC2004! Without you people would think the USA is a good place and damn it, we can't have that! We must continue to allow people like you a place to spew... so the world can continue to point and laugh at Usian society and what it has bred. BTW, I am really happy when rightwing Canadians leave for warmer climes in the USA. It does not break my heart to have less rightwingers here. Cheers! Edited October 25, 2008 by Drea Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 You revel in being Usian "maverick" LOL...some dogs roll in shit they find in the park too... Good for you. (good doggie!) It's nice to see you can roll in and have such pride in your own crap. Keep on keepin' on BC2004! Cheers! Ok...now go change that diaper....LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 "The price of Liberty is personal responsibility." - Michael CloudIf someone gets themselves in trouble because of their chosen activities there will be someone else to help him. They will help him for as long as they are able and willing. They will be friends family and community. Unfortunately the willingness of friends family and community cannot be relied on, it would be nice if they could be counted on but the reality is that many individuals chose to be a hindrance. In my town, people stopped the development of an assisted living facility for the mentally ill. Fear and loathing ruled and now a similar bunch are promoting the idea that we should spy on our sons, daughters, spouses, cousins, uncles, friends...members of the same community in other words and keep addicts and people who sell drugs and alcohol too, out of the community. Mental illness factors into this issue because it's closely interconnected to addiction on several levels. IMO its no co-incidence that the fear, loathing and near superstitious ignorance that surrounds mental illness matches that which is expressed towards addiction and vice. Its actually a vice of a different sort. The person receiving help will be more likely to improve his behavior if he sees himself as a burden in his closest relationships. People who need help, especially people from a rural area with a small population, will be more likely to flee the stigmatizing affects of fear and loathing they feel in their communities and families and move to the anonymity of the downtown cores of big cities. If it is government that is "helping" he feels no responsibility toward the faceless taxpayer and has less incentive to help himself. In fact it would be better if he continued his self-destructive behavior to continue to receive benefit. If government has taken responsibility for his aid then there are very few who will take responsibility. The rest of the people have turned over their responsibility of helping others to government. In fact though, human beings, being social animals are engaged in no other social activity than helping others, giving that responsibility to government relieves them of their social responsibility and they become responsible only to themselves, it is one way of creating "individualism" but I would think it more "individualization" than individualism. What about the responsibility of individuals to govern themselves appropriately? It seems Libertarians place all the onus for responsible governance on governments. It seems individuals are always getting a free pass on this. The issue of legalizing the use of things like pot should be one thing, and the issue of helping troubled people is another. Unfortunately many individuals have chosen to not differentiate between use and abuse of certain substances, to many its all abuse and anyone that uses them is an addict. Many of these individuals don't take any responsibility for the ethical dilemma posed by the prohibition of some vices and the enabling of others. They leave responsibility for this to the government. The only reason the government always does such a shitty job is because it represents a constituency that has chosen to be ignorant and let itself be guided by fear and loathing as opposed to reason and humanity. Of course it doesn't help when politicians get into the act and exploit fear and loathing to get themselves elected. A government, like a drug or an ethic, is just a thing. Its what people do with them that counts. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Mr.Canada Posted October 25, 2008 Report Posted October 25, 2008 I'm all for it. Legalize them both and tax them heavily. Make sure the pot is of a good quantity and test the whores regularly so they don't kill the innocent Canadian people. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Huston Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 Should our federal government impose tougher sentences on criminals or reduce their number by taking away and taxing their business? You do something the takes away freedom of others, you should be punished. Should I have to seek contact with the "criminals" when attempting to buy pot or E ? They would not be criminals if it was not illegal. Should I be considered a criminal for possessing several doses of either? No. You should be a criminal if it results in things like second hand smoke or traffics accidents under the influences, murder and any other acts that harms others. Or should my government protect me as a consumer by regulating, inspecting and taxing the producers of both? Regulating and inspecting, yes. Taxes should only be imposed if the drug is directly link to hazards towrds others. A tabacco tax, alcohol tax, carbon tax, gas tax, tec are ligitimate forms of taxation. If one takes pot, I have no clue what harm it could impose on others. If it is made abundantly clear, then a tax should be imposed. Sales taxes and incomes taxes are illigitimate, and stagnate free-trade. Should a prostitute be afraid to go to the police? Or should the state tax and protect her? Regulations should be imposed so legal action can be done. Pimps (although, why should a prostitute have one.. oh yes, because they are "supposed" to protect the prostitute), and clients must agree to the contract, if the contract is breached, then they are liable. Contracts are for everything. Dating is a contract, one nights stands are contracts... as long as it is clear it is a one night stand. Those are pretty basic questions. If we want to be a free society we should not ban what isn't dangerous. Agreed. Instead of spending money on marijuana, MDMA and massage parlors raids and imprisoning the perpetrators we could make money by taxing these industries. We should not be making any money on those industries, unless you are a part of them. that is illigetimate taxation. Not to mention the influx of tourists - Canada could become the new Holland As long as it remains free. These trades are quite sustainable that they dont need government support (like the auto-industry), only legal support. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 No wonder the nation is falling apart - we are in a crisis and all you want to do is get stoned? As you get high in your mums basement - immigrants in good health and with clear minds are preparing your place in society - cleaning their toilets...I guess you can smoke a dube and the poo will not smell as bad. Quote
Huston Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 No wonder the nation is falling apart - we are in a crisis and all you want to do is get stoned? As you get high in your mums basement - immigrants in good health and with clear minds are preparing your place in society - cleaning their toilets...I guess you can smoke a dube and the poo will not smell as bad. You know, personally, the moment I started using pot, I became a lot more productive.. so project all you want. If pot makes you lazy, I'm so sorry. In fact, weed made it more enjoyable learning about this financial crisis. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 You know, personally, the moment I started using pot, I became a lot more productive.. so project all you want. If pot makes you lazy, I'm so sorry. In fact, weed made it more enjoyable learning about this financial crisis. Hate to break it to you but the old fashioned hash smokers were more in tune - the new high grade pot makes you dependant and delluded - get stoned on your own time buddy - there are people working here! Don't tell me your brain works better while intoxicated? It does not...a clear healthy well hydrated mind is the best - maybe you should use the power of love and a woman to maintain good health and attitude - nothing will enlighten you more than a good nap after sex - get a girl...and butt out. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 You know, personally, the moment I started using pot, I became a lot more productive.. so project all you want. If pot makes you lazy, I'm so sorry. In fact, weed made it more enjoyable learning about this financial crisis. Proof in point - we are not talking about a "finacial crisis" - The theme today is about a constitutional crisis - see ---you are in dream land. Quote
Huston Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 Proof in point - we are not talking about a "finacial crisis" - The theme today is about a constitutional crisis - see ---you are in dream land. Semantics, or strawman. YOU need to provide better context, we are talking about majiuana and prostitution. Stay on topic. Quote
Huston Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 Hate to break it to you but the old fashioned hash smokers were more in tune - the new high grade pot makes you dependant and delluded - get stoned on your own time buddy - there are people working here! WTF are you talking about? Dependant? On what? Delluded? About what? Don't tell me your brain works better while intoxicated? It does not...a clear healthy well hydrated mind is the best - maybe you should use the power of love and a woman to maintain good health and attitude - nothing will enlighten you more than a good nap after sex - get a girl...and butt out. Whatever works for you. Don't get all socialist and forcing your righteous attitude on others. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 Semantics, or strawman. YOU need to provide better context, we are talking about majiuana and prostitution. Stay on topic. Nope - He said "finacial crisis" and the theme of the day was consitutional matters regarding this up and coming possible coalition government. Plus your little friend mentioned on how much fun and easier it was for him to learn while high on pot. Terms like strawman will not diswade me from my observation that the pot smoker is out in left field - and YOU - will attone! ...just kidding - I don't hate pot smokers - I smoked for 35 years....the stuff does not enhance life - It puts you behind. Straight is more powerful than stoned..it's science buddy...sorry - so don't hate me because I have lost interest in the stuff. Unless I have had a few ounces of gin to buffer the gloomy effects... In the over few - If I had never discovered the stuff and my son never discovered the stuff - we would be further ahead and happier and may have achieved something more than feeling odd. Quote
Huston Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Nope - He said "finacial crisis" and the theme of the day was consitutional matters regarding this up and coming possible coalition government. Plus your little friend mentioned on how much fun and easier it was for him to learn while high on pot. Little friend? Terms like strawman will not diswade me from my observation that the pot smoker is out in left field - and YOU - will attone! ...just kidding - I don't hate pot smokers - I smoked for 35 years....the stuff does not enhance life - It puts you behind. It puts YOU behind. Straight is more powerful than stoned..it's science buddy...sorry - so don't hate me because I have lost interest in the stuff. What science? Hate? Another strawman? I think this is you projecting. Unless I have had a few ounces of gin to buffer the gloomy effects... In the over few - If I had never discovered the stuff and my son never discovered the stuff - we would be further ahead and happier and may have achieved something more than feeling odd. Sure.. and you know this how? You only live once, so who can you test this? Edited December 2, 2008 by Huston Quote
Oleg Bach Posted December 2, 2008 Report Posted December 2, 2008 Oh go smoke and shut up - just don't smoke 24 7 and make it a way of life. My point is that there is a time to party and a time to be serious. I have a wife that is a chronic smoker - and I don't have anyone to talk to...she gets stupid. At least she is getting acupunture treatment to remove here pot fixation...like I said - not all the time - just like alcohol and other substance...not all the time - I am 58 - and have done all the booze and dope on the planet and I survived in good health ----------------why? -----------------BECAUSE - I took time to take a break and heal and actually loved reality in it's plain form - and I did not do it ALL THE TIME _ APPARENTLY YOU DO> Quote
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