Soviet Story

[Kaisa]

Russian ambassador to NATO Rogozin made a political campaign video about cleaning Moscow from trash. Great, right? Wrong! WHO do you think trash is?

When I provided a youtube link in Georgian to Political Citizen (although you could hear Russian and English as well) he claimed that he did not understand what the video was about because he did not speak Georgian. I promised that I would get the full movie in English and I did.

When you watch this movie Rogozin and his video (see it in the last part) will seem like a child's play compared to other shocking crimes. I suspect that we will hear more about Ukrainian genocide by soviets - about how they starved 7,000,000 Ukrainians to death. The first 10 minutes of the movie is about this tragedy.

Don't miss the opportunity to watch the movie. BTW It is banned in Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHg60T_og4U...7E6&index=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6mAq-EZEak...7E6&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9TdtVeiBrI...7E6&index=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-i89tmKIyI...7E6&index=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6cA3BUTLmE...7E6&index=4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNPAjOSzchI...7E6&index=5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl8lGo8Z494...7E6&index=6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgzxIo5zjis...7E6&index=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adGpINMlajw...7E6&index=8

[Brezhnev]

Well! Hold my video answer!

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=5idQm8YyJs4

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=xt99E6zxlq0

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=fQDAXhIdP3g

Where the American freedom of speech? Where democracy?

[PoliticalCitizen]

Russian ambassador to NATO Rogozin made a political campaign video about cleaning Moscow from trash. Great, right? Wrong! WHO do you think trash is?

When I provided a youtube link in Georgian to Political Citizen (although you could hear Russian and English as well) he claimed that he did not understand what the video was about because he did not speak Georgian. I promised that I would get the full movie in English and I did.

When you watch this movie Rogozin and his video (see it in the last part) will seem like a child's play compared to other shocking crimes. I suspect that we will hear more about Ukrainian genocide by soviets - about how they starved 7,000,000 Ukrainians to death. The first 10 minutes of the movie is about this tragedy.

Don't miss the opportunity to watch the movie. BTW It is banned in Russia.

Kaisa,

I understand your Russophobic zeal but unfortunately for you all these videos have been taken off by Youtube:

"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation."

This most likely happened because they were promoting HATE. Why do you try to promote hate?

Russians don't hate Georgians, they hope for good relations again (with real Georgian government, not a US puppet).

Don't forget WHO starved the Ukrainians - Uncle Joe who happens to be your compatriot...

[PoliticalCitizen]

Well! Hold my video answer!

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=5idQm8YyJs4

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=xt99E6zxlq0

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=fQDAXhIdP3g

Where the American freedom of speech? Where democracy?

LOL mister B!

Department of the Dark Side - that was hillarious

[Kaisa]

Kaisa,

I understand your Russophobic zeal but unfortunately for you all these videos have been taken off by Youtube:

"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation."

This most likely happened because they were promoting HATE. Why do you try to promote hate?

Russians don't hate Georgians, they hope for good relations again (with real Georgian government, not a US puppet).

Don't forget WHO starved the Ukrainians - Uncle Joe who happens to be your compatriot...

The movie does not promote hate, it tells the real Soviet (and Russian) story. I guess youtube feels it is disturbing to watch most of the scenes, I can understand that, it was difficult to watch for me too.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=41808601BA1647E6

The videos are removed but I understand the other links (Torrent, Rapidshare) still work. So I guess unfortunately for you if people are really interested they will watch it anyways.

As I already told you or some other Russian guy The Uncle Joe was Georgianized Ossetian who always referred himself to be Russian (and changed his name to sound Russian). However this is not important anyways, he was a monster whether Georgian or Martian. But guess what, the movie is not called Stalin story, it is called The Soviet story.

I met many Russians or "non-Russians" like you who told me something like this: "there was a great country, everyone loved and respected each other, there was no hatred, we had everything, no unemployment, bla bla bla". I wonder if they realize that some people value freedom more than full stomachs. I think that if they watched this movie and realized what was the base of the country they would be shocked.

By the way, I also told you that I did not hate Russians however I am sure you will accuse me of being Russophobic no matter what. So, I will just ignore that.

[PoliticalCitizen]

The movie does not promote hate, it tells the real Soviet (and Russian) story. I guess youtube feels it is disturbing to watch most of the scenes, I can understand that, it was difficult to watch for me too.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=41808601BA1647E6

The videos are removed but I understand the other links (Torrent, Rapidshare) still work. So I guess unfortunately for you if people are really interested they will watch it anyways.

As I already told you or some other Russian guy The Uncle Joe was Georgianized Ossetian who always referred himself to be Russian (and changed his name to sound Russian). However this is not important anyways, he was a monster whether Georgian or Martian. But guess what, the movie is not called Stalin story, it is called The Soviet story.

I met many Russians or "non-Russians" like you who told me something like this: "there was a great country, everyone loved and respected each other, there was no hatred, we had everything, no unemployment, bla bla bla". I wonder if they realize that some people value freedom more than full stomachs. I think that if they watched this movie and realized what was the base of the country they would be shocked.

By the way, I also told you that I did not hate Russians however I am sure you will accuse me of being Russophobic no matter what. So, I will just ignore that.

You cannot deny that videos such as the one you've promoted were purposely made to educate HATE.

There are many historical brutalities that all countries commited - but that doesn't mean you should hate them for that. You should only judge a country by what it does in the present or recent past. USA was the last civilized country to have slavery, but today the Afro-Americans dictate their culture. Turkey slaughtered 1 Million Armenians but today they're afraid to touch the Kurds. USSR starved its people but today Russia does everything possible to encourage people to have children.

Freedom is only good when it's civilized. If it's freedom for the Georgian army to slaughter ossetians - strict control is better.

I can accept that Putin / Medvedev government restricts rights and freedoms of Russians. At the same time this restriction is nowhere near what we had in USSR or what China has today.

And Russia did not starve Ukraine - USSR did.

Edited September 26, 2008 by PoliticalCitizen

[August1991]

You cannot deny that videos such as the one you've promoted were purposely made to educate HATE.

...

Freedom is only good when it's civilized....

Define "hate" and define "civilized". Or, who should have the power to define these terms?

[PoliticalCitizen]

Define "hate" and define "civilized". Or, who should have the power to define these terms?

Here's a definition for you: Hatred = inability to accept; Civilized = non-violent.

Each man defines for himself, but at a very general level definitions are same everywhere.

[August1991]

Here's a definition for you: Hatred = inability to accept; Civilized = non-violent.

So, if I "don't accept" that Bush was legitimately elected in 2000, I am guilty of "hatred". If I am unable to accept the official version of 9/11, I am guilty of "hatred". And if I question who placed the horrific bombs in Moscow apartment buildings, what am I?

Civilized = non-violent

Huh? That's simplistic. Even a civilized State uses violence when it arrests and imprisons common criminals. RCMP officers have guns and authorized to use them. As Trudeau famously said when asked about how far he would go in putting the State's guns in the street, "Just watch me."

Political Citizen, you seem to have missed my second question: who should define these terms?

In Russia, it appears to be the president who decides everything. And Russians call this state of affairs "stability" - putting all decisions in the hands of one man. No society that decides its affairs in such a manner can possibly succeed. It's far too risky. It's like going to a casino and putting one's life savings on a single coin toss. IMV, most Russians are pre-Enlightenment. They are superstitious like too many people in the Third World.

[PoliticalCitizen]

So, if I "don't accept" that Bush was legitimately elected in 2000, I am guilty of "hatred". If I am unable to accept the official version of 9/11, I am guilty of "hatred". And if I question who placed the horrific bombs in Moscow apartment buildings, what am I?

Huh? That's simplistic. Even a civilized State uses violence when it arrests and imprisons common criminals. RCMP officers have guns and authorized to use them. As Trudeau famously said when asked about how far he would go in putting the State's guns in the street, "Just watch me."

For a better definition check google the 2, although my gut feeling tells me you know what they mean already (somehow)

Political Citizen, you seem to have missed my second question: who should define these terms?

In Russia, it appears to be the president who decides everything. And Russians call this state of affairs "stability" - putting all decisions in the hands of one man. No society that decides its affairs in such a manner can possibly succeed. It's far too risky. It's like going to a casino and putting one's life savings on a single coin toss. IMV, most Russians are pre-Enlightenment. They are superstitious like too many people in the Third World.

I answered your question but you may have chosen not to read the answer or not to acknowledge the fact of reading it.

To your accusation of the Russian government I can only tell you this: US government succeeded in brainwashing the whole Western world so well that it probalby bested every propaganda machine ever existed - I have to give it credit for that. It is especially frightening to communicate with people who appear to be quite educated and mentally sophisticated that believe the crap they're fed. I guess the trick is if you repeat a lie for many years it becomes truth in people's minds...

I do not think a 9 / 11 would fly in Russia. People like to THINK more there, I guess...

[Rue]

There are many historical brutalities that all countries commited - but that doesn't mean you should hate them for that. You should only judge a country by what it does in the present or recent past

I can accept that Putin / Medvedev government restricts rights and freedoms of Russians. At the same time this restriction is nowhere near what we had in USSR or what China has today.

And Russia did not starve Ukraine - USSR did.

My problem with your comment that we should only Judge a country by what it does in the present or recent past is that it assumes collective behaviour can magically be explained and understood by drawing a politically convenient and arbitrary time line.

I suspect the reason you would prefer to draw that arbitrary time line for how far back we are allowed to go to consider present behaviour comes from political expedience, i.e., it makes it easier for you to ignore certain things.

An understanding of who we are and why we do what we do would be in my opinion tragically flawed if we limited our consideration to such an artificial and limited perspective. It fuels revisionism and people seeking to avoid responsibility.

Been there. Heard that. As a Jew being told by someone like you I should forget what happened to my family in Russia because it may have happened prior to 1980 is bullshit. Its who I am and why I am.

Go tell aboriginal people in Canada they should ignore their past and all the treaties they signed that were breached.

See for some of us our memories are what make us who we are and why we choose to be who we are. It reminds us of what we do not want to be and should not be as well.

History doesn't end because it might seem inconvenient to you. Life is not that easy and sanitary. Sometimes to resolve conflicts we must dig through many layers of learned behaviour that took centuries to develop.

You seem to be advocating denial.

Thanks. Not interested.

I also suspect you may be confusing people who use past memories to refuse to move on to do positive and constructive things with the need to remember the past. The fact that some people use their memories or past to justify violence or ignorance or hatred to me is a seperate issue.

I would totally agree with you that using history as justification to hate and remain angry is bull. So I agree but I don't agree too.

Edited September 29, 2008 by Rue

[PoliticalCitizen]

You seem to be advocating denial.

Thanks. Not interested.

Well then everyone should treat USA as a nation of aboriginal-murdering slavemasters.

[August1991]

To your accusation of the Russian government I can only tell you this: US government succeeded in brainwashing the whole Western world so well that it probalby bested every propaganda machine ever existed - I have to give it credit for that. It is especially frightening to communicate with people who appear to be quite educated and mentally sophisticated that believe the crap they're fed. I guess the trick is if you repeat a lie for many years it becomes truth in people's minds...

Brainwashed? People in the West have their own way of deciding things.

We westerners are a product of the Enlightenment. We are Voltaire's bastards - his offspring.

Edited November 23, 2008 by August1991

[Argus]

Well then everyone should treat USA as a nation of aboriginal-murdering slavemasters.

The thing is, the Americans are no longer aboriginal murdering slavemasters.

The Russians still ARE a brutish, backward peasantry ruled by murdering thugs.

[Mr.Canada]

The thing is, the Americans are no longer aboriginal murdering slavemasters.

The Russians still ARE a brutish, backward peasantry ruled by murdering thugs.

At least they stand for something. Canada stands for nothing s what it was intended to be has been stripped from us and diluted to the point of irrelevance.

[M.Dancer]

At least they stand for something. Canada stands for nothing s what it was intended to be has been stripped from us and diluted to the point of irrelevance.

Quickly, what was Canada intended to be....?

[Smallc]

Mr.Canada (what a terrible name to have given how you seem to feel), I have to ask, are you for real?

[myata]

Well then everyone should treat USA as a nation of aboriginal-murdering slavemasters.

No, you still aren't getting it. See, condemnations and accusations, they best work selectively. I.e to "our", good people - forgiveness and forgetfulness (for past or even present - take Georgia's recent little freedom adventure; or Iraq; or Lebanon; and so on and on and on), how would one say it, without hurting feelings? To "them": strong and relentless freedom loving condemnation. For example: most certainly, Russia can and should be strongly condemned for mistreating Jews 100 years back; but saying a word is about Israel's mistreatment of Arabs here and now is a big no-no. See, a "democracy" (however we choose to define it) simply cannot do wrong.

[Jerry Galinda]

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=94eV8kkFI3A&NR=1

Любэ -" Не валяй дурака, Америка"

America - be careful.