Lame Conservative Attack Adds

[Moonbox]

While I agree with most Harper's policies and will likely be voting for him in the next election, I'm surprised nobody has commented on how pathetic his new attack ads are. The casino-esque adds witht the slots and the dice etc are so lame they made me cringe. That's the sort of garbage dumb kids in my first year of undergrad BBA years ago would have come up with and got a D for.

"Dion is a risk...what else is a risk?....ummm....GAMBLING! YEah! Brilliant! Slots! Awesome...let's keep this going! Dice! yeah great! Cheesy narrator! GooD!"

Wait...no...I think maybe most Canadians are astute enough to smell the cheese on this one. Personally I'm dissapointed. These ads are ALMOST as bad as the Liberal clapping ad they used to introduce the Green Shaft.

[Ontario Loyalist]

Yeah, they are lame and I think they do hom more harm than good.

[Joesixpack5]

Harper bashes away, while refusing to accept any responsibility for plunging Canada towards debt (taking away the huge federal surplus) with his Bush-style policies. Energy costs WAY up (Harper is strongly tied to the Alberta oil patch). Food costs WAY up. Inflation up. Bankruptcies up. Housing prices falling. Underregulated/underinspected meat factories. He copies Republican dogma with his corporate welfare and increased military spending, while cutting social services. Only a Fascist attempts to grow the military-industrial complex at the expense of the bottom 2/3rds of society.

ALL Neo-Cons have Fascist tendencies.

They faithfully believe that if you just let the greedy corporate elites pursue rampant greed impulse, while greatly increasing military funding, you are serving the general public.

Actually, the ultra-right-wing Neo-Con twits are merely serving the military and corporate elites.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Actually, the ultra-right-wing Neo-Con twits are merely serving the military and corporate elites.

.....and the sixpack ring was invented in the United States by ITW Hi-Cone.

[Riverwind]

Food costs WAY up. Inflation up. Bankruptcies up. Housing prices falling.

In past elections most opposition parties could promise to do better. However, the main opposition this time around has hitched itself to the GW bandwagon which means they can only promise even higher prices, more bankruptcies and lower housing prices. The net result is Harper can argue that he is the only party that can be trusted to put the economy first. Edited September 16, 2008 by Riverwind

[Joesixpack5]

Harper's Bush style economic policies (growing the corporations and military at the expense of the general public) has stagnated the Canadian economy.

Like Bush, like Harper. Blind, rampaging Neo-Con maniacs/morons.

[bush_cheney2004]

Harper's Bush style economic policies (growing the corporations and military at the expense of the general public) has stagnated the Canadian economy.

That's what happens when you depend on foreign capital, foreign corporations, and foreign markets.

Like Bush, like Harper. Blind, rampaging Neo-Con maniacs/morons.

Sorry, but PET is dead.

[Ontario Loyalist]

That's what happens when you depend on foreign capital, foreign corporations, and foreign markets.

Sorry, but PET is dead.

That's right, the USA is a foreign as they get. Canada needs to solidify its relationship with Europe. Perhaps even change its currency to the Euro and join the EU. Before it;s too late.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's right, the USA is a foreign as they get. Canada needs to solidify its relationship with Europe. Perhaps even change its currency to the Euro and join the EU. Before it;s too late.

Talk is cheap....who's your Daddy?

[Ontario Loyalist]

Talk is cheap....who's your Daddy?

Thankfully not you...

[bush_cheney2004]

Thankfully not you...

Sorry...it's a common figure of speech. Canada has done little to divorce or diversify its economy from dependence on the American corporatists, capital, and market.

Ontario is the worst offender.....

[Joesixpack5]

That's right, the USA is a foreign as they get. Canada needs to solidify its relationship with Europe. Perhaps even change its currency to the Euro and join the EU. Before it;s too late.

Bush & Cheney are blind to the facts on the ground. The Euro has been strong over the last few years.

It's not coincidence that in the western developed democratic 1st world, the country with the farthest right-wing authoritarian economic policies had induced a market atmosphere prone to crisis and collapse - helping the CEOs (Lehman Brothers CEO got a 22 million dollar bonus cheque recently and declared the market instability over. What an idiot), while decimating the poor and middle class.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Joesixpack5

[scribblet]

Harper's Bush style economic policies (growing the corporations and military at the expense of the general public) has stagnated the Canadian economy.

Like Bush, like Harper. Blind, rampaging Neo-Con maniacs/morons.

ROTFLMAO sorry guys, I wasn't going to bother - but really, what else can you do :lol:

[Moonbox]

Well now that the thread is derailed by Joe again...

[M.Dancer]

While I agree with most Harper's policies and will likely be voting for him in the next election, I'm surprised nobody has commented on how pathetic his new attack ads are. The casino-esque adds witht the slots and the dice etc are so lame they made me cringe. That's the sort of garbage dumb kids in my first year of undergrad BBA years ago would have come up with and got a D for.

"Dion is a risk...what else is a risk?....ummm....GAMBLING! YEah! Brilliant! Slots! Awesome...let's keep this going! Dice! yeah great! Cheesy narrator! GooD!"

I liked the ad. The rolling the dice is graphic and metaphorical and the message is clear. I think they can be easily related to by almost everyone. The liberal ad in contrast pushing the Green thingy leaves the viewer begging the question. If the cost of polluting is passed on to industry, who do they pass it on to?

[M.Dancer]

Sorry...it's a common figure of speech. Canada has done little to divorce or diversify its economy from dependence on the American corporatists, capital, and market.

Ontario is the worst offender.....

Why would we? While it is desirable to open up new markets, there is no market as desirable as the US market. Ease of communication, transport and size make it the number one trade opportunity even for Europeans. Might be why Braun, Adidas, Perrier, Bayer, BMG, Audi, Ikea all want to play there....

[Moonbox]

I liked the ad. The rolling the dice is graphic and metaphorical and the message is clear. I think they can be easily related to by almost everyone. The liberal ad in contrast pushing the Green thingy leaves the viewer begging the question. If the cost of polluting is passed on to industry, who do they pass it on to?

I didn't mind the rolling dice at the casino table, but the ones with the slots machines were retarded and I could have come up with something better myself in like 30 seconds. It made the conservatives look like a cheap gimmic party out of good ideas.

[Charles Anthony]

Well now that the thread is derailed by Joe again...

...everybody should try to stay on topic and avoid insults or personal attacks.

If you encounter somebody using insults, please report it and then ignore that member.

Ch. A.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why would we? While it is desirable to open up new markets, there is no market as desirable as the US market. Ease of communication, transport and size make it the number one trade opportunity even for Europeans. Might be why Braun, Adidas, Perrier, Bayer, BMG, Audi, Ikea all want to play there....

Why..it's because...obviously...because....they are...Americans! It's hard to maintain smug righteousness while doing 85% of export business with the DEVIL.

[eyeball]

I liked the ad. The rolling the dice is graphic and metaphorical and the message is clear. I think they can be easily related to by almost everyone. The liberal ad in contrast pushing the Green thingy leaves the viewer begging the question. If the cost of polluting is passed on to industry, who do they pass it on to?

The CRA, who in turn passes back an income tax cut.

[M.Dancer]

The CRA, who in turn passes back an income tax cut.

And you believe that? How does a person who already pays nothing or next to nothing in taxes get their money back? And this proposed tax cut, will it be as <sarcasm>revenue neutral</sarcasm> as the GST?

[eyeball]

And you believe that? How does a person who already pays nothing or next to nothing in taxes get their money back? And this proposed tax cut, will it be as <sarcasm>revenue neutral</sarcasm> as the GST?

Its not a matter of getting something back. The government will cut your income tax so you can afford the carbon tax. This is why its called tax shifting and its why many economists, including some who work for the government, say it won't harm the economy.

[jdobbin]

In past elections most opposition parties could promise to do better. However, the main opposition this time around has hitched itself to the GW bandwagon which means they can only promise even higher prices, more bankruptcies and lower housing prices. The net result is Harper can argue that he is the only party that can be trusted to put the economy first.

And some Conservative supporters are saying that Harper is either lying about implementing his own greenhouse gas plan or that somehow the costs will be lower while offering no evidence of the sort at all. It is just partisan commitment to the Tories or some kind of wish fulfillment.

According to those who have studied the Harper plan, it will hit gas and diesel far harder than the Liberal plan. It will cost $8 to $9 billion a year which 0.5% of GDP. This is better than the Liberal plan? How? What evidence does a Conservative party supporter have that the costs will be lower or that Harper will defer the plan?

[M.Dancer]

Its not a matter of getting something back. The government will cut your income tax so you can afford the carbon tax. This is why its called tax shifting and its why many economists, including some who work for the government, say it won't harm the economy.

It isn't a question whether it will harm the economy to me personally, it's a question of how much more will I pay. How will the government know how much more I will pay for everything, and make no mistake, everything will become more expensive. The GST was supposed to be tax neutral too....

On top of that, if thetax burden is shifted to consummers, who are then in trun supposed compensated....what point is there? What conceivable benefit will there be for a manfacturer to reduce carbon when for him, it is absolutley tax neutral. While we are at it, with the prices of everything going up because of taxes, how much less competitive will Canadians be against imports which won't be taxed.

This is all stick no carrot.

[Moonbox]

Its not a matter of getting something back. The government will cut your income tax so you can afford the carbon tax. This is why its called tax shifting and its why many economists, including some who work for the government, say it won't harm the economy.

Go to the Libera's Green Shift website. It has a calculator right there telling you how much you'll save in taxes.

For a family with a combined income of $20,000 and two children it would save you $2148 in tax rebates. Pretty impressive huh?

On the other hand, if you make $60,000 and have two children, you save less than half of that.

With no children, you save practically NOTHING.

Those with middle or higher incomes and those with no children will NOT save enough money to offset the carbon tax.

I'm all about progressive tax brackets, but what I'm seeing here is just another Liberal tax and spend plan looking to take from the 'haves' and give to the 'have nots'.

Personally, I have no interest whatsoever in supporting a 25 year old single mother with 4 kids. None at all.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Moonbox