Putin Listens to his Toaster

[PoliticalCitizen]

A big part of the world is made up of uneducated, unsophisticated, backwards dullards and goat herders who think mirrors are magical devices.

The horrendous lack of sophistication of the Russian people is a prime example. They are one of the world's last great peasant populations.

LOL

You sound like the embodyment of the stereotype American: ignorant, insolent, arrogant, and proud.

There are lies being told by both sides, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

I may sound devote pro-Russian but I am not. I am pro-balance. I am Canadian and hope my country (Canada) will grow up and get its own political voice, not just bark at the command of the master.

US has definitely done and continues to do GOOD to the world, which by far outweighs the BAD and the UGLY it has done so far.

But if you respect your citizens - tell them you screwed up when you do BAD, don't try calling it GOOD or you'll be called on it.

When one of your allies does something UGLY - don't call it GOOD.

Russia has done a lot more UGLY than US, especially to its own people. But in the Caucasus region it has definitely done more GOOD than BAD.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Do you know what you are talking about? Are you trying to say that America's or Canada's obession with celebrities is a conspiracy to distract people from the news and real issue?

It is noted that usually people care about politics in poorer countries... with no big-screen TVs what can be better than than talk to your neighbor about how both of you are smarter then the world leaders

[GostHacked]

Do you know what you are talking about? Are you trying to say that America's or Canada's obession with celebrities is a conspiracy to distract people from the news and real issue?

Consider your magazine/paper rack at the grocery or corner store. What do you see more? Newspapers, or celebrity gossip stuff like, the Inquirerer and the Star and other 'celebrity people' magazines. People are easily distracted these days. ADHD is part of the society. Hey what is going on in Iraq? Screw that, Brittney is in the news again!!! OMG.

The population is obsessed with it, because basicly we are shown that we are obsessed with it. Also, among people you know, what do you talk about most? Do you talk politics and/or worlds affairs? Or do you talk about the latest episode of whatever show is popular.

Not to mention the MSM and companies/corporations treats you all as consumers and not customers. And since people are easily distracted, it can allow a corrupt entity like a government to do really bad things without you being aware of it.

Consider how easy it was to promote the WMD idea about Iraq. This proves how the population can be influenced with slick words and a promise for something better, when the opposite is actually the truth.

[Argus]

LOL

You sound like the embodyment of the stereotype American: ignorant, insolent, arrogant, and proud.

There are lies being told by both sides, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Sometimes, and sometimes it is far over to one side.

I may sound devote pro-Russian but I am not. I am pro-balance. I am Canadian and hope my country (Canada) will grow up and get its own political voice, not just bark at the command of the master.

You are most definitely not a Canadian. You might have gotten in here due to our crappy, undiscriminating immigration and refugee system, and you might have a piece of paper with the word "Canada" on it, but you are no more a Canadian than any other Russian. You are the embodiment of what I hate about immigration, of how it brings into Canada legions of backward rubes from third world shitholes and then calls them "Canadian".

Sorry, but I have higher standards than that.

[myata]

And when that happens ("bread and circuses" as the main topic dominating popular psyche), we know that the demise won't be far around the corner. In historic terms that is, we should be OK rolling on for a few more decades.

[PoliticalCitizen]

You are most definitely not a Canadian.

I am more Canadian than you - fluent in both English and French

Besides, I may have been in Canada for longer than you are alive

You might have gotten in here due to our crappy, undiscriminating immigration and refugee system...

Thank god for that

... immigration ... brings into Canada legions of backward rubes from third world shitholes and then calls them "Canadian".

Here I have to agree with you for the first time. Some of these new Canadians don't speak and don't care to learn English (or French). Others drive and behave like their back in their homeland - with no respect to people arond them. Some are racist, some are supremacist... Oh boy... But that's a different topic.

[guyser]

You might have gotten in here due to our crappy, undiscriminating immigration and refugee system, and you might have a piece of paper with the word "Canada" on it, but you are no more a Canadian than any other

They let your relatives in. What does that say now?

Anyone with a piece of paper that says "Canadian Citizen" on it is exactly that.

[bush_cheney2004]

Anyone with a piece of paper that says "Canadian Citizen" on it is exactly that.

Canadians have such papers to prove citizenship? That is scary...in Amerika I don't need such papers, just birth certificate and attitude.

[AngusThermopyle]

Canadians have such papers to prove citizenship?

Not when I received my Citizenship back in the 70's. You got a laminated card, maybe they do now though, not that its important really.

[guyser]

Canadians have such papers to prove citizenship? That is scary...in Amerika I don't need such papers, just birth certificate and attitude.

ya Gots me.

EDIT: Any non natural born is issued the papers upon completion of swearing in as a CDN citizen.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Not when I received my Citizenship back in the 70's. You got a laminated card, maybe they do now though, not that its important really.

I got a laminated card in the early 90's

[PoliticalCitizen]

Canadians have such papers to prove citizenship? That is scary...in Amerika I don't need such papers, just birth certificate and attitude.

Does Gov. Schwarzennegger have these?

Aaahhh, if he could only run for President...

[PoliticalCitizen]

Back to the topic (for those who care).

Here's what Putin said about the history of the Caucasus region in the CNN interview but what didn't make it into western press (my translation):

"I want to remind you that all of these countries joined the Russian Empire by free will, each at their own time. The first was Ossetia in 1745-1747. Back then South and North Ossetia were one state.

In 1801, if memory serves me right, Georgia decided to become part of Russia, being under pressure from Ottoman Empire.

Only after 12 years, in 1812 Abkhazia joined Russian Empire. Before that it was an independent state.

In the middle of XIX'th century there was a decision to give South Ossetia to Tifliss region (gubernia). This way, within the same country it wasn't considered very important. But I can assure you that the next years have shown that Ossetians did not like it at all. De-facto they were given by the Tsarist power under the jurisdiction of Georgia.

When after the first World War the Russian Empire became undone, Georgia proclaimed creation of its own state, but Ossetia chose to remain within Russia, and this was immediately after the eveniments of 1917.

In 1918 because of the above Georgia conducted a military punitive action there (in Ossetia), very harsh, and in 1921 repeated it.

When the Soviet Union was formed, by a Stalin's decree these territories (Ossetia and Abkhazia) were permanently assigned to Georgia. Stalin, as we all know, was Georgian by nationality.

So all those who are insisting that these territories should belong to Georgia - stalinists - they are defending a decision of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin."

[PoliticalCitizen]

New development - Putin's interview with German ARD:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idU...0080830?sp=true

"We know there were a lot of U.S. advisers (in Georgia) ... but instructors, teachers and personnel for military weapons should be on firing ranges and in the teaching centers -- but where were they? They were in the zone of military operations.

"And that pushes one to the conclusion that the leadership of the United States knew about the action that was being prepared and moreover probably took part in it," Putin said.

"If the leadership of the United States had sanctioned that, then I have the suspicion that it was done specially to organise a small, victorious war," he said.

"And if it didn't work, then to create from Russia the appearance of an enemy and on that ground unite the electorate around one presidential candidate, of course the ruling party."

Putin did not name Republican candidate John McCain.

"In a significant way the crisis was provoked, including by our American friends in the course of the election struggle.

"This was the use of administrative resources in a deplorable way to provide advantage to one of the candidates, in the current case from the ruling party," said Putin, who stepped down as president in May after eight years in office.

The West is considering what steps to take against Russia, which has great leverage over the European Union as the supplier of much of its oil and gas. Putin warned European states they should stop taking orders from the White House.

"If European states want to serve the foreign policy interests of the USA, then, in my opinion, they will gain nothing from this," he said.

"A country -- in the current case Russia -- which can stand up for the honor and dignity of its citizens, defend their lives ... will not be isolated, despite the bloc-like thinking of our partners in Europe or in the United States."

"The world doesn't end with Europe or the United States."

This is not ALL he said, but much more than CNN gave you.

Among other things he said that he believes European countries servicing US foreign interests are losing their international reputation and gaining nothing.

[M.Dancer]

Consider your magazine/paper rack at the grocery or corner store. What do you see more? Newspapers, or celebrity gossip stuff like, the Inquirerer and the Star and other 'celebrity people' magazines. People are easily distracted these days. ADHD is part of the society. Hey what is going on in Iraq? Screw that, Brittney is in the news again!!! OMG.

The population is obsessed with it, because basicly we are shown that we are obsessed with it. Also, among people you know, what do you talk about most? Do you talk politics and/or worlds affairs? Or do you talk about the latest episode of whatever show is popular.

Not to mention the MSM and companies/corporations treats you all as consumers and not customers. And since people are easily distracted, it can allow a corrupt entity like a government to do really bad things without you being aware of it.

Consider how easy it was to promote the WMD idea about Iraq. This proves how the population can be influenced with slick words and a promise for something better, when the opposite is actually the truth.

Get back to me when you are feeling coherent.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Consider how easy it was to promote the WMD idea about Iraq. This proves how the population can be influenced with slick words and a promise for something better, when the opposite is actually the truth.

Of course it was easy.....even the war's detractors said the US gave them to Saddam. Lots of Americans didn't give a damn either way...Saddam was on our list for over a dozen years....and that was that.

Maybe the CRTC can do more to protect the Canadian public from American "propaganda".

[PoliticalCitizen]

Of course it was easy.....even the war's detractors said the US gave them to Saddam. Lots of Americans didn't give a damn either way...Saddam was on our list for over a dozen years....and that was that.

Maybe the CRTC can do more to protect the Canadian public from American "propaganda".

At the moment, BC, it appears they have Propaganda Amplifiers and Reason Suppressors installed.

CBC's coverage was THE worst I read...

[bush_cheney2004]

At the moment, BC, it appears they have Propaganda Amplifiers and Reason Suppressors installed.

CBC's coverage was THE worst I read...

That's OK...Canada made itself IRRELEVANT in the matter, completely marginalized by the reality of existing commitments to NATO and economic survival. France and Germany could protest mightily, but not Canada, which had to sit on the fence with a wink and a nod to "unilateral action" in Iraq.

The CBC just did what they always do, providing the Canadian public with the pablum that was consistent with fence sitting, just like it did during the Vietnam War, even as Canada made billions in war materials.

[PoliticalCitizen]

That's OK...Canada made itself IRRELEVANT in the matter, completely marginalized by the reality of existing commitments to NATO and economic survival. France and Germany could protest mightily, but not Canada, which had to sit on the fence with a wink and a nod to "unilateral action" in Iraq.

The CBC just did what they always do, providing the Canadian public with the pablum that was consistent with fence sitting, just like it did during the Vietnam War, even as Canada made billions in war materials.

I fully agree with you here.

But that doesn't mean I like it.

Give it a few decades and the immigrant MAJORITY of the big cities will make itself heard

[PoliticalCitizen]

Latest development - Putin said there will be a response to NATO concentrating warships in the Black Sea.

When asked: "What the response will be?" he just said: "You'll see..."

Also Medvedev confirmed that Russia is planning a response to the anti-missle defense in Czechia - Poland.

He said that Russia has already let NATO advance far enough without an adequate response, based on "good will" attitude... not anymore.

[DogOnPorch]

Latest development - Putin said there will be a response to NATO concentrating warships in the Black Sea.

When asked: "What the response will be?" he just said: "You'll see..."

Also Medvedev confirmed that Russia is planning a response to the anti-missle defense in Czechia - Poland.

He said that Russia has already let NATO advance far enough without an adequate response, based on "good will" attitude... not anymore.

Shame. I'll kinda miss Russia.

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[Sulaco]

The Russian response should be amusingly inept. The resulting depression in Mother Russia will be less amusing, but fun to watch nontheless.

[AngusThermopyle]

When asked: "What the response will be?" he just said: "You'll see..."

It almost sounds like the silly buggers are spoiling for a war. Not exactly the picture of Mother Russia that some would like to spin.

[PoliticalCitizen]

To answer all the smart-ass comments above:

I think I have an idea what Putin was hinting at - blocking NATO transit routes via Russian land to Afghanistan.

Oh - the arrival of Dick C. and the 6th Fleet's MOCC into Georgia doesn't help the loving feelings...

[Kaisa]

To answer all the smart-ass comments above:

I think I have an idea what Putin was hinting at - blocking NATO transit routes via Russian land to Afghanistan.

Oh - the arrival of Dick C. and the 6th Fleet's MOCC into Georgia doesn't help the loving feelings...

Sure, from chicken export ban to NATO transit route blockage, you have all the trumps, poor west.