Leafless Posted July 13, 2008 Report Posted July 13, 2008 Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes excluding Russia from the Group of Eight industrial nations, as suggested by Republican rival John McCain, saying Moscow's cooperation was needed in the fight against nuclear proliferation. McCain has said he would push for Russia's removal from the G8 as punishment for rolling back political freedoms. http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN12381560 Looks like Obama is beginning to show his true socialist stripes. Putin rolling back civil rights, warns Amnesty· Russians 'losing freedoms under new laws'· Human rights activists targeted, say critics President Vladimir Putin has presided over a major "roll-back" of civil rights in Russia, which has seen freedom of expression, assembly and association seriously curtailed, Amnesty International warned yesterday. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/2...sia.humanrights Freedom of expression curtailed. This sounds vaguely familiar. Anyway, we all know who is a major ally of Iran. Mc.Cain is right and Obama is wrong. Quote
maldon_road Posted July 13, 2008 Report Posted July 13, 2008 The G8 has become pretty irrelevant. It doesn't include China or India. Maybe now is the time to disband it. Nothing useful at all came out of their latest meeting. Quote If the men do not die well it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it.
BC_chick Posted July 13, 2008 Report Posted July 13, 2008 Don't worry, he'll probably change his mind once he sees that he's chosen the unpopular choice... like he did with NAFTA, pulling out of Iraq pronto, giving Jerusalem to Israel, and just about everything else he had convictions on. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2008 Report Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) The G8 has become pretty irrelevant. It doesn't include China or India. Maybe now is the time to disband it. Nothing useful at all came out of their latest meeting. I agree....Canada was allowed to join back in the 70's only because of Helmut Schmidt and Gerald Ford, not because of a great economy (which would later teeter on insolvency). Edited July 13, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
peter_puck Posted July 13, 2008 Report Posted July 13, 2008 http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN12381560 Looks like Obama is beginning to show his true socialist stripes. What does Obama's position on Russia and the G8 have to do with socialism ? Last I heard Russia is no longer communist. China, on the other hand, is still communist, and it was Bush that let them into the WTO (which again proves he is the dumbest thing ever let into public office) Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 13, 2008 Report Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) What does Obama's position on Russia and the G8 have to do with socialism ? Last I heard Russia is no longer communist. Good point...Canada is socialist and was still admitted. China, on the other hand, is still communist, and it was Bush that let them into the WTO (which again proves he is the dumbest thing ever let into public office) Actually, it started during the Clinton administration....we get to vote for the president....you don't. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar....dumb too? Former US President Bill Clinton Thursday urged China's quick entry into the World Trade Organization when delivering a speech to some 700 business leaders at the concluding meeting of the 2001 Fortune Global Forum in Hong Kong. Edited July 13, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted July 14, 2008 Report Posted July 14, 2008 Good point...Canada is socialist and was still admitted. You can say or think whatever you want, it doesn't make it true. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2008 Report Posted July 14, 2008 You can say or think whatever you want, it doesn't make it true. Thank you comrade.....that's mighty white of you. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 16, 2008 Report Posted July 16, 2008 Good point...Canada is socialist and was still admitted. ...and in your backyard.............? Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 What exactly would banning Russia from the G8 accomplish other than isolating them even more & pissing them off for a rather mundane reason? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 What exactly would banning Russia from the G8 accomplish other than isolating them even more & pissing them off for a rather mundane reason? Oh...I don't know...maybe make them think twice about cutting off natural gas supplies to Georgia in the middle of winter? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 Good point...Canada is socialist and was still admitted. If Canada is socialist then so is the U.S. Food stamps and Social Security anyone? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 If Canada is socialist then so is the U.S. Food stamps and Social Security anyone? See CCF, NDP, and Regina Manifesto. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 See CCF, NDP, and Regina Manifesto. So you agree then . Good.Just wanted to clear up your confusion. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 So you agree then . Good.Just wanted to clear up your confusion. Good...because that is important to you (but not anyone else). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 Good...because that is important to you (but not anyone else). NO no, its just that myths need not be perpetuated.Thats is all. Quote
obsidian Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) Putin rolling back civil rights, warns Amnesty· Russians 'losing freedoms under new laws' · Human rights activists targeted, say critics President Vladimir Putin has presided over a major "roll-back" of civil rights in Russia, which has seen freedom of expression, assembly and association seriously curtailed, Amnesty International warned yesterday. how is what Russia's doing any different than what the USA is doing with domestic spying, suspension of habeas corpus, & torturing. They may be different acts ie. outlawing freedom of assembly, but the US more than makes up for it by compiling databases of all the personal info they can acquire on people who excersise their freedom of speech or assembly. Even wearing a shirt that says "freedom of expression", "don't drink and drive", and "Veritas(truth)" in Amerika can get you suspended for a day, and a year if the behaviour is repeated. "We can't discuss children and their issue," he said. "It's a matter of privacy and protection of their rights.", says the principal in a non-ironic fashion... "I think it's silly that we can't practice the freedoms that they teach us here," Smith said. "You would think that school officials would have respect for the law and people's rights, or at least they should." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411032/posts students have also been expelled in the United States for anti-war protests http://whitneymcferron.com/category/high-school-censorship/ Amerika is now know as a "endemic surveillance society". Edited July 24, 2008 by obsidian Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 NO no, its just that myths need not be perpetuated.Thats is all. Huh? Then we wouldn't have any myths? You wanna kill Santa Claus too? Besides, Tommy Douglas 'ain't no myth. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 how is what Russia's doing any different than what the USA is doing with domestic spying, suspension of habeas corpus, & torturing. I think you have answered your own question (see below), but some people like drama. They may be different acts ie. outlawing freedom of assembly, but the US more than makes up for it by compiling databases of all the personal info they can acquire on people who excersise their freedom of speech or assembly. Really? Is that anything like the databases compiled by Proctor and Gamble for rebate customers? Even wearing a shirt that says "freedom of expression", "don't drink and drive", and "Veritas(truth)" in Amerika can get you suspended for a day, and a year if the behaviour is repeated. So can spitting on the floor...so what? Amerika is now know as a "endemic surveillance society". No, it's still known as America, the society you surveil the most. Welcome to the club. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 Not to derail this thread.... but in terms of surveilance. Britian has more CCTV cameras per capita than anywhere else on the planet. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 Not to derail this thread.... but in terms of surveilance. Britian has more CCTV cameras per capita than anywhere else on the planet. True, but there is more jiggle in bashing the Americans. Britian is just where the Queen of Canada resides. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 True, but there is more jiggle in bashing the Americans. Britian is just where the Queen of Canada resides. Yep, you could not resist taking a hit on Canada. Thought you would be nice for a moment or two. Anyways back to the topic ... which I don't know much about. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 Yep, you could not resist taking a hit on Canada. Thought you would be nice for a moment or two.Anyways back to the topic ... which I don't know much about. Not a hit on Canada at all...just delicious irony based on your off-topic observation. Carry on.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 Not a hit on Canada at all...just delicious irony based on your off-topic observation. Carry on.... You sure that is irony? Carry on.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 24, 2008 Report Posted July 24, 2008 You sure that is irony? Carry on.... Yes....I hear that the Queen loves to watch the videocam feeds while dining on fish 'n chips. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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