Obama Clinches Nomination; First Black Candidate to Lead a Major Party

[Leafless]

Senator Barack Obama claimed the Democratic presidential nomination on Tuesday evening, prevailing through an epic battle with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in a primary campaign that inspired millions of voters from every corner of America to demand change in Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/polit...ampaign.html?hp

Pandora's box has now been officially opened.

[bush_cheney2004]

Pandora's box has now been officially opened.

Or as you posted in another thread:

"Hey, not bad for a Black guy."

[Guest American Woman]

Obama hasn't "clinched" the nomination yet; his "claiming" the nomination doesn't mean he has it. Only when the Democratic Convention gives him the nomination will he have clinched it.

[Leafless]

Obama hasn't "clinched" the nomination yet; his "claiming" the nomination doesn't mean he has it. Only when the Democratic Convention gives him the nomination will he have clinched it.

Like I said, Pandora's box has now been officially opened.

[maldon_road]

Senator Barack Obama claimed the Democratic presidential nomination on Tuesday evening, prevailing through an epic battle with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in a primary campaign that inspired millions of voters from every corner of America to demand change in Washington.

Best comment last night about whether Hilly could become the VP nominee - "With Senator Clinton you would get a lot of baggage, the biggest being the person she is married to"

[Leafless]

Or as you posted in another thread:

"Hey, not bad for a Black guy."

What the heck B.C., Black guy, White guy, just a hackneyed phrase which I didn't think you would be offended by.

Cheers.

[M.Dancer]

Obama hasn't "clinched" the nomination yet; his "claiming" the nomination doesn't mean he has it. Only when the Democratic Convention gives him the nomination will he have clinched it.

As well, Obama doesn't lead the party....that honour if I am not mistaken goes To Howard (Yeeeehaaaw) Dean.

[Leafless]

Obama hasn't "clinched" the nomination yet; his "claiming" the nomination doesn't mean he has it. Only when the Democratic Convention gives him the nomination will he have clinched it.

If this does mean curtains for Hillary, she just might has well leave politics for good while the going is good.

[GostHacked]

What the heck B.C., Black guy, White guy, just a hackneyed phrase which I didn't think you would be offended by.

Cheers.

Well, I have been a witness to how you have portrayed Obama in other threads. Like the terrorist muslim he isn't. And this is what you really mean by Pandora's Box. His Muslimlessness is still questioned in your mind. So you think the terrorists have won. Or is it because he is black?

On that note, I am surprised to see him get the nomination from the Democratic Party. I really thought Clinton would win. Obama's experience was my only concern, did he have enough? But I guess those delegates saw something in Obama to make him the nominated candidate.

As for chosing Clinton as a VP, it seems almost impossible to battle against someone for so long and have many different views, and then to choose that loser as your running mate. Obama needs someone else on the ticket to beat McCain. With Hillary, he would be giving it to McCain.

American Woman

He got the nomination. He claimed it the night before, because well, he is the nominated leader. They would have told Obama before any of us.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/oba...inee/index.html

[bush_cheney2004]

Neither the Democratic or Republican parties have officially nominated candidates for the election. That process is months away.

[HisSelf]

If this does mean curtains for Hillary, she just might has well leave politics for good while the going is good.

I don't agree with this at all. If anything, she has established herself as a serious player in the national political spectrum. Clinton is going to be a high profile part of whatever political environment emerges from the Bush fiasco.

[Leafless]

Well, I have been a witness to how you have portrayed Obama in other threads. Like the terrorist muslim he isn't. And this is what you really mean by Pandora's Box. His Muslimlessness is still questioned in your mind. So you think the terrorists have won. Or is it because he is black?

Obama opinions vary and my opinions have been in line with MSM.

No where have I painted Obama as a terrorist Muslim but facts do point to Obama as being a Black community activist and is sympathetic to Black Africans/Muslims.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

[Leafless]

I don't agree with this at all. If anything, she has established herself as a serious player in the national political spectrum. Clinton is going to be a high profile part of whatever political environment emerges from the Bush fiasco.

You must mean the 'Democratic fiasco' and I doubt Clinton will emerge as high profile.

If she does, er, back to Pandora's box.

Edited June 4, 2008 by Leafless

[Black Dog]

If she does, er, back to Pandora's box.

I thought it was already open. Make up your mind already.

[GostHacked]

Obama opinions vary and my opinions have been in line with MSM.

No where have I painted Obama as a terrorist Muslim but facts do point to Obama as being a Black community activist and is sympathetic to Black Africans/Muslims.

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Well once you found out the Muslim bit was false, you switched it up to pick on being black. And wow he supports black concerns? Who would have thought that?

So if he was sympathetic to white/christians, would your view change?

BC

Neither the Democratic or Republican parties have officially nominated candidates for the election. That process is months away.

This seems backwards to me. During this time both Dem and Rep can switch up the nominiees? So it's possible that McCain will not be the choice from the Reps? Obama of Dems??

[guyser]

This seems backwards to me. During this time both Dem and Rep can switch up the nominiees? So it's possible that McCain will not be the choice from the Reps? Obama of Dems??

Yup.

Al Gore could announce his candidacy...or another third party person.

[M.Dancer]

BC

This seems backwards to me. During this time both Dem and Rep can switch up the nominiees? So it's possible that McCain will not be the choice from the Reps? Obama of Dems??

Of course it's possible.

He could ....you know...have a heart attack, fall off a cliff, mutter to himself....rail against the jewish/negro/masonic conspiracy...

[bush_cheney2004]

Technically, pledged delegates are not required to vote for their designated candidate, but it is assumed they will do so for at least the first convention ballot. The Democratic Party has more weasel room in this regard, particularly with so called "super delegates".

There must be a mechanism to release delegates in the event of multiple ballots.

Obama did not finish strong, so he is vulnerable to Clinton chicanery at the convention in August.

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman

He got the nomination. He claimed it the night before, because well, he is the nominated leader. They would have told Obama before any of us.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/04/oba...inee/index.html

No he didn't get the nomination. The vote has not been made. Even the article you cited says: On Tuesday, Obama became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee...

So they are presuming he's the Democratic nominee. That does not make him the nominee. He has not yet been nominated by the Democratic Convention, just as I stated. Furthermore, such presumptions have been proven false in the past. link

Edited June 4, 2008 by American Woman

[Leafless]

Well once you found out the Muslim bit was false,

What Muslim bit was false? If i was a U.S. citizen I would not take chances with someone like Obama as president.

My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues.

These statements raise two questions: What is Obama's true connection to Islam and what implications might this have for an Obama presidency?

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286

you switched it up to pick on being black. And wow he supports black concerns? Who would have thought that?

So if he was sympathetic to white/christians, would your view change?

You have hard lessons to learn in life. All minorities are discriminated against, one way or the other, no matter what that minority is.

Culture and religion is volatile.

For a president to be sympathetic to a majority White/Christian culture would be welcomed in U.S.

Not so though, for a president of a minority culture/race to be sympathetic to a minority culture/race in U.S.

There was a war fought over this.

Human nature is human nature.

[bush_cheney2004]

For a president to be sympathetic to a majority White/Christian culture would be welcomed in U.S.

Not so though, for a president of a minority culture/race to be sympathetic to a minority culture/race in U.S.

There was a war fought over this.

You are wrong....the very success of Obama's candidacy is evidence otherwise. The Republican party was largely founded on the abolition of slavery.

[Leafless]

I thought it was already open. Make up your mind already.

Is is open, but with even more unmanageable problems.

[Leafless]

You are wrong....the very success of Obama's candidacy is evidence otherwise. The Republican party was largely founded on the abolition of slavery.

Part success.

Time will tell.

[bush_cheney2004]

Part success.

Time will tell.

As is my custom, why do you care if a "minority" wins? President Obama thinks your PM is a president too!

[Leafless]

As is my custom, why do you care if a "minority" wins? President Obama thinks your PM is a president too!

President Obama?

Perhaps a little to premature.

Relating to the U.S., I don't care, but do care what happened in Canada.

We have a minority French population dictating culture to the majority English culture.

Learn my lesson???

I have.