Khadr judge fired by military

myata · May 30, 2008

Reports went in a number of news outlets, here's The Star story: Khadr's case.

The judge required prosecution to deliver some documents to the defense, and refused to set the date for the trial, till the documents are provided.

Let's see: first we set up a pseudo justice system that doesn't hold to any standards; then, when judge attempts to enforce even those inferior standards, he is dismissed. Does judicial independence mean anything in the world of secret military tribunals?

The latest in the modern democratic justice, coutesy of Bush administration, and ready to go as democratic template for installation (perchance, with persuasion) around the world?

Borg · May 30, 2008

Actually if this keeps that little murderer out of canada a few days longer I am a happy camper.

Now if we could just get rid of his family as well .......

Borg

HisSelf · May 30, 2008

Actually if this keeps that little murderer out of canada a few days longer I am a happy camper.
Now if we could just get rid of his family as well .......

Borg

So he's been convicted has he? The documents which were ordered handed over apparently provide evidence that Khadr may not have killed the army medic in question. My understanding is that he may have been killed by friendly fire.

Edited May 30, 2008 by HisSelf

DogOnPorch · May 30, 2008

So he's been convicted has he? The documents which were ordered handed over apparently provide evidence that Khadr may not have killed the army medic in question. My understanding is that he may have been killed by friendly fire.

Friendly fire?...so the Taliban shot the little rat? :lol:

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HisSelf · May 30, 2008

Friendly fire?...so the Taliban shot the little rat?
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Have you seen the little piggies living piggy lives?

You can see them out for dinner with their piggy wives.

Clutching forks and knives to eat their dinner.

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You must be desperate if you are relying on obfuscation of pronoun references.

DogOnPorch · May 30, 2008

You must be desperate if you are relying on obfuscation of pronoun references.

Hey, it was your foot and your mouth.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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HisSelf · May 30, 2008

Hey, it was your foot and your mouth.

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Anybody wonder why these debates so often descend into acrimony? :rolleyes:

DogOnPorch · May 30, 2008

Anybody wonder why these debates so often descend into acrimony?

Probably from folks using the opposite words to what they actually meant to say.

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myata · May 31, 2008

Anybody wonder why these debates so often descend into acrimony?

Couldn't be for the absolute final irrevocable lack of even a smallest insignificant infinitezimal speck of an idea of a meaningful argument, I'm sure?

DogOnPorch · May 31, 2008

Couldn't be for the absolute final irrevocable lack of even a smallest insignificant infinitezimal speck of an idea of a meaningful argument, I'm sure?

Your curse would be having Obama as President then finding he does worse stuff than Bush. Invades Ireland or Mexico or something...lol. Four more years!

:lol:

Seriously though...why do you even give a rat's azz about the little prick? Justice? Is that your banner? That little f**k's idea of justice is a pistol. Can he stay at your house?

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Wilber · May 31, 2008

Opinions an Khadr aside, it is not good to see a country like the US operating courts in what appears to be such a kangaroo manner. That will end up doing them more harm than someone like Khadr could.

eyeball · May 31, 2008

Opinions an Khadr aside, it is not good to see a country like the US operating courts in what appears to be such a kangaroo manner. That will end up doing them more harm than someone like Khadr could.

This is how a society gets destroyed from within during the process of saving itself.

myata · May 31, 2008

Most certainly, the newly created "democracies" will find these novel practices very encouraging. After all, it's so much alike to what they are used to.. They are becoming just like the big democratic buddy.. a great sign of progress!

eyeball · May 31, 2008

Most certainly, the newly created "democracies" will find these novel practices very encouraging. After all, it's so much alike to what they are used to.. They are becoming just like the big democratic buddy.. a great sign of progress!

Actually, I think the opposite has occured, western leaders are becoming more like the leaders of some of the more questionable countries we've had truck and trade with.

Its just another lap around the race to the bottom.

DogOnPorch · May 31, 2008

Opinions an Khadr aside, it is not good to see a country like the US operating courts in what appears to be such a kangaroo manner. That will end up doing them more harm than someone like Khadr could.

I agree on this point. I just find the equation that since "US = Bad then Khadr must = Good" to be rather dumb. But, any chance to drive a knife into America's guts for some. 'Tis a hobby, me thinks.

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Omar Khadr working with explosives...alleged. Could be mine shaped play-dough, I suppose.

bush_cheney2004 · May 31, 2008

Opinions an Khadr aside, it is not good to see a country like the US operating courts in what appears to be such a kangaroo manner. That will end up doing them more harm than someone like Khadr could.

Do you think your own country (or many others) are above such criticisms? What harm shall befall the USA from this very minor case compared to known "kangaroo" injustices affecting millions over the past 200 years?

Why is the US held to a higher standard?

DogOnPorch · May 31, 2008

Do you think your own country (or many others) are above such criticisms? What harm shall befall the USA from this very minor case compared to known "kangaroo" injustices affecting millions over the past 200 years?
Why is the US held to a higher standard?

I don't. But as the saying goes: It's not the wrong-doing...it's the appearance of wrong-doing. The US does what it has to do these days and all the anti-American types will use it as ammo in propaganda attacks.

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bush_cheney2004 · May 31, 2008

I don't. But as the saying goes: It's not the wrong-doing...it's the appearance of wrong-doing. The US does what it has to do these days and all the anti-American types will use it as ammo in propaganda attacks.

Of course, but as you have indicated, America got to where it is today with many iterations of "good" and "bad". It is the same as it ever was. But if they believed their own propaganda, things like the Khadr case should hardly be noticed, so sure are they of a "fallen" empire.

DogOnPorch · May 31, 2008

I'm a big fan of America and what it stands for...if'n you hadn't already guessed. My family inhabits Washington, Idaho, Montana, New York, Illinois...as well as Alberta and BC...wife grew up in Minnisota and Alaska.

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bush_cheney2004 · May 31, 2008

I'm a big fan of America and what it stands for...if'n you hadn't already guessed. My family inhabits Washington, Idaho, Montana, New York, Illinois...as well as Alberta and BC...wife grew up in Minnisota and Alaska.

Well, as I've posted several times, America cannot live up to somebody else's expectations, but it has lived up to your very objective perspective. On balance, America (and Canada for that matter) have a lot going for them, and judging by the direction of immigrant flow to North America, it's not a big secret.

DogOnPorch · May 31, 2008

Well, as I've posted several times, America cannot live up to somebody else's expectations, but it has lived up to your very objective perspective. On balance, America (and Canada for that matter) have a lot going for them, and judging by the direction of immigrant flow to North America, it's not a big secret.

I like to think I was exposed to the best of America, spending summers on the airshow circut across the Western USA (and Canada). Met lots of folks that seemed to be just like you with similar values and the same sense of humor. What can I say? The beer flows and the BBQ follows...

My wife still says 'ruf' instead of 'roof'...damn Yanks. :lol:

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peter_puck · May 31, 2008

Reports went in a number of news outlets, here's The Star story: Khadr's case.
The judge required prosecution to deliver some documents to the defense, and refused to set the date for the trial, till the documents are provided.

Let's see: first we set up a pseudo justice system that doesn't hold to any standards; then, when judge attempts to enforce even those inferior standards, he is dismissed. Does judicial independence mean anything in the world of secret military tribunals?

The latest in the modern democratic justice, coutesy of Bush administration, and ready to go as democratic template for installation (perchance, with persuasion) around the world?

I think the system needs to more transparent. If the prosecution can fire the judge for makinga ruling he doesn't like you have a problem, but its not clear what happened in this situation.

The bottom line is, however, that you cannot try every Al Queda operative captured in a foreign land as you would a normal citizen. Some murder trials are now running into the millions of dollars. Imagine fighting world war two like that ?

I think the system has to be transparent to prevent abuse, but I think the trials should be as quick and effecient as possible.

DogOnPorch · May 31, 2008

I think the system needs to more transparent. If the prosecution can fire the judge for makinga ruling he doesn't like you have a problem, but its not clear what happened in this situation.
The bottom line is, however, that you cannot try every Al Queda operative captured in a foreign land as you would a normal citizen. Some murder trials are now running into the millions of dollars. Imagine fighting world war two like that ?

I think the system has to be transparent to prevent abuse, but I think the trials should be as quick and effecient as possible.

Well put. I agree.

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HisSelf · May 31, 2008

I think the system has to be transparent to prevent abuse, but I think the trials should be as quick and effecient as possible.

Don't hold your breath. I put forward arguments here dealing with matters of transparency and the Jerry Springer crowd erupted in a spontaeous pimple squeeze.

myata · May 31, 2008

The bottom line is, however, that you cannot try every Al Queda operative captured in a foreign land as you would a normal citizen. Some murder trials are now running into the millions of dollars. Imagine fighting world war two like that ?

Right, we can spend millions trying someone like Bernardo, or Hell's Angels, but just can't afford the same for someone allegedly involved in a crime on much higher scale? Where's the logic in this? Or is just another truth that doesn't need any argumentation?

Exactly for the reason that many look up to somebody dropping these "truths", and follow them blindly, America's edging closer to the very folks they've been trying so hard to destroy. It's them who are running kangaroo courts (or no courts at all); convict not as result of just process, but on belief. This is what they do; not champions of justice and democracy.